Another Couincidence

BigSkinNig · Post by **BigSkinNig** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:30 pm

UCLA running back Manuel White--the Redskins' fourth-round pick at No. 120 overall and an Eddie George devotee in terms of style of play--was on his way to church early Sunday morning when contacted by team officials. from redskins.com

it also said that campbell felt "blessed" to be chosed by the Skins

Wow Gibbs really does scout hard Bench press, 40 times, Wonderilc, and Religon

At least it worked out that we targeted our major needs.....

Hog Heaven · Post by **Hog Heaven** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:37 pm

Religion is a good indication of character

WshSkins22 · Post by **WshSkins22** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:38 pm

yeah thats why we drafted Sean Taylor...I think its a small factor but its not a big issue

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 9:58 pm

Yeah, that is a coincidence. Not very shocking. He was probably praying that he would get drafted. :lol:

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 10:15 pm

Hog Heaven wrote:Religion is a good indication of character

Really? Hitler was religious.

SkinsHead56 · Post by **SkinsHead56** » Sun Apr 24, 2005 11:20 pm

cvillehog wrote:
Hog Heaven wrote:Religion is a good indication of character

Really? Hitler was religious.

bin Laden is pretty religious also.

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 7:34 am

according to the nfl.com; '...hobbies include reading the bible and sleeping...'

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/white_manuel

i guess he won't be out late bar hopping with sean taylor.

Smithian · Post by **Smithian** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 8:12 am

joebag, too bad it was Sean Taylor going to Rod Gardner's party that got him drunk.

BringThePain! · Post by **BringThePain!** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:21 am

you guys are really reaching... I'm sure 85% of NFL players, participate in some kind of religion... every other speech/comment from them is thanking God in some aspect...

Hog Heaven · Post by **Hog Heaven** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:26 am

SkinsHead56 wrote:
cvillehog wrote:
Hog Heaven wrote:Religion is a good indication of character

Really? Hitler was religious.

bin Laden is pretty religious also.

I said it was an indication, not a fool proof method

BernieSki · Post by **BernieSki** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:09 am

Why knock something good?

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:20 am

Hog Heaven wrote:
SkinsHead56 wrote:
cvillehog wrote:
Hog Heaven wrote:Religion is a good indication of character

Really? Hitler was religious.

bin Laden is pretty religious also.

I said it was an indication, not a fool proof method

And I said it's not an indication.

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:53 am

Hog Heaven wrote:Religion is a good indication of character

Really? George W. Bush is religious! :shock:

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 10:54 am

joebagadonuts wrote:according to the nfl.com; '...hobbies include reading the bible and sleeping...'

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/white_manuel

i guess he won't be out late bar hopping with sean taylor.

My roommate on the football team Freshman year said he and all his friends would put "choir boy" type stuff on their bio pages because they thought it was funny...

and it is!

Reading the Bible and sleeping, that cannot be a serious submission.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 11:59 am

Thanking God for a touchdown and actually going to Church and practicing some faith in real life are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. obviously. As for Hitler and bin Laden, mental instability was the driving factor in their zealous acts, religion was just the excuse. Again, I think a pretty obvious observsation.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:09 pm

fleetus wrote:Thanking God for a touchdown and actually going to Church and practicing some faith in real life are TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT THINGS. obviously. As for Hitler and bin Laden, mental instability was the driving factor in their zealous acts, religion was just the excuse. Again, I think a pretty obvious observsation.

The point is that self-professed religious convictions tell little, if anything, about a person's true character. To take it even futher, regular church attendance says little about a persons character as well. You think Jimmy Baker is a better person than me because he goes to church? How about priests who molest young boys, do they have better character than me because they go to church and I don't? Again, I think it's a pretty obvious observation.

C'fieldSkin · Post by **C'fieldSkin** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:11 pm

Hitler was actually an atheist, he just used christianity to manipulate his followers.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:52 pm

C'fieldSkin wrote:Hitler was actually an atheist, he just used christianity to manipulate his followers.

But, did he claim to be religious? Sounds like a perfect case-in-point to me.

C'fieldSkin · Post by **C'fieldSkin** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:21 pm

The comparisons of Hitler and Bin Laden to normal religious people isn't a very good one. Hitler simply tapped into the innate antisemitism that thrived in Europe at the time by giving people a justification for persecuting Jewish people who had been blamed for the defeat of extremely militaristic and prideful country in WWI and the subsequent squalor the country lived in after the war by bastardizing christianity. Abusing something is always bad be it religion or hamburgers, it has a negative. Religion in the manner it is meant to be acted upon is definately a good thing. Living your life the way Jesus actually would have wanted would certainly be good. The abuse of those teachings and ignoring key teachings are the main problems in religion. Bakker certainly abused it. Following a religion doesn't make you any better than anyone else but it can give impetus to improvements in ones own character. As bad as it sounds, not everyone can accomplish self improvement without an infrastructure such as religion.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:38 pm

C'fieldSkin wrote:The comparisons of Hitler and Bin Laden to normal religious people isn't a very good one. Hitler simply tapped into the innate antisemitism that thrived in Europe at the time by giving people a justification for persecuting Jewish people who had been blamed for the defeat of extremely militaristic and prideful country in WWI and the subsequent squalor the country lived in after the war by bastardizing christianity. Abusing something is always bad be it religion or hamburgers, it has a negative. Religion in the manner it is meant to be acted upon is definately a good thing. Living your life the way Jesus actually would have wanted would certainly be good. The abuse of those teachings and ignoring key teachings are the main problems in religion. Bakker certainly abused it. Following a religion doesn't make you any better than anyone else but it can give impetus to improvements in ones own character. As bad as it sounds, not everyone can accomplish self improvement without an infrastructure such as religion.

None of that has anything to do with the matter at hand. The truth is, saying you go to church or read the bible says very little, if anything, about your character. For one thing, as you pointed out, it's very easy to put up a religious front for personal gain. Also, some of the biggest tragedies in the history of man have been perpetrated in the name of some religion or another.

I will say it again, taken alone, the fact that someone reads the bible or goes to church is in no way indicative of their character.

BernieSki · Post by **BernieSki** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:53 pm

Darryl Green openly professed his faith and I have not seen anyone on this site saying he was a bad pick. He helped pull his teams together and was very well respected, stayed out of trouble. It is just a small piece of the puzzel. If a player openly expresses his faith, at the very least he cares how people view him. Weather or not he practices what he preaches is another story.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 1:59 pm

BigSkinNig wrote:UCLA running back Manuel White--the Redskins' fourth-round pick at No. 120 overall and an Eddie George devotee in terms of style of play--was on his way to church early Sunday morning when contacted by team officials. from redskins.com

it also said that campbell felt "blessed" to be chosed by the Skins

Woohoo!!! Another Redeemedskin!!!:up:

At least it worked out that we targeted our major needs.....

You know what they say,"...in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose."

He's probably gonna do just fine. Hopefully he becomes that goal line threat we've been lacking.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:00 pm

BernieSki wrote:Darryl Green openly professed his faith and I have not seen anyone on this site saying he was a bad pick. He helped pull his teams together and was very well respected, stayed out of trouble. It is just a small piece of the puzzel. If a player openly expresses his faith, at the very least he cares how people view him. Weather or not he practices what he preaches is another story.

If you use the search function, you'll find threads where people don't call him a bad pick, but do present evidence that might indicate his being a bad guy.

C'fieldSkin · Post by **C'fieldSkin** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:01 pm

I didn't say that it was indicative of their character, I'm just saying that claiming religion is bad overall as some seem to be doing is an untrue statement. I'm not naive enough to think that saying something makes someone a good person. I realize that it isn't relevant to the entire thread, but I was responding to c'villehog's statements reguarding Hitler and his use of religion.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Apr 25, 2005 2:02 pm

BernieSki wrote:Darryl Green openly professed his faith and I have not seen anyone on this site saying he was a bad pick. He helped pull his teams together and was very well respected, stayed out of trouble. It is just a small piece of the puzzel. If a player openly expresses his faith, at the very least he cares how people view him. Weather or not he practices what he preaches is another story.

Listen, clearly this is hard for you to grasp: someone's stated religious convictions says nothing about their character, good or bad. You said that this guy said he reads the bible, therefore he is clearly a man of great character. I said there is no way to draw that conclusion. I never said we shouldn't have drafted him. I never said he was a bad person. So, leave the strawman at home, and think objectively for a moment.

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