How bout them cowboys

[kkryan]

This should make you guys laugh. Look at the stupid cowboys. They are so pathetic they decided to adopt Snyders free agency plan.

I am so glad we are not being fiscally irresponsible. Things are looking a lot different with Joe in charge. I am disappointed with losing Pierce but he is replacable. In this age of football you have to make hard decisions and I am pleased that management didnt cave in to Pierce's and Smoot's demands.

[Primetime42]

This should make you guys laugh. Look at the stupid cowboys. They are so pathetic they decided to adopt Snyders free agency plan.

I am so glad we are not being fiscally irresponsible. Things are looking a lot different with Joe in charge. I am disappointed with losing Pierce but he is replacable. In this age of football you have to make hard decisions and I am pleased that management didnt cave in to Pierce's and Smoot's demands.

How is it fiscally irresponsible?

How is it Snyder-ish?

Dan Snyder would have given Ferguson a 7 year deal with a $15M+ SB.

He'd have given Henry more than $10M.

We might have overpaid slightly, but those contracts definitely won't be a burden should they underperform.

And here's another thing...unlike most Snyder signings, these guys AREN'T washed up and we WON'T be giving up draft picks for the!!!

[BossHog]

Yeah okay... so the Redskins are always the idiots... we know... at least curveball concedes that you overpaid to have the right to strike first.... which is an exact assessment of what happened. You may not have had any huge transgressions that rival Redskin moves of the past... but that doesn't mean that you were fiscally responsible either.

The Cowboys have money to blow... and today they blew a little more than they needed to, that's all.

... looks like you're trying to butter both sides of the bread to me.

[Primetime42]

Yeah okay... so the Redskins are always the idiots... we know... at least curveball concedes that you overpaid to have the right to strike first.... which is an exact assessment of what happened. You may not have had any huge transgressions that rival Redskin moves of the past... but that doesn't mean that you were fiscally responsible either.

The Cowboys have money to blow... and today they blew a little more than they needed to, that's all.

... looks like you're trying to butter both sides of the bread to me.

1-Didn't call anybody an idiot

2-I also concede we overpaid. But not to an extreme extent; just to get the jump on two guys we had our eyes on, unlike last year

3-That last bold statement is the entire point; THEY DO HAVE MONEY TO BLOW. They finally do and someone has the nerve to compare it to Danny Boy.

Sorry, but that's just irritating.

[redskins56]

This should make you guys laugh. Look at the stupid cowboys. They are so pathetic they decided to adopt Snyders free agency plan.

I am so glad we are not being fiscally irresponsible. Things are looking a lot different with Joe in charge. I am disappointed with losing Pierce but he is replacable. In this age of football you have to make hard decisions and I am pleased that management didnt cave in to Pierce's and Smoot's demands.

How is it fiscally irresponsible?

How is it Snyder-ish?

Dan Snyder would have given Ferguson a 7 year deal with a $15M+ SB.

He'd have given Henry more than $10M.

We might have overpaid slightly, but those contracts definitely won't be a burden should they underperform.

And here's another thing...unlike most Snyder signings, these guys AREN'T washed up and we WON'T be giving up draft picks for the!!!

Good point man. Cornelius Griffin was a stupid signing --- he was washed up. Last year's Skins rep Marcus Washington's just an over the hill punk too. Oh, and Thrash. Why did they welcome back James Thrash, the Skins top special teams performer last year. That was just silly!

Snyder is rediculous, how does he keep his job

The only thing that man is guily of is trying desperately to get the best players available to turn his franchise into a winner. He's a savvy businessman who has already made the Skins worth more than a billion. While most of the team's fans throw him to the wolves I'll praise him, whether or not I am the only one.

Last time I checked he wasn't the one dropping passes, throwing picks, or opting to start Brunell.

[BossHog]

We had $10M to spend... we're always supposed to have none, but we always find some don't we?

They're comparing that you BLEW money... which you just conceded that you did, even if it wasn't to 'an extreme extent'... you're being overly defensive.

Wait til you sign a larger linebacker and have to concede that you're moving to a 3-4.

[Primetime42]

This should make you guys laugh. Look at the stupid cowboys. They are so pathetic they decided to adopt Snyders free agency plan.

I am so glad we are not being fiscally irresponsible. Things are looking a lot different with Joe in charge. I am disappointed with losing Pierce but he is replacable. In this age of football you have to make hard decisions and I am pleased that management didnt cave in to Pierce's and Smoot's demands.

How is it fiscally irresponsible?

How is it Snyder-ish?

Dan Snyder would have given Ferguson a 7 year deal with a $15M+ SB.

He'd have given Henry more than $10M.

We might have overpaid slightly, but those contracts definitely won't be a burden should they underperform.

And here's another thing...unlike most Snyder signings, these guys AREN'T washed up and we WON'T be giving up draft picks for the!!!

Good point man. Cornelius Griffin was a stupid signing --- he was washed up. Last year's Skins rep Marcus Washington's just an over the hill punk too. Oh, and Thrash. Why did they welcome back James Thrash, the Skins top special teams performer last year. That was just silly!

Snyder is rediculous, how does he keep his job

The only thing that man is guily of is trying desperately to get the best players available to turn his franchise into a winner. He's a savvy businessman who has already made the Skins worth more than a billion. While most of the team's fans throw him to the wolves I'll praise him, whether or not I am the only one.

Last time I checked he wasn't the one dropping passes, throwing picks, or opting to start Brunell.

Not that I disagree with those two or three signings but you missed the point. I didn't say all, I said most.

And he still overpaid and will continue to do so.

[Primetime42]

Wait til you sign a larger linebacker and have to concede that you're moving to a 3-4.

I'LL CONCEDE WHEN PARCELLS MAKES THE ANNOUNCEMENT DA....I mean, uh...yes...yes, you're entitled to you r opinion


OK, in all honesty, maybe I'm overreacting. I am in favor of both these signings 1) because they make the team at least 2 games better right off the bat 2) because it didn't murder our bank account (I'm not going all BH with the cap calculations, but I figure Henry makes a little less than 2.5 the first two years and Ferguson around 2 in the same span)

edit:Check that, I just got the schematics for Henry's contract. It's front-loaded. Guess that was the hook. Oh well, still not THAT bad and like I said, the corner market is way too high to begin with.

In the case of Henry, I can say slightly overpaid, but only because the corner market is so dang high. I'm not gonna blame Jones for doing that.

Ferguson is the consensus best DT available.

So yeah, I'll take these two signings to the bank running. And I won't complain about the dollar amount unless they both pull a Mark Brunell/Bruce Smith/Armstead/Trotter.

Sensing a pattern there?

[BossHog]

Continue to do so? We didn't today.

You don't concede that Gibbs is calling the shots. Some of us think he is.

Danny will do what Joe tells him to. If he wasn't... we'd have signed Mason a week ago.

... and that announcement is coming soon...

[redskins56]

I shall end my career on this thread with this...

Have fun watching the game's biggest sitting duck get picked up off of the turf 323 times this season. Man Arrington's going to love coming around the corner and opening up a can on that immoble vet's back...

-Geepz
__________
L.A. Nation!!!

[Primetime42]

I shall end my career on this thread with this...

Have fun watching the game's biggest sitting duck get picked up off of the turf 323 times this season. Man Arrington's going to love coming around the corner and opening up a can on that immoble vet's back...

-Geepz
__________
L.A. Nation!!!

GOTTA love how it always turns to stuff like this

Since you just came at me with the same old tired arguement, I'll reciprocate the favor:

When that "sitting duck" ends up beating your team twice the same way a certain 41-year-old did, what will the excuse be? That the refs screwed Sean Taylor out of a surefire pick? That Smoot got scared of Keyshawn? OOh, I know, it'll be that Julius Jones had special shoes personally given to him by one Paul Tagliabue with the intent to bury the 'Skins!!


Give me a break. Come up with something new. Pray that someday, the Redskins can enjoy a meaningful victory over the Cowboys.

I can feel this thread going to smack aaaaaaaaaany minute now...

[BossHog]

You're telling him to come up with something new?

You're in here talking about Danny boy spending the moon when we did no 'over' spending today... (but the cowboys did). Whatever past transgressions have transpired... they are in the past... and it would seem that right now, you're the one going to a tired old argument too.

And we're adults here. How is 'well he broke a rule first' justification for doing the same? I hope you your the top dog at recess.

You want to start a thread in Smack... be my guest. But obey the rules in the regular forums and don't just expect moderators to move flammatory threads to the Smack forum and everything be just hunky dorey.

[Scottskins]

I shall end my career on this thread with this...

Have fun watching the game's biggest sitting duck get picked up off of the turf 323 times this season. Man Arrington's going to love coming around the corner and opening up a can on that immoble vet's back...

-Geepz
__________
L.A. Nation!!!

GOTTA love how it always turns to stuff like this

Since you just came at me with the same old tired arguement, I'll reciprocate the favor:

When that "sitting duck" ends up beating your team twice the same way a certain 41-year-old did, what will the excuse be? That the refs screwed Sean Taylor out of a surefire pick? That Smoot got scared of Keyshawn? OOh, I know, it'll be that Julius Jones had special shoes personally given to him by one Paul Tagliabue with the intent to bury the 'Skins!!


Give me a break. Come up with something new. Pray that someday, the Redskins can enjoy a meaningful victory over the Cowboys.

I can feel this thread going to smack aaaaaaaaaany minute now...

Well, just to set it straight since as a cowboys fan, you seem to have forgotten already. Yes, the Cowboys beat the redskins twice again. How did they do it? Let's see, the first game the refs gave you a TD when it was obviously offensive PI(everyone I know that saw the play agreed, including the cowboys fans around here) and then didn't call PI against the cowboys when it obsiously WAS PI. It was a 14 point swing which decided the game. We dominated the boys that first game, but the refs took it away. Second game you ask? Again, we had the game in the bag, and Vinny caught the ROOKIE for a hail mary at the end of the game. Another very lucky win.

Now about Keyshawn, Julius and the boys against us.

Keyshawn game 1 1-23 no TDs. Game 2 9-84 no TDs.
Julius game 1 didn't play Game 2 22-57 no TDs.
Cowboys rushing game 1 21-50 1 TD.

Primetime, I know your just defending your boys, and I would expect no less. But, the fact remains, and everyone agreed at the time, the cowboys got lucky both games this last season. We "should" have won both games. It's happened to us a lot in the past as well. There's something to be said for the streak you've had against us, but a some of it was luck. Without even looking at specific games, beating a team as much as the boys have beat us, almost always HAS to include a luck factor. It just doesn't happen like that in the NFL unless your a bottom feeding team who never gets any players and is just trying to make money off a team instead of winning.

Now, more to the point. The redskins were very very close to being a 10 or 11 win team last season. If we had ANY kind of offense, we would have been very good and easily beaten the cowboys both games. Gibbs just made the OLine a whole lot better by signing the best Center available and getting Jansen back next season. Ramsey was playing much better the more games he started. Gibbs will have had another 8 months to figure out his offensive plan.

Do you really think the Skins aren't going to be very good next season? And do you really think the Cowboys will compete with them WITHOUT the luck factor coming into play yet again?

If you were around for Gibbs the first time, you may not understand who he is. I would understand how you don't see what is coming if that were the case. If you were around and don't see it, your lying to yourself. This is Joe Gibbs. He's the master of offense. Many of the things you see done in offenses in the NFL are either what Gibbs started, what Gibbs made famous from his Coryell days, or variations of one of those two. He has a very talented offensive line now, a very talented RB, a great receiving half back and more time to figure it out. This offense will continue to get better and better until it's one of the best. We already know what the defense can do, and it will be better with Arrington back, and some fresh lineman.

Face facts Primetime. It's our turn now. And while I'm not trying to rub it in, I would like to see some honesty from the one Cowboy fan on this board that I DO respect. We've sucked for a long long time now. Gibbs has ended that my friend

[Primetime42]

I shall end my career on this thread with this...

Have fun watching the game's biggest sitting duck get picked up off of the turf 323 times this season. Man Arrington's going to love coming around the corner and opening up a can on that immoble vet's back...

-Geepz
__________
L.A. Nation!!!

GOTTA love how it always turns to stuff like this

Since you just came at me with the same old tired arguement, I'll reciprocate the favor:

When that "sitting duck" ends up beating your team twice the same way a certain 41-year-old did, what will the excuse be? That the refs screwed Sean Taylor out of a surefire pick? That Smoot got scared of Keyshawn? OOh, I know, it'll be that Julius Jones had special shoes personally given to him by one Paul Tagliabue with the intent to bury the 'Skins!!


Give me a break. Come up with something new. Pray that someday, the Redskins can enjoy a meaningful victory over the Cowboys.

I can feel this thread going to smack aaaaaaaaaany minute now...

Well, just to set it straight since as a cowboys fan, you seem to have forgotten already. Yes, the Cowboys beat the redskins twice again. How did they do it? Let's see, the first game the refs gave you a TD when it was obviously offensive PI(everyone I know that saw the play agreed, including the cowboys fans around here) and then didn't call PI against the cowboys when it obsiously WAS PI. It was a 14 point swing which decided the game. We dominated the boys that first game, but the refs took it away. Second game you ask? Again, we had the game in the bag, and Vinny caught the ROOKIE for a hail mary at the end of the game. Another very lucky win.

Now about Keyshawn, Julius and the boys against us.

Keyshawn game 1 1-23 no TDs. Game 2 9-84 no TDs.
Julius game 1 didn't play Game 2 22-57 no TDs.
Cowboys rushing game 1 21-50 1 TD.

Primetime, I know your just defending your boys, and I would expect no less. But, the fact remains, and everyone agreed at the time, the cowboys got lucky both games this last season. We "should" have won both games. It's happened to us a lot in the past as well. There's something to be said for the streak you've had against us, but a some of it was luck. Without even looking at specific games, beating a team as much as the boys have beat us, almost always HAS to include a luck factor. It just doesn't happen like that in the NFL unless your a bottom feeding team who never gets any players and is just trying to make money off a team instead of winning.

Now, more to the point. The redskins were very very close to being a 10 or 11 win team last season. If we had ANY kind of offense, we would have been very good and easily beaten the cowboys both games. Gibbs just made the OLine a whole lot better by signing the best Center available and getting Jansen back next season. Ramsey was playing much better the more games he started. Gibbs will have had another 8 months to figure out his offensive plan.

Do you really think the Skins aren't going to be very good next season? And do you really think the Cowboys will compete with them WITHOUT the luck factor coming into play yet again?

If you were around for Gibbs the first time, you may not understand who he is. I would understand how you don't see what is coming if that were the case. If you were around and don't see it, your lying to yourself. This is Joe Gibbs. He's the master of offense. Many of the things you see done in offenses in the NFL are either what Gibbs started, what Gibbs made famous from his Coryell days, or variations of one of those two. He has a very talented offensive line now, a very talented RB, a great receiving half back and more time to figure it out. This offense will continue to get better and better until it's one of the best. We already know what the defense can do, and it will be better with Arrington back, and some fresh lineman.

Face facts Primetime. It's our turn now. And while I'm not trying to rub it in, I would like to see some honesty from the one Cowboy fan on this board that I DO respect. We've sucked for a long long time now. Gibbs has ended that my friend

Sorry Scott, but I agree to disagree

To paraphrase you, if we had any semblance of a defense and a QB last season, we'd have won 10 or 11 as well.

Woulda, shoulda, coulda.

We've already taken 3 steps to getting those wins, with more to come.

And I DID pay attention during the tail end of the first Gibbs era (I'm too young). No doubting he was great. But until he takes a ragtag team to 10 wins and the playoffs or just takes the Redskins there again period, I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt. The first era was a long time ago.

Again Scott, talk is cheap. Like Herm says "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME", and the Redskins didn't win. End of story. The fact that they "should" have won but didn't makes it even worse, because Dallas was "so bad" this past season. BTW, stop with the ref argument, like I've been saying since Week 3, it goes both ways.

Face it, the entire league is calling both our coaches senile and past their prime, but I know that at least one case is false

Show me something Joe G. I'm looking forward to when the Skins DO win and it actually becomes a serious rivalry again, because for the past 5 years I've looked at the calander and penned (not penciled) in both Redskin games as wins.

Do you really think the Skins aren't going to be very good next season? And do you really think the Cowboys will compete with them WITHOUT the luck factor coming into play yet again?

To be quite frank, heck yes.

And Boss, for the record; I'm bringing up a fact, not an opinion and not a fantasy.

As far as complaining, who's complaining? I'm certainly not. I just felt that up until that comment about Lavar "opening up a can", this thread wasn't all bad. Then that came in and it all went downhill.

But I understand. We revert back to the "You're a Cowboy fan, Burn for it" attitude

[JansenFan]

You're a Cowboy fan, Burn for it

as long as we're clear...

[curveball]

You guys are missing a huge difference in what the Cowboys are doing this year and what the Redskins have historically done.

Both FA signees' contracts are front-loaded. Instead of backloading everything and pushing the situation off for other years (which leads to having to overpay to get one's own players to restructure ala Samuels), Dallas is using the cap space they have this year and next.

It's a unique approach that has the potential to pay huge dividends when it comes time to re-sign it's own young stars like Williams, Witten and Newman.

In essence, Dallas is saying they have a two or three year run to make the Super Bowl. If they don't, there will be ample cap space for the 2007 and 2008 offseasons to attempt to re-tool.

Snyder's always had a win now, the heck with the future mentality.

I guess the closest analogy would be overpaying for something with cash in hand and overpaying for something by kiting checks and juggling credit cards. That can work for awhile, but some day the bill comes due.

[Deadskins]

Wait til you sign a larger linebacker and have to concede that you're moving to a 3-4.

I'LL CONCEDE WHEN PARCELLS MAKES THE ANNOUNCEMENT DA....I mean, uh...yes...yes, you're entitled to you r opinion


OK, in all honesty, maybe I'm overreacting. I am in favor of both these signings 1) because they make the team at least 2 games better right off the bat 2) because it didn't murder our bank account (I'm not going all BH with the cap calculations, but I figure Henry makes a little less than 2.5 the first two years and Ferguson around 2 in the same span)

edit:Check that, I just got the schematics for Henry's contract. It's front-loaded. Guess that was the hook. Oh well, still not THAT bad and like I said, the corner market is way too high to begin with.

In the case of Henry, I can say slightly overpaid, but only because the corner market is so dang high. I'm not gonna blame Jones for doing that.

Ferguson is the consensus best DT available.

So yeah, I'll take these two signings to the bank running. And I won't complain about the dollar amount unless they both pull a Mark Brunell/Bruce Smith/Armstead/Trotter.

Sensing a pattern there?

No. Smith had a couple of good years for us, and Armstead led the team in tackles three years ago, as did Trotter two seasons ago. Now, if you had said Jeff George/Deion Sanders/ Mark Brunell you may have had me!

[Deadskins]

Pray that someday, the Redskins can enjoy a meaningful victory over the Cowboys.

The two most meaningful games between the 'Skins and the 'Pies were both Redskins victories. '72 NFC Championship and the '82 Championship.

BTW, stop with the ref argument, like I've been saying since Week 3, it goes both ways.

He said it went both ways. The Cowboys got away with a flagrant foul on both offense and defense.

[Primetime42]

Pray that someday, the Redskins can enjoy a meaningful victory over the Cowboys.

The two most meaningful games between the 'Skins and the 'Pies were both Redskins victories. '72 NFC Championship and the '82 Championship.

BTW, stop with the ref argument, like I've been saying since Week 3, it goes both ways.

He said it went both ways. The Cowboys got away with a flagrant foul on both offense and defense.

My esteemed congrations on two huge victories for your franchise...that happened before I was even a twinkle in my daddy's eye

Seriously though, do I have to bring up 1989?

And flagrant fouls happen in basketball.

And Portis got away with one and so did Brunell. You know what I'm talking about.

Honestly, the whole argument is tired...I'm more than willing to drop it or just take it to a PM state.

Or we can just agree to disagree, group hug, and pop a couple of beers....



















and bash each other over the head with the bottles

[Fios]

What does the word "congrations" mean?
No, I have no idea what the Brunell and Portis alleged non-calls are in reference to and, assuming they do exist, a) the Cowboys won both games, so they hold no merit (again, assuming they happened) and b) they did not earn the Cowboys an apology from the NFL, as the PI call did for the Redskins.

[Deadskins]

What does the word "congrations" mean?
No, I have no idea what the Brunell and Portis alleged non-calls are in reference to and, assuming they do exist, a) the Cowboys won both games, so they hold no merit (again, assuming they happened) and b) they did not earn the Cowboys an apology from the NFL, as the PI call did for the Redskins.

I also don't know what he is referring to with the Portis/Brunell stuff, but my comment was an attempt at a joke that apparently went straight over his head. The first comment was to show him that if he looked at the rivalry with clear eyes, he might hope that the Cowboys could someday enjoy a MEANINGFUL victory over the Redskins, not vice versa. BTW, I love the ATHF avatar.

[tcwest10]

"Congrations" are a kind of a thing that are also "esteemed."
Didn't you know ?

[Washingtons#1fan]

The Redskins this off-season are making all of the good moves.

1. Not spending to much money- unlike the Cowpukes

2.Waiting to sign people- unlike the cowpukes

3.signing good players- unlike cowpukes

i'm also seeing a pattern

Cowboys will suck again with Bledsoe as Qb

Newman is way overated

Lost one of your best Safeties

Julius Jones is overated

Plus the cowboys will NOT win 10 or 11 games this year, they will be luckey to reach 7.

One more fact

Parcells goes out and signs a old QB in vinny

This year goes out a gets a old QB in Bledsoe

Hints- they wil not make the playoffs.

This is for primetime whatever his stupid cowgirl name is.

[Primetime42]

The Redskins this off-season are making all of the good moves.

What other than FINALLY getting Samuels to renegotiate?

1. Not spending to much money- unlike the Cowpukes

They've saved up the past 2 offseasons for this spending spree. It's NOT going to be a yearly occurence like we've become accustomed to in DC

2.Waiting to sign people- unlike the cowpukes

Waiting to sign people bit Dallas in the butt those last two offseasons. The main reason they're spending NOW.

3.signing good players- unlike cowpukes

Sorry buddy, in the span of 1-1/2 weeks, they've signed 4(count 'em) FOUR players who make the team at least 2 games better.

Cowboys will suck again with Bledsoe as Qb

As long as they continue fixing the O-Line, I won't be worried about him. Once again, if a 41 year old can beat the Redskins, he can.

Newman is way overated

Sure he is

Lost one of your best Safeties

He didn't play last season anyway, genius.

Julius Jones is overated

Hard to label a guy everyone was down on and only played 8 games to gain almost 900 yards as "overrated"

Plus the cowboys will NOT win 10 or 11 games this year, they will be luckey to reach 7.

Maybe the Skins will

One more fact

Parcells goes out and signs a old QB in vinny

With the Intent to make him a BACKUP. He didn't anticipate Carter flaming out on him.

This year goes out a gets a old QB in Bledsoe

33 ain't a dinosaur. Plus unlike YOUR old QB, he didn't make his living relying on scrambling and a WCO.

Hints- they wil not make the playoffs.

Sig line bet?

This is for primetime whatever his stupid cowgirl name is.

So much for taking the high road and being civil


Hey BossHog....HE STARTED IT

[BossHog]

So your first sentence is that we haven't done anything in FA and your second sentence is that spending sprees are the norm in DC when you just conceded that we hadn't done anything yet?

You always think you're making some good point but really all you ever do is try and butter both sides of the bread.

You're a walking contradiction... pure CowboySpeak.

Why don't you go moan about Redskin fans somewhere other than a Redskin board... your shtick is getting really, really, really old. Even broken records skip every now and again.