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Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:53 pm
by SkinsJock
I'm V high on Scot but I agree, he's not infallible, he's going to make mistakes - it just seems that this franchise has evolved a lot under his leadership - at the same time, I'm sure it's not all him either, he has a lot of help from this FO - I'm looking forward to seeing what happens this season - we're not as close to being a good team as some here think, but I do like what we have seen so far - most of the credit for that is due to Scot's influence - the attitude change, on and off the field, is HUUUGE
In Scot we trust
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:30 pm
by DarthMonk
Actually trading OUT of the 1st round is unlikely. Trading back to a few spots later in the 1st round makes more sense. If we actually trade out if the 1st round it would likely be for a very early 2nd rounder + more picks or for a better 1st rounder in the future ... + more picks.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:08 pm
by Irn-Bru
Watching the press conference for Norman, I was relieved (but not surprised) to hear McCloughan say explicitly that signing Norman will have zero impact on how we do the draft, and that he would "love" (his word) to draft a CB at 21 if it was the best player on the board.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:24 pm
by riggofan
Irn-Bru wrote:Watching the press conference for Norman, I was relieved (but not surprised) to hear McCloughan say explicitly that signing Norman will have zero impact on how we do the draft, and that he would "love" (his word) to draft a CB at 21 if it was the best player on the board.
Yeah. He said repeatedly that you can never have enough players at CB, QB, etc; Keeping the cupboards full to begin with instead of trying to draft for need. Kind of a novel approach.
Saw your comments on Norman in the other thread. One thing I've always respected about Synder was his willingness to pay and get these deals done. If we've finally linked that up with a smart guy who knows when to open up the checkbook and when not to, we might be back in business.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 6:25 pm
by Prowl33
Anyone got a link to the full Mccloughan and norman interviews? The skins haven't updated their YouTube page for months
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:33 pm
by Irn-Bru
Prowl33 wrote:Anyone got a link to the full Mccloughan and norman interviews? The skins haven't updated their YouTube page for months
I don't whether it's actually the whole thing, but the clips on Redskins.com are pretty substantial. That's where I watched it.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:06 am
by OldSchool
I hope the Norman acquisition is totally a SM decision and not a DS move that SM "had" to go along with. I am trying to suppress the paranoid thought that Snyder got emotionally involved in getting Norman because as we all know going all out for with a big FA difference maker is classic Snyder.
A rational owner would be even more disposed in 2016 to give SM and JG greater freedom to run the team after their success last year then in 2015 but the Skins are owned by Snyder. Snyder fired Marty after Marty won 6 of the last 8 games and looked like the team had been largely transformed into successfully playing Marty Ball in just 1 season. A Snyder inner circle member recently explained that Dan fired Marty because Marty took control and it wasn't fun with Marty in charge. Snyder wasn't able to suppress his need control things and act on his impulses then. This major splash beat out other franchises fits the pattern of previous Snyder moves as opposed to the low key incremental improvement style of SM.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:26 am
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote:Actually trading OUT of the 1st round is unlikely. Trading back to a few spots later in the 1st round makes more sense. If we actually trade out if the 1st round it would likely be for a very early 2nd rounder + more picks or for a better 1st rounder in the future ... + more picks.
DM - I also doubt that we trade the 21 pick unless a really good player falls to 21 AND some FO decides to make a STUPID trade offer
I do understand the thinking that we should not pass on a really good player but there have been some stupid trades made already and there's no way we should pass on that opportunity - I do agree that it's a long shot but look at what the Rams and Eagles did, ostensibly for players that some do not rank very highly at all
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:34 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:DarthMonk wrote:Actually trading OUT of the 1st round is unlikely. Trading back to a few spots later in the 1st round makes more sense. If we actually trade out if the 1st round it would likely be for a very early 2nd rounder + more picks or for a better 1st rounder in the future ... + more picks.
DM - I also doubt that we trade the 21 pick unless a really good player falls to 21 AND some FO decides to make a STUPID trade offer
I don't think that's what DM is suggesting. We can trade back a few spots in the 1st round without a stupid trade offer. Maybe Paxton Lynch is available at 21 and the Cardinals want to move up from 29 to get him. Shouldn't take a ridiculous offer to make that happen.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:10 am
by DarthMonk
riggofan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:DarthMonk wrote:Actually trading OUT of the 1st round is unlikely. Trading back to a few spots later in the 1st round makes more sense. If we actually trade out if the 1st round it would likely be for a very early 2nd rounder + more picks or for a better 1st rounder in the future ... + more picks.
DM - I also doubt that we trade the 21 pick unless a really good player falls to 21 AND some FO decides to make a STUPID trade offer
I don't think that's what DM is suggesting. We can trade back a few spots in the 1st round without a stupid trade offer. Maybe Paxton Lynch is available at 21 and the Cardinals want to move up from 29 to get him. Shouldn't take a ridiculous offer to make that happen.
Exactly. Someone right behind us may covet someone who fell further than expected and could trade up to 21 to guarantee their pick. Then we slide back a few spots, get our guy anyway, and pick up an extra pick in the process = everybody's happy.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:29 am
by SkinsJock
I can understand trading down a few spots for an extra pick but ... there's a big difference between what we'd get for a Paxton Lynch and a top 10 talent - in that case we take the player unless we get a great 'offer'
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:45 pm
by SkinsJock
I like how the mock draft guys are 'speculating' about the Redskins pick and almost always the pick is because we have a need at that position
that is how many franchise will make their decision but it will not be what this FO will do - we're taking the best player available, just like they did in the last draft - you cannot have enough good football players
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:30 pm
by DarthMonk
OldSchool wrote:I hope the Norman acquisition is totally a SM decision and not a DS move that SM "had" to go along with. I am trying to suppress the paranoid thought that Snyder got emotionally involved in getting Norman because as we all know going all out for with a big FA difference maker is classic Snyder.
A rational owner would be even more disposed in 2016 to give SM and JG greater freedom to run the team after their success last year then in 2015 but the Skins are owned by Snyder. Snyder fired Marty after Marty won 6 of the last 8 games and looked like the team had been largely transformed into successfully playing Marty Ball in just 1 season. A Snyder inner circle member recently explained that Dan fired Marty because Marty took control and it wasn't fun with Marty in charge. Snyder wasn't able to suppress his need control things and act on his impulses then. This major splash beat out other franchises fits the pattern of previous Snyder moves as opposed to the low key incremental improvement style of SM.
Mike Jones wrote:On the surface, it has the feeling of a classic splash acquisition by Redskins owner Dan Snyder ...
The way things work ... McCloughan makes the final call on which players to pursue ... Snyder, meanwhile, is kept abreast of plans ... but no longer is a key member of discussion meetings.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:15 pm
by SkinsJock
We'll all know when Snyder starts meddling - Scot McCloughan will be leaving to get a hefty paycheck elsewhere
right now my money's on Scot being here for 2 more years - then it will be really hard for Snyder to move him out
not impossible but hard
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:40 pm
by Irn-Bru
SkinsJock wrote:I like how the mock draft guys are 'speculating' about the Redskins pick and almost always the pick is because we have a need at that position
That's how practically all mock drafts do their picks. Need plus maybe a cute connection between the player and the team. I have seen only one or two drafts that actually tried to predict where players will go based on where they "should" go judging by talent, skill, physicality, college production, etc.
To be fair, a lot of NFL teams do draft by taking team needs into consideration, often as a near-overriding concern. The Green Bay / Seattle / Washington way of doing things isn't the most common.
that is how many franchise will make their decision but it will not be what this FO will do - we're taking the best player available, just like they did in the last draft - you cannot have enough good football players
I'm confident that we'll continue to take that approach given what Scot's done since he got here.
It's hard for people to grasp this idea that need isn't a factor for the Redskins now. The WaPo's insider just published an article that spent paragraphs on paragraphs talking about how Norman changes the team's approach to the draft. And this from the people who are talking directly to McCloughan and hearing him say it doesn't. How much more are the national media missing out. I basically don't even look at mock drafts now, because I know they won't tell me anything interesting. Instead I focus on the top rated prospects at a bunch of positions.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:03 pm
by OldSchool
Mike Jones wrote:On the surface, it has the feeling of a classic splash acquisition by Redskins owner Dan Snyder ...
The way things work ... McCloughan makes the final call on which players to pursue ... Snyder, meanwhile, is kept abreast of plans ... but no longer is a key member of discussion meetings.
I hope Jones is right but WAPO reporters tend to follow the Redskin line so I can't rely on Jone's judgement. Observant Redskin fans have seen Snyder force the big play so many times before. This big splash FA commitment is out of character for SM and classic DS. The level of commitment dwarfs SM's deals last season.
Norman should be going into the prime of his career so I do hope it is what SM really wanted to do but I have my doubts. Snyder's persistent and destructive history of meddling gives me pause. I will never trust Snyder to let the football people run his franchise so I take SM's public statements with a grain of salt. Synder's leadership have lucrative 7 figure compensation deals, understand they are the hired help and we've seen Snyder's money bend so many others to his will. I don't expect SM to fall on his sword if Dan Snyder goes off the reservation, he'll put a happy face on it like the others did. All I can hope for is Norman becomes a productive mainstay in a better Redskins defense going forward.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:06 pm
by SkinsJock
Thanks FFA - I understand the mock draft deal and that all fans like to think in terms of "resolving issues" by drafting those players
I just don't think that this FO and Scot in particular, focus on anything more than what their research has shown them - as players on their BPA list are taken, they just cross them off the list and when it's our pick, they simply take the best player available
can you imagine some draft guru doing a mock draft and when he gets to the Redskins he just picks the best available player
it works because this FO is committed to it - sure we'll miss out on some but it seems we have some pretty good talent evaluators
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 4:08 pm
by SkinsJock
IF Snyder were still making any decisions RG3 would still be here - he's not and neither is Dan Snyder
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:24 am
by riggofan
Mock drafts are meaningless, but I thought this was an interesting approach. They compiled 40 predictions to come up with a consensus mock draft.
http://www.scout.com/story/1664344-40-n ... o-one?s=71Redskins take:
No. 21 – DT A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama (Washington Redskins)
No complaints from me there!
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:40 am
by SkinsJock
thanks for that - I'd heard about it but had not 'seen' it ...
almost any player from Alabama this year is a good pick - these guys will go early
by putting the 2 QBs at the top, this mock is certainly not BPA however ...
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:46 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:thanks for that - I'd heard about it but had not 'seen' it ...
almost any player from Alabama this year is a good pick - these guys will go early
by putting the 2 QBs at the top, this mock is certainly not BPA however ...
I don't think that's what they calculated. They mashed all of those mocks together and calculated ADP (Average Draft Position). Meaningless of course, but still kind of interesting.
You're dead right about Alabama. I heard the over/under on number of Alabama players expected to go in the first round this year is 3.5.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:38 pm
by SkinsJock
don't get me wrong - I like what they did but they did say "An ADP doesn’t always align with team needs, so the Muncher is more useful as a “best player on the board” ranking than a team-oriented prediction."
I'm taking a lot of players before I take Goff or Wentz - they are not even top 10 in this draft ..
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:39 pm
by oj
Who just voted? Speak up!
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:53 pm
by Irn-Bru
riggofan wrote:Mock drafts are meaningless, but I thought this was an interesting approach. They compiled 40 predictions to come up with a consensus mock draft.
http://www.scout.com/story/1664344-40-n ... o-one?s=71Redskins take:
No. 21 – DT A'Shawn Robinson, Alabama (Washington Redskins)
No complaints from me there!
That's cool. Way more interesting than the typical mock draft.
Re: With the 21st pick.....the Redskins select:
Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:08 pm
by Countertrey
So... Myles Jack still has some nerve deficits from his injury... He is CLEARLY to best linebacker in the draft, likely the best football player in the draft... a bonafide BEAST who is a dominant outside LB, and even has beast attributes as a running back and safety... has legit cover skills, and can match up with MOST receivers. LOVES football... consummate team mate.
His slow recovery is making GM's nervous... he will fall. I doubt he makes it past 16 or 17, BUT... If he falls to us, do you take him?
I say, hell yeah... worth the risk.