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riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Then why is Bob the starter?

Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen and the huge investment we made to get RGIII.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but this is why its not 100% clear to me.

I could be wrong about that, but I look at the situation going into the Minnesota game. Kind of find it hard to believe that Gruden would not have preferred to stick with Colt McCoy at that point.

Well, I heard Ian Rappaport say yesterday that all four of his sources confirmed that the decision rests soley with Gruden. If he wants to bench RGIII, then he can do it at any time.

IMO Sean & Jay are looking at the QBs and have determined that while Robert obviously needs to get a lot better, he's the best option

yesterday was not a good game for Robert but it was an improvement - the final score would not have been different with Colt
so ... did it hurt the offense to not play Colt as much as it benefitted Robert to play? that's easy

Jay decides who plays - I don't have any doubt about that - that's just me

Jay will get together with Sean and decide who starts this week - I hope he let's Colt play ...

SkinsJock wrote:IMO Sean & Jay are looking at the QBs and have determined that while Robert obviously needs to get a lot better, he's the best option

yesterday was not a good game for Robert but it was an improvement - the final score would not have been different with Colt
so ... did it hurt the offense to not play Colt as much as it benefitted Robert to play? that's easy

Jay decides who plays - I don't have any doubt about that - that's just me

Jay will get together with Sean and decide who starts this week - I hope he let's Colt play ...

At least you're finally admitting that your son didn't have a good game. That's a start.

SkinsJock wrote:
yesterday was not a good game for Robert but it was an improvement - the final score would not have been different with Colt
so ... did it hurt the offense to not play Colt as much as it benefitted Robert to play? that's easy

So...... do you know for a fact (as the statement indicates) the score would have been no different had McCoy played?????? I'd love to understand how you made this determination on something so difficult to compare -- with such certainty. You probably had pretty significant analysis performed. Seriously --- I'd love to understand your thought process behind it --- I need a good laugh after yesterday's game to cheer me up.

As people have been saying on this board as it relates to your posts: JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

Also --- whether RGIII's performance was an improvement from last week is highly questionable...... RGIII's QBR against TBAY was 12.9 vs. 7.9 against SF....... so honestly, was it really an "improvement"????? Then again, who really cares -- both of those totals are God awful.

The fact is RGIII's play is bottom 5 in the NFL right now...... and some can argue bottom 3. I want this guy to get it together, but it just doesn't appear he can or will --- and an offseason doesn't appear to be what will help him. I want him to continue to play for the rest of the year. That way there will be no questions going into next season.

The question has already been answered, IMO. He's done. Time to move on.

That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

it may be that Robert is not comfortable with the pass blocking, but, who could blame him - it's not very good

I think both Kirk and Colt would also have had a hard time against that pass rush - especially with Aldon & Justin playing like that

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

I agree. Almost any QB would have had a crappy game. Even Romo who has the ability to escape pass rushers has his game knocked down a few pegs when under duress. Buddy Ryan thought the same about Randall Cunningham who in my opinion turned out to be a good QB. I don't klnow the answer but I would like to believe at this point the chicken and egg concept about the line should be over. No more spending too many draft picks for a QB until we can get the best Oline possible. We have the skill players. We can make due until then. I still wont give up on Robert until I see it wont get any better.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

Did you see how many sacks Andrew Luck had yesterday?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

Did you see how many sacks Andrew Luck had yesterday?

Andrew is not Robert or like most of the other QBs either.

Thought I'd include this from John Keim of ESPN ....

I've written this before, but head coaches must make tough decisions.
If Jay Gruden truly believes Griffin gives the Redskins the best chance to win, or if he believes that playing him the next five weeks will pay off big-time next year, then keep playing him.
If not, if Gruden doesn't think he can win with Griffin now or in the future, then he must make that tough call.
You might get one shot at being a head coach. He can't exit that chance playing the what-if game.
I also know not everything that's gone wrong here is Griffin's fault. If they get rid of him, then other flaws will be exposed. There are a few.

really? that might be interesting

but ... I agree with John - if Gruden thinks that Robert can be coached up that's fine but otherwise he should make that decision soon

StorminMormon86 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

Did you see how many sacks Andrew Luck had yesterday?

Yea, and he had a pretty crappy game.

I think he got sacked 5 times too. He fumbled 3 times. He threw a TD pass. His D held the other team to 3 points. He engineered scoring drives of -6 yards (FG), 52 yards (FG), 85 yards (TD - Hilton hauled in a 73 yarder, DJax dropped his), and 77 yards (FG).

Having said all that, Griff is sucking. 43 sacks in last 9 games and I'm sure many were his fault.

DarthMonk wrote:Yea, and he had a pretty crappy game.

I think he got sacked 5 times too. He fumbled 3 times. He threw a TD pass. His D held the other team to 3 points. He engineered scoring drives of -6 yards (FG), 52 yards (FG), 85 yards (TD - Hilton hauled in a 73 yarder, DJax dropped his), and 77 yards (FG).

Having said all that, Griff is sucking. 43 sacks in last 9 games and I'm sure many were his fault.

I don't think Luck had a crappy game. Not one of his best, but still put up enough points to win, despite the pressure.

can't wait to see how Luck and the Colts do against our O line and our defense ...

3rd downs on offense and defense are a treat for those teams playing the Redskins

but maybe Colt will make those issues go away

SkinsJock wrote:can't wait to see how Luck and the Colts do against our O line and our defense ...

3rd downs on offense and defense are a treat for those teams playing the Redskins

but maybe Colt will make those issues go away

Defense played their *** off on Sunday against a playoff caliber team. Unfortunately Colt McCoy has already shown he can win a game when the defense does its job.

^ Yep and ST too. I knew they were getting better when they started off rocky.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

Still grasping at those excuses......

I have no idea who the "Ohnos" are, but RGIII has less time in the pocket because he doesn't understand how to move within it. Colt wouldn't have been sacked 5 times yesterday. Don't get me wrong --- I personally don't think McCoy is anything special and want to see RGIII continue to start, but it is my opinion based on McCoy's play this year that he wouldn't have been sacked 5 times.

It appears the availability of RGIII excuses are dwindling with each week...............

StorminMormon86 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Yea, and he had a pretty crappy game.

I think he got sacked 5 times too. He fumbled 3 times. He threw a TD pass. His D held the other team to 3 points. He engineered scoring drives of -6 yards (FG), 52 yards (FG), 85 yards (TD - Hilton hauled in a 73 yarder, DJax dropped his), and 77 yards (FG).

Having said all that, Griff is sucking. 43 sacks in last 9 games and I'm sure many were his fault.

I don't think Luck had a crappy game. Not one of his best, but still put up enough points to win, despite the pressure.

6 was enough to win. He complimented his line (would be nice to hear Griff do that), blamed himself for holding the ball too long, and my "pretty crappy" was what he referred to as "bad."

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:can't wait to see how Luck and the Colts do against our O line and our defense ...

3rd downs on offense and defense are a treat for those teams playing the Redskins but maybe Colt will make those issues go away

Defense played their *** off on Sunday against a playoff caliber team. Unfortunately Colt McCoy has already shown he can win a game when the defense does its job.

DAMN - I'd love to have seen Colt play last Sunday - what a shame we have Gruden as our HC - any other HC would have put Colt in and we'd have won that game, no doubt about it, money in the bank - DAMN

maybe Colt will get a chance this week to beat Oliver - c'mon Jay be a man, put the kid in and let's get this offense going

C'mon Colt - you're the man - seize the opportunity

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:can't wait to see how Luck and the Colts do against our O line and our defense ...

3rd downs on offense and defense are a treat for those teams playing the Redskins but maybe Colt will make those issues go away

Defense played their *** off on Sunday against a playoff caliber team. Unfortunately Colt McCoy has already shown he can win a game when the defense does its job.

DAMN - I'd love to have seen Colt play last Sunday - what a shame we have Gruden as our HC - any other HC would have put Colt in and we'd have won that game, no doubt about it, money in the bank - DAMN

Yeah, you're right. Griffin gave us the best chance to win the game. He was really effective especially on the game winning drive.

markshark84 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

Still grasping at those excuses......

I have no idea who the "Ohnos" are, but RGIII has less time in the pocket because he doesn't understand how to move within it. Colt wouldn't have been sacked 5 times yesterday. Don't get me wrong --- I personally don't think McCoy is anything special and want to see RGIII continue to start, but it is my opinion based on McCoy's play this year that he wouldn't have been sacked 5 times.

It appears the availability of RGIII excuses are dwindling with each week...............

You get labeled as a "troll" for constantly talking *sh$t* outside of smack.. You turn every thread into a "me" vs "them" pissing match like an attention starved whore. You dont have to be confrontational on every post man.. I havent seen one person make an excuse for Rgs performance- likewise the oline doesnt deserve any praise either.

THIS thread is about blocking, which I made clear in the original post, and how Robert needs more time to build his confidence to be successful. Ive covered that he holds on to the ball to long, thus taking sacks he should not, and purposed that we ought to find a way to buy him time in order to shake the "yips" or "gunshy".

Ohno: is Tony Romo, whom on HIS game winning drive; had a tea party behind his oline and was able to find his recievers.
Im not making excuses, I just KNOW in order to be successful, regardless of qb, we need to strengthen the oline. Not rocket science

*Colt McCoy has one td to one interception this year in his 6 quarters of play... and five sacks.. vs a piss poor Titans team and a dullass pass rush who lost Ware and Hatcher aswell as Sean lee.. oh and he had Trent Williams.
im not sayong Colt cant read the D faster, pull the trigger faster, and even be successful or not.. im saying our line cant pass protect for squat

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

markshark84 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:That blocking tho!
Anyone watch Ohnos final drive? 7 and 8 seconds his line bought him.. rg3 was getting blown up at 2.
There were a couple plays he had time but mostly he did not. I guess seeing Colt without Trent getting blown up is something the fans really want to see

Still grasping at those excuses......

I have no idea who the "Ohnos" are, but RGIII has less time in the pocket because he doesn't understand how to move within it. Colt wouldn't have been sacked 5 times yesterday. Don't get me wrong --- I personally don't think McCoy is anything special and want to see RGIII continue to start, but it is my opinion based on McCoy's play this year that he wouldn't have been sacked 5 times.

It appears the availability of RGIII excuses are dwindling with each week...............

You get labeled as a "troll" for constantly talking *sh$t* outside of smack.. You turn every thread into a "me" vs "them" pissing match like an attention starved whore. You dont have to be confrontational on every post man.. I havent seen one person make an excuse for Rgs performance- likewise the oline doesnt deserve any praise either.

THIS thread is about blocking, which I made clear in the original post, and how Robert needs more time to build his confidence to be successful. Ive covered that he holds on to the ball to long, thus taking sacks he should not, and purposed that we ought to find a way to buy him time in order to shake the "yips" or "gunshy".

Ohno: is Tony Romo, whom on HIS game winning drive; had a tea party behind his oline and was able to find his recievers.
Im not making excuses, I just KNOW in order to be successful, regardless of qb, we need to strengthen the oline. Not rocket science

I find it difficult to not call you out when you mask your posts as being something they really aren't. Your post discussed how RGIII didn't have enough time due to the OL. Your post revolved around RGIII; not the OL.

The thread title is about blocking or "lack thereof" --- i.e., how it relates to the QB's ability to execute. Your post in question provided how our RGIII can execute given the time provided by the OL and how McCoy would be affected without TW ---- so it was really more about the QB than the OL. That is why I included my comment about RGIII's inability to move within the pocket -- which provides a counterpoint to your opinion that the OL is the primary reason for RGIII's lack of time. RGIII's manuverability affects the OLs ability to protect. McCoy's superior in-pocket manuverability would have made the OL look better.

This team's issue is not merely with the OL, but also with RGIII's pocket presence. You cited his only having 2 seconds in the pocket, but in certain situations the 2 second point is the typical timeframe to move forward within the pocket. I was actually watching the game with a private QB coach here in TX and he confirmed this.

You never said, at least in the post I responded to, that we should find ways to buy him time. There are ways to do so, like more rollout plays, or more max-protect packages. Those were never mentioned --- your post merely stated that RGIII had 2 seconds compared to Romo's 7 to 8. I do agree that our OL needs to be improved --- don't get me wrong. But where I think we differ in opinion is that I don't think an improved line will solve RGIII's current issues at playing the QB position.

Also --- this isn't me talking sh#t. I have literally only gotten angry from one single post within this forum since I joined. I don't recall if it was yours or someone elses, honestly. I dont' even recall when it was posted. And if someone disagrees with what I post, I generally attempt to have a back and forth on the issue. If you really think this is talking sh#t, you need to get thicker skin. After all, you are the one that almost always (at least recently) ends up calling me a troll, whore, a loser that lives in my parents basement, molestor, or whatever else you come up with...... Yet, I'm the one talking sh#t.........

story bro.
maybe before you post in threads with random bs you ought to read the title.
Buying Robert more time, imo, is the only way he has a CHANCE to be successful. He may very well be toast, but more time to make a decision- if only a little- would benefit him aswell as the staff trying to evaluate him.

McCoys superior skills got him sacked almost with the same frequency vs sub par pass rushers and he had the best lineman in when he played aswell. Not excuses by any stretch- read his stat line. Read the op. Read and find we agree more then you are disagreeing with no one in particular. .

before the season began this team's issues were with the DBs and the O line - those still exist and now we have seen that we need a better pass rush as well because while Hatcher has helped we still need help getting pressure on the QB

2 problem areas have been 3rd down offense and 3rd down defense

this off season we badly need a DB/S; a RT and a pass rusher