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Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:18 am
by cowboykillerzRGiii
OldSchool wrote:The race this season is over with 5 games on the schedule. I think Griffin ought to be benched, we know what he can do and it is far below NFL starter standards. Play Cousins and see what he can do, Griffin loses games by 20 maybe Cousins can do better.
Ya he is still middle of the pack as far as "NFL" qbs.... Despite having no time and rarely people open... That can catch. Smh @ aldrick Robinson
Can we change the title of this to the trouble with RGiiis line?
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:46 am
by StorminMormon86
SkinsJock wrote:^^ are you kidding - the media is going to spin everything and anything they can, whenever they can …
winning or losing - the mediots will continue to pursue any storyline they feel will help their cause
Uh, no. You would not be hearing questions about Griffin's leadership, rift with Shanahan, etc. if our record was 8-3 right now.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:27 am
by grampi
OldSchool wrote:The race this season is over with 5 games on the schedule. I think Griffin ought to be benched, we know what he can do and it is far below NFL starter standards. Play Cousins and see what he can do, Griffin loses games by 20 maybe Cousins can do better.
Not only do we need to see how, if at all, the offense changes with Cousins at the helm, but if Shanny keeps RG3 out there he's gonna reinjure that knee...if he continues to play RG3 he's just being both stubborn and ignorant...
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 1:58 pm
by hanburgerheel
The Trouble with RG3 is very simple:
Robert Griffin never earned what he is being held accountable for right now. He was thrust into a leadership position that he never earned at all. He was hyped and coddled and sold by merchandisers and almost killed in December. Now the reality of what this current coaching staff has slapped together is showing and Griffin is not used to being a loser and being pummeled every weekend. He runs-off at the mouth at the worst possible time because he's a young man. He's not earned anything except a big paycheck. If he's not careful, it's the only thing he will ever earn besides the shortest, most disappointing NFL career.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 8:12 pm
by SkinsJock
Robert is the QB - for now and the future - I'm sure he's as frustrated as anyone with everything that's going on
I think that Mike stays with Robert
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:52 pm
by SKINS#1
After reading the following quote by Brady, how long before we can expect RG3 to make these calls? You think Shanny is playing him now to help him come up to speed?
"We've got a lot of calls at the line of scrimmage," Brady said, "some are protection calls, some are calls where we’re directing guys, we got run calls, we got pass calls, we got protection calls, we got dummy calls, so you don't get locked into one or two things ... we ended up using them all."
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:38 am
by HTTRRG3ALMO
SkinsJock wrote: .. Halfway through his second season, it’s impossible to call Robert Griffin III anything but an unrefined quarterback. Slowed by his surgically repaired right knee and often playing from behind, he’s learning how to be a drop-back passer the hard way
this is his opinion - RG3 is a 2nd year QB and the 'plan' this season is to make some changes to the way he plays in order to minimize the hits from the way he played last season - this is an ongoing process and RG3 is playing better despite not having a very good pass blocking O line
I think the implication that RG3 is "slowed" by the injury is incorrect - he's indicated that he is not hampered by the brace or by effects from the injury … I think he knows more about his legs and his physical capabilities than this reporter does
RG3 is trying his best to make Kyle's offense work the way that Kyle wants it run - last season they wanted to use plays that he was familiar with and this season they are putting in a slightly different offense
RG3 is a work in progress but he's incredibly bright and very motivated - he'll figure this out
RG3 is a lot better QB at this time than this reporter is implying
He's taking more hits than last year and certainly is not playing better than last year. This knee is really becoming the pink elephant. Its not all of the problem, but it sure as hell is one of the major things that are different from last year...the plays and players are the same (few additions).
He's staring down the hot receiver while there's two guys wide open; that's not an issue with the play calling. In fact, the play "worked", RG3 just missed two guys while trying to force pass to the hot receiver.
The play calling issue is when you can successfully guess what play they're about to run. Way too predictable.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:41 am
by StorminMormon86
Shanahan said he's sticking with Griffin for the rest of the year, FWIW.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:37 am
by riggofan
StorminMormon86 wrote:Shanahan said he's sticking with Griffin for the rest of the year, FWIW.
That's the right call. Good for him.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:04 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:Shanahan said he's sticking with Griffin for the rest of the year, FWIW.
That's the right call. Good for him.
Mike knows what's best for the team ... and for his future
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:08 pm
by grampi
He'll stick with him until he gets hurt, which he most certainly will the way he's been getting battered around...we will see Cousins play before the season is over...
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:27 pm
by StorminMormon86
grampi wrote:He'll stick with him until he gets hurt, which he most certainly will the way he's been getting battered around...we will see Cousins play before the season is over...
I really hope so. Just for curiosity's sake to see what we have in him, and to see if it sparks something on offense.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:08 pm
by SkinsJock
StorminMormon86 wrote:grampi wrote:He'll stick with him until he gets hurt, which he most certainly will the way he's been getting battered around...we will see Cousins play before the season is over...
I really hope so. Just for curiosity's sake to see what we have in him, and to see if it sparks something on offense.
I know you mean't that you're hoping to see Cousins play QB … but not, surely, at the expense of seeing Robert hurt?
the best QB for this offense is Robert - have you been really watching him play the past 20 games or are you just thinking that we should just give it a try because it must be the QB - it can't be all the other facets of our offense?
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:03 pm
by Kilmer72
Cousins might see the field better but it wont matter after he gets knocked around a few times. I would rather Robert take the snaps and learn. If he is failing during the game I can see benching him for the game. I would never do anything to crush his confidence. Starting Cousins just makes drafting Robert not look good.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:12 pm
by SKINS#1
I believe Shanny prefers small/quick lineman for the zone blocking scheme but this is NOT what works when protecting a Pocket QB. Whoever is the QB with this line must be able to move and also read the defense (on the move).
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:14 pm
by HTTRRG3ALMO
SkinsJock wrote:^^ are you kidding - the media is going to spin everything and anything they can, whenever they can …
winning or losing - the mediots will continue to pursue any storyline they feel will help their cause
For this very reason, I would love it if just the coaches talked to the media for the rest of the season. Its causing too much drama.
I heard once that NFL players don't have time to read the news about them, but RG3 addresses it (at least numerous times in the past) directly in press conferences, and on his Twitter. This additional stress is a major distraction and will only overload his mind. I'd isolate him so all he is thinking about is improving his game.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:25 pm
by SkinsJock
there is no stress from the media as far as Robert is concerned - that's not a problem at all
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:29 am
by HTTRRG3ALMO
SkinsJock wrote:there is no stress from the media as far as Robert is concerned - that's not a problem at all
But my friend, he's not ignoring them, he's engaging them; its causing him distress.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:51 am
by SkinsJock
HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:SkinsJock wrote:there is no stress from the media as far as Robert is concerned - that's not a problem at all
But my friend, he's not ignoring them, he's engaging them; its causing him distress.
I really don't think it is - he's not playing well and he's not making good decisions on the field
the off the field stuff is not an issue - the fans and media make that stuff up
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:17 pm
by Kilmer72
He is definitely taking the high road. He is learning and is handling himself much better. This is what I expect. Not subliminal messages.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... ad-brooks/If I was betting man I would put my money on Robert becoming elite.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:31 pm
by SKINS#1
SkinsJock, I appreciate your optimistic viewpoint but sometimes I think you have Rose colored glasses.
My concern is most pocket QB have 3-4 yrs college experience prior to reaching the NFL and then is takes time for them to make the adjustment. In RG3 case, he has very little experience as a pocket QB and this makes me cautious, will it take months or yrs for him to be effective?
I agree he is a great athlete with loads of ability but so is Vick. RG3 may be a hard worker but I am not sure this necessarily translates to success in a timely manner.
I hope you are right but hope is all we have at this point in time.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:49 pm
by Kilmer72
SKINS#1 wrote:SkinsJock, I appreciate your optimistic viewpoint but sometimes I think you have Rose colored glasses.
My concern is most pocket QB have 3-4 yrs college experience prior to reaching the NFL and then is takes time for them to make the adjustment. In RG3 case, he has very little experience as a pocket QB and this makes me cautious, will it take months or yrs for him to be effective?
I agree he is a great athlete with loads of ability but so is Vick. RG3 may be a hard worker but I am not sure this necessarily translates to success in a timely manner.
I hope you are right but hope is all we have at this point in time.
Yes to both. It will take months and years. In months you will see Robert performing much like he did last year. In years you will see his experience take over where physical regression has emerged. (Ageing) This guy will be a QB for a long time and hopefully always here.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:05 pm
by SKINS#1
Kilmer72 wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:SkinsJock, I appreciate your optimistic viewpoint but sometimes I think you have Rose colored glasses.
My concern is most pocket QB have 3-4 yrs college experience prior to reaching the NFL and then is takes time for them to make the adjustment. In RG3 case, he has very little experience as a pocket QB and this makes me cautious, will it take months or yrs for him to be effective?
I agree he is a great athlete with loads of ability but so is Vick. RG3 may be a hard worker but I am not sure this necessarily translates to success in a timely manner.
I hope you are right but hope is all we have at this point in time.
Yes to both. It will take months and years. In months you will see Robert performing much like he did last year. In years you will see his experience take over where physical regression has
emerged. (Ageing) This guy will be a QB for a long time and hopefully always here.
This is our hope but it is not a sure thing.
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:10 pm
by SkinsJock
nothing is for sure but I agree with riggofan - it will take time but he's got a very good QBs coach in Mike and part of my bias comes from the way he's been brought up - Robert has a firm base and a lot of support
RG3 will come through - and I agree - that is what we hope and expect … but nothing is guaranteed
Re: The Trouble with RG3
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:30 pm
by Kilmer72
SKINS#1 wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:SKINS#1 wrote:SkinsJock, I appreciate your optimistic viewpoint but sometimes I think you have Rose colored glasses.
My concern is most pocket QB have 3-4 yrs college experience prior to reaching the NFL and then is takes time for them to make the adjustment. In RG3 case, he has very little experience as a pocket QB and this makes me cautious, will it take months or yrs for him to be effective?
I agree he is a great athlete with loads of ability but so is Vick. RG3 may be a hard worker but I am not sure this necessarily translates to success in a timely manner.
I hope you are right but hope is all we have at this point in time.
Yes to both. It will take months and years. In months you will see Robert performing much like he did last year. In years you will see his experience take over where physical regression has
emerged. (Ageing) This guy will be a QB for a long time and hopefully always here.
This is our hope but it is not a sure thing.
Of course this is only my opinion. I believe Robert has the "IT" factor.
I think he has shown us accuracy (last year) People compare his size to Vic (nonsense) He has
good size not tall but 6'2" 220ish is just fine. He is losing some of his targets. He has been badly inaccrate this season. He is going through the same things many QBs have been through and then some. He has no blocking.
After all of the fall out he will come out smelling like a rose trust me. We did the right thing to move up and get him. Everyone would be crying "I wish we had a franchise QB" all season long. Patience!!!