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Hoss wrote:reversed

Conveniently ... announced two and half prior to the game today.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Hoss wrote:reversed

Conveniently ... announced two and half prior to the game today.

At least it was reversed...

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Hoss wrote:reversed

Conveniently ... announced two and half prior to the game today.

Yeah, I noticed that.....

The sign says "Worst Owner Ever" and the fans were able to turn it around and direct it towards Snyder and the Owners Box.

Jake wrote:The sign says "Worst Owner Ever" and the fans were able to turn it around and direct it towards Snyder and the Owners Box.

I can't believe some idiots actually believe Snyder is the "worst owner ever"! THat claim is so far from being inaccurate that it isn't even worth wasting my time giving a deffense of it. TO be the worst owner ever he would have to be the worst owner in sports right now and he isn't even the currently the worst owner in the NFL.

People need to get off his jock or we will end up with a William Clay Ford, or a Mike Brown, or a Bill Bidwell, or Jery Jones or any number of owners that are worse than him.

I know people will say at least Jone brought three SB to Dallas and while that is true, he also fired Jimmy Johnson, the man that built those teams, just because his ego was too big to be in the same room with Johnson's enormour ego. If Snyder ever lucked into a situation like Jones lucked into with Johnson and then fired that coach after two SB wins he would be tared and feather and hung from the capitol.

During the time frame the Danny has owned the Skins he has two things Jerry Jones has failed to get, a playoff win! The Jerryy Jones Cowboys are a complete disaster, he destroyed a team that would have won many more rings than they did had he just ket Johson continue building the team.

We, fans, need to appreciate what we have! We have a owner that is trying to win, hasn't quite figured out how yet, but I'm sure he will eventually. It took the Mara family a long time before they figureed things out in NY and the Danny will eventually.

But until then we need to stop this idiotic idea! HE IS NOT THE WORST OWNER EVER!!!

I agree with you, skinsfan33, that Snyder is not the worst owner ever, nor is he the worst owner in sports right now, and nor is he the worst owner in the NFL right now.

But do you watch the Simpsons? The "worst X ever" is just a meme from that. I'd be willing to bet that the intention behind the sign is simply "this owner is awful," a sentiment with which I of course agree 100%.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Jake wrote:The sign says "Worst Owner Ever" and the fans were able to turn it around and direct it towards Snyder and the Owners Box.

I can't believe some idiots actually believe Snyder is the "worst owner ever"! THat claim is so far from being inaccurate that it isn't even worth wasting my time giving a deffense of it. TO be the worst owner ever he would have to be the worst owner in sports right now and he isn't even the currently the worst owner in the NFL.

People need to get off his jock or we will end up with a William Clay Ford, or a Mike Brown, or a Bill Bidwell, or Jery Jones or any number of owners that are worse than him.

I know people will say at least Jone brought three SB to Dallas and while that is true, he also fired Jimmy Johnson, the man that built those teams, just because his ego was too big to be in the same room with Johnson's enormour ego. If Snyder ever lucked into a situation like Jones lucked into with Johnson and then fired that coach after two SB wins he would be tared and feather and hung from the capitol.

During the time frame the Danny has owned the Skins he has two things Jerry Jones has failed to get, a playoff win! The Jerryy Jones Cowboys are a complete disaster, he destroyed a team that would have won many more rings than they did had he just ket Johson continue building the team.

We, fans, need to appreciate what we have! We have a owner that is trying to win, hasn't quite figured out how yet, but I'm sure he will eventually. It took the Mara family a long time before they figureed things out in NY and the Danny will eventually.

But until then we need to stop this idiotic idea! HE IS NOT THE WORST OWNER EVER!!!

While I agree with you...you just proved that Snyder is now in the converstion of worst owner in fooball....I'd rather he be in the conversation with Kraft, Irsay, and Rooney

skinsfan#33 wrote:But until then we need to stop this idiotic idea! HE IS NOT THE WORST OWNER EVER!!!

No, he is not. But because he has put the team, players and the fans through SUCH TREMENDOUS MEDIOCRITY, the fans have the right to call him ANY WHAT SORT OF NAME THEY WANT.

Translation: they are as fed up as we are and they will let their emotions transpire in ways that may not be accurate, but somehow I am smart enough not to look for subtle accuracies in a demosntration of anger and frustration !!!

I may not agree with it but I know where it comes from and TO ME he is the worst owner that we could have simply because that is the ONE we have. Get it?

Redskin in Canada wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:But until then we need to stop this idiotic idea! HE IS NOT THE WORST OWNER EVER!!!

No, he is not. But because he has put the team, players and the fans through SUCH TREMENDOUS MEDIOCRITY, the fans have the right to call him ANY WHAT SORT OF NAME THEY WANT.

Even if it makes them look worse than the owner? I can't see how making idiotic, enormously exaggerated statements says anything other than, "I'm an idiot and I'm not happy". That is not the sign I would want to hold up, but that IS the sign they were holding up.

Just call it "poetic license".

He might not be the worst owner ever but if it embarrasses him and his group it's fine with me - it is a fact that he is primarily the reason the product on the field is not competitive

DEHog wrote:
While I agree with you...you just proved that Snyder is now in the converstion of worst owner in fooball....I'd rather he be in the conversation with Kraft, Irsay, and Rooney

I wouldn't want my name associated with "The Villain of Baltimore" Irsay! I wonder if Mayflower operates in Ashburn, Va?

The three owners you mentioned have one thing in common: Whenever they have had great QB play their franchise has been good, whenever they had poor QB play their franchise has struggled.

With out Brady, Kraft wouldn't be considered a great owner.

Snyder is only in the conversation of the worst owner in sports because of the local media and fan base! He isn't well respected nationally, but very few outside of the Skins media and fan base make statements that far off base.

Reason why this chaps my behind is because the more this fan base and local media continue to make the situation look worse than what it is, the worse it will become. Coaches and players won't want to come here and if Snyder decides to hire a real GM he won't be able to bring one to the circus.

All I'm saying, is be very careful of self fulfilling prophesies! Holding signs like that one hurts the team far more than it will ever help it!
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skinsfan#33 wrote:

DEHog wrote:
While I agree with you...you just proved that Snyder is now in the converstion of worst owner in fooball....I'd rather he be in the conversation with Kraft, Irsay, and Rooney

I wouldn't want my name associated with "The Villain of Baltimore" Irsay! I wonder if Mayflower operates in Ashburn, Va?

The three owners you mentioned have one thing in common: Whenever they have had great QB play their franchise has been good, whenever they had poor QB play their franchise has struggled.

With out Brady, Kraft wouldn't be considered a great owner.

Snyder is only in the conversation of the worst owner in sports because of the local media and fan base! He isn't well respected nationally, but very few outside of the Skins media and fan base make statements that far off base.

Reason why this chaps my behind is because the more this fan base and local media continue to make the situation look worse than what it is, the worse it will become. Coaches and players won't want to come here and if Snyder decides to hire a real GM he won't be able to bring one to the circus.

All I'm saying, is be very careful of self fulfilling prophesies! Holding signs like that one hurts the team far more than it will ever help it!
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So you give those owner no credit but want us to give Snyder credit for not having a great QB...Question... if Snyder gets a great QB and wins a SB who will you then give credit to?? And those owners have another thing Snyder doesn't the patients to let their coaches coach!

Unless they flipped it around between pictures, it was upside down when they faced it towards the owner's box.

Bob 0119 wrote:Unless they flipped it around between pictures, it was upside down when they faced it towards the owner's box.

Isn't that the universal sign for distress?

Or maybe the other side was them say hello to a love one in Afgan

DEHog wrote:
Or maybe the other side was them say hello to a love one in Afgan

Nah, couldn't be. Otherwise they'd have taken it away.

DEHog wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DEHog wrote:
While I agree with you...you just proved that Snyder is now in the converstion of worst owner in fooball....I'd rather he be in the conversation with Kraft, Irsay, and Rooney

I wouldn't want my name associated with "The Villain of Baltimore" Irsay! I wonder if Mayflower operates in Ashburn, Va?

The three owners you mentioned have one thing in common: Whenever they have had great QB play their franchise has been good, whenever they had poor QB play their franchise has struggled.

With out Brady, Kraft wouldn't be considered a great owner.

Snyder is only in the conversation of the worst owner in sports because of the local media and fan base! He isn't well respected nationally, but very few outside of the Skins media and fan base make statements that far off base.

Reason why this chaps my behind is because the more this fan base and local media continue to make the situation look worse than what it is, the worse it will become. Coaches and players won't want to come here and if Snyder decides to hire a real GM he won't be able to bring one to the circus.

All I'm saying, is be very careful of self fulfilling prophesies! Holding signs like that one hurts the team far more than it will ever help it!
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So you give those owner no credit but want us to give Snyder credit for not having a great QB...Question... if Snyder gets a great QB and wins a SB who will you then give credit to?? And those owners have another thing Snyder doesn't the patients to let their coaches coach!

That is pretty easy with Big Ben, Tom, and Peyton. And yes most of the credit would go to the QB if the Snyder own Skins won a SB. Unless they did it Ravens or Bucs style.

Bob 0119 wrote:Unless they flipped it around between pictures, it was upside down when they faced it towards the owner's box.

They did. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcspor ... .html#more

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DEHog wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DEHog wrote:
While I agree with you...you just proved that Snyder is now in the converstion of worst owner in fooball....I'd rather he be in the conversation with Kraft, Irsay, and Rooney

I wouldn't want my name associated with "The Villain of Baltimore" Irsay! I wonder if Mayflower operates in Ashburn, Va?

The three owners you mentioned have one thing in common: Whenever they have had great QB play their franchise has been good, whenever they had poor QB play their franchise has struggled.

With out Brady, Kraft wouldn't be considered a great owner.

Snyder is only in the conversation of the worst owner in sports because of the local media and fan base! He isn't well respected nationally, but very few outside of the Skins media and fan base make statements that far off base.

Reason why this chaps my behind is because the more this fan base and local media continue to make the situation look worse than what it is, the worse it will become. Coaches and players won't want to come here and if Snyder decides to hire a real GM he won't be able to bring one to the circus.

All I'm saying, is be very careful of self fulfilling prophesies! Holding signs like that one hurts the team far more than it will ever help it!
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So you give those owner no credit but want us to give Snyder credit for not having a great QB...Question... if Snyder gets a great QB and wins a SB who will you then give credit to?? And those owners have another thing Snyder doesn't the patients to let their coaches coach!

That is pretty easy with Big Ben, Tom, and Peyton. And yes most of the credit would go to the QB if the Snyder own Skins won a SB. Unless they did it Ravens or Bucs style.

OK so we think that Dan is a big part of the problem right now and you don't and are mad at us for thinking so...but if Dan were to hire a GM and that GM drafted a great HOF QB....Snyder gets little or no credit from you.....

DEHog wrote:
OK so we think that Dan is a big part of the problem right now and you don't and are mad at us for thinking so...but if Dan were to hire a GM and that GM drafted a great HOF QB....Snyder gets little or no credit from you.....

That is not what I have been saying at all, of course he get some of the credit just like he gets some of th blame. I do think that Dan is a big part of the problem for us not being able to move from the poor performance under John Cooke/Charley Casserly years to anything better than just an average team.

What I don't like is the idiotic statements like "worst owner ever" or how everything thing the Danny does is made into another act of a three ring circus by the fans and local media. He does enough dumb stuff w/o the Washington Post, 106.7, and his own radio station painting it in the worst possible light.

This type of sensationalism only benefits those media outlets and hurts the team! If someone wants to rip the Danny or Vinny, fine but be realistic in the context. Vinny isn't the worst GM (Charley was worse), but I think he is in the middle to upper, bottom half of GMs out there. Claiming he is the worst is ludicrous. The same for the Danny, except I would put him in the mid to lower, upper half of owners.

Does he need to fire Vinny, sure! Does he need stay out of personnel decision, absolutely!

But let's stop hurting the future of the team by buying into all of the propaganda that the media is painting. Unless, you truly want the worst owner ever or worst team ever, stop making those retarded statements or they will become reality.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

DEHog wrote:
OK so we think that Dan is a big part of the problem right now and you don't and are mad at us for thinking so...but if Dan were to hire a GM and that GM drafted a great HOF QB....Snyder gets little or no credit from you.....

That is not what I have been saying at all, of course he get some of the credit just like he gets some of th blame. I do think that Dan is a big part of the problem for us not being able to move from the poor performance under John Cooke/Charley Casserly years to anything better than just an average team.

What I don't like is the idiotic statements like "worst owner ever" or how everything thing the Danny does is made into another act of a three ring circus by the fans and local media. He does enough dumb stuff w/o the Washington Post, 106.7, and his own radio station painting it in the worst possible light.

This type of sensationalism only benefits those media outlets and hurts the team! If someone wants to rip the Danny or Vinny, fine but be realistic in the context. Vinny isn't the worst GM (Charley was worse), but I think he is in the middle to upper, bottom half of GMs out there. Claiming he is the worst is ludicrous. The same for the Danny, except I would put him in the mid to lower, upper half of owners.

Does he need to fire Vinny, sure! Does he need stay out of personnel decision, absolutely!

But let's stop hurting the future of the team by buying into all of the propaganda that the media is painting. Unless, you truly want the worst owner ever or worst team ever, stop making those retarded statements or they will become reality.

It wasn't the media who did that it was the fans, Snyder can fixed this today if he wants...and maybe..just maybe... the fans were saying he is the worst (Redskins) owner ever

DEHog wrote:OK! so we think that Dan is a big part of the problem right now and you don't and are mad at us for thinking so ...but if Dan were to hire a GM and that GM drafted a great HOF QB.... Snyder gets little or no credit from you.....

Skinsfan#33 wrote:That is not what I have been saying at all, of course he get some of the credit just like he gets some of the blame. I do think that Dan is a big part of the problem for us not being able to move from the poor performance under John Cooke/Charley Casserly years to anything better than just an average team.

We all agree then that Snyder is a BIG part of the problem

What I don't like is the like "worst owner ever" or how idiotic statements everything thing the Danny does is made into another act of a three ring circus by the fans and local media. He does enough dumb stuff w/o the Washington Post, 106.7, and his own radio station painting it in the worst possible light.
This type of sensationalism only benefits those media outlets and hurts the team! If someone wants to rip the Danny or Vinny, fine but be realistic in the context. Vinny isn't the worst GM (Charley was worse), but I think he is in the middle to upper, bottom half of GMs out there. Claiming he is the worst is ludicrous. The same for the Danny, except I would put him in the mid to lower, upper half of owners.

The items in yellow are a little over the top, don't you think
Snyder brings this stuff on himself and IF by calling him the "worst ever" it makes him even a little uncomfortable, so be it

Casserly is an NFL GM Cerrato is not
Cerrato will not be getting a job as a GM anywhere in the NFL next year

"he is in the middle to upper, bottom half of GMs .... " Say what

Does he need to fire Vinny, sure! Does he need stay out of personnel decision, absolutely!
But let's stop hurting the future of the team by buying into all of the propaganda that the media is painting. Unless, you truly want the worst owner ever or worst team ever, stop making those retarded statements or they will become reality.

I don't understand why you think it hurts the future of this franchise to keep after Snyder about his failings

DEHog wrote:It wasn't the media who did that it was the fans, Snyder can fix this today if he wants ... and maybe ..... just maybe ... the fans were saying he is the worst (Redskins) owner ever

I agree DEHog and hopefully Snyder finally does something that can benefit this franchise instead of hurting it

skinsfan#33 wrote:But let's stop hurting the future of the team by buying into all of the propaganda that the media is painting. Unless, you truly want the worst owner ever or worst team ever, stop making those retarded statements or they will become reality.

You seem to fail to understand that ALREADY many people, players and coaches, do not want to come here. Some of the ones here do not want to stay for next season.

Good players and coaches will only consider coming here to work for a successful GM and a totally different management and management style.

You seem to fail to understand that financial pressure and ridicule are the ONLY tools available to fans to compel the owner to make the necessary changes which start with HIM being removed from the football side of the operations. Danny has been told to do this in the KINDEST of terms too. Look at this thread

NOBODY can control the anger and frustration among fans. We may or may not agree with the way these emotions are shown but NOBODY can control them. So, we can continue discussing them all you want ...