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DEHog wrote:Well by his own admittance Gruden is running his mouth way to much…to the point where it does have an appearance of unequal treatment when compared to his remarks on Robert last year. I do believe he learned from that last year and would do the same for Robert this year if he was playing…remember his butt is on the line as well. Having said that I have listen to beat reporter after beat reporter say no player or coach has broken ranks and said that Colt or Robert should be starting…That we don’t have some rumor out there that says the locker room is divided or a anonymous source said…. is amazing in its self!!

Which is another reason why Gruden is quick to stick with Kirk. The locker room isn't divided like it would've been if they went ahead with 10 as the starter.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Heaven help me but Jason Reid is dropping truth on Bomani Jones right now on ESPN 980.

are you kidding me - Jason Reid & "truth" - Bomani Jones - ESPN 980 - why?

heaven help you

Gruden needs to play the QB that he feels is best for the offense - I think that Scot and the FO are letting everyone do their jobs and at the end of the season those that have earned it will be a part of this franchise going forward

Gruden and Kirk have 10 more games to show that they should be a part of this franchise - hopefully they can pull it off

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Heaven help me but Jason Reid is dropping truth on Bomani Jones right now on ESPN 980.

are you kidding me - Jason Reid & "truth" - Bomani Jones - ESPN 980 - why?

heaven help you

People can bash Jason Reid all they want, but he's been proven correct over and over and over again (unlike SkinsJock).

Was a good interview, StorminMormon.

SkinsJock wrote:Gruden needs to play the QB that he feels is best for the offense - I think that Scot and the FO are letting everyone do their jobs and at the end of the season those that have earned it will be a part of this franchise going forward

Sounds like a completely legit plan of action to me.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Gruden needs to play the QB that he feels is best for the offense - I think that Scot and the FO are letting everyone do their jobs and at the end of the season those that have earned it will be a part of this franchise going forward

Sounds like a completely legit plan of action to me.

They're probably reading this forum for advice. I'm sure none of that had occurred to any of them before it was posted here. It takes a sharp football mind to think of such wit and wisdom. One has to wonder how someone with such insight is not receiving a plethora of offers to become a general manager. I mean, my god, has any football franchise ever even considered these actions before? This is pure genius. I'm sure Scot McCloughan wishes he'd thought of it.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Gruden needs to play the QB that he feels is best for the offense - I think that Scot and the FO are letting everyone do their jobs and at the end of the season those that have earned it will be a part of this franchise going forward

Sounds like a completely legit plan of action to me.

They're probably reading this forum for advice. I'm sure none of that had occurred to any of them before it was posted here. It takes a sharp football mind to think of such wit and wisdom. One has to wonder how someone with such insight is not receiving a plethora of offers to become a general manager. I mean, my god, has any football franchise ever even considered these actions before? This is pure genius. I'm sure Scot McCloughan wishes he'd thought of it.

So true man, I wish they would. Our play calling would improve vastly if they'd JUST READ MORE STUFF ON THE INTERNET. We could be saving Snyder $$millions$$ in expensive coaching contracts.

God I hope we can get a win v. Tampa this weekend so people will STFU for a week or two. At least until Kirk Cousins loses the game vs. the Patriots.

riggofan wrote:
God I hope we can get a win v. Tampa this weekend so people will STFU for a week or two. At least until Kirk Cousins loses the game vs. the Patriots.

Code Red!!

riggofan wrote:God I hope we can get a win v. Tampa this weekend so people will STFU for a week or two. At least until Kirk Cousins loses the game vs. the Patriots.

Cousins could put up 50 points with 500 yards passing and someone here would still be talking about the one interception he threw in the game.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:God I hope we can get a win v. Tampa this weekend so people will STFU for a week or two. At least until Kirk Cousins loses the game vs. the Patriots.

Cousins could put up 50 points with 500 yards passing and someone here would still be talking about the one interception he threw in the game.

Or he could throw four picks, 50 yards, and no TDs and someone here would still be talking about how he hasn't had enough time for us to know what we have.

Deadskins wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:God I hope we can get a win v. Tampa this weekend so people will STFU for a week or two. At least until Kirk Cousins loses the game vs. the Patriots.

Cousins could put up 50 points with 500 yards passing and someone here would still be talking about the one interception he threw in the game.

Or he could throw four picks, 50 yards, and no TD's and some here would still be talking about how he hasn't had enough time for us to know what we have.

truer words have not been posted

to some fans here - "You don't know how petty & stupid some fans can be until they put it into words and remove all doubt"

I'd say right now Cousins is being judged harsher than RGIII. After RGIII we can identify uncorrectable incompetance when we see it.

Deadskins wrote:Or he could throw four picks, 50 yards, and no TD's and someone here would still be talking about how he hasn't had enough time for us to know what we have.

We know what we have. A feast or famine backup at best (Cousins), a career journeyman (McCoy), and a player we never should have drafted who is not an NFL quarterback. Why it continues to be a discussion is beyond me. Good teams don't even have to ask who is starting their next game at the position. If you don't have a quarterback you have nothing even if the rest of your team is above average. We have dick and yet it continues to be an argument as to which one of the losers who will be out of his ass at season's end should be starting games. It's a non-starter. We're one offseason into a rebuilding process. It was unreasonable to have any expectations of this team this season but, like so many other seasons, they gave us false hope and we bought into the notion that the team may not be as bad as the team is. Reality check: It is. And that starts at the quarterback position. I trust Scot McCloughan to right the ship because a) he has demonstrably proven he can spot and draft talent, and b) like Obi-Wan Kenobi, he is our only hope.

Let's continue to beat this dead horse though. There's absolutely nothing else to talk about with this team.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

Deadskins wrote:Or he could throw four picks, 50 yards, and no TD's and someone here would still be talking about how he hasn't had enough time for us to know what we have.

We know what we have. A feast or famine backup at best (Cousins), a career journeyman (McCoy), and a player we never should have drafted who is not an NFL quarterback. Why it continues to be a discussion is beyond me. Good teams don't even have to ask who is starting their next game at the position. If you don't have a quarterback you have nothing even if the rest of your team is above average. We have dick and yet it continues to be an argument as to which one of the losers who will be out of his ass at season's end should be starting games. It's a non-starter. We're one offseason into a rebuilding process. It was unreasonable to have any expectations of this team this season but, like so many other seasons, they gave us false hope and we bought into the notion that the team may not be as bad as the team is. Reality check: It is. And that starts at the quarterback position. I trust Scot McCloughan to right the ship because a) he has demonstrably proven he can spot and draft talent, and b) like Obi-Wan Kenobi, he is our only hope.

Let's continue to beat this dead horse though. There's absolutely nothing else to talk about with this team.

Yes, but my comment was a direct response to this:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:Cousins could put up 50 points with 500 yards passing and someone here would still be talking about the one interception he threw in the game.

So, I suppose it's fine when you beat a dead horse, but not when others respond to said beating?

Deadskins wrote:So, I suppose it's fine when you beat a dead horse, but not when others respond to said beating?

People are free to discuss any damn thing they choose. If someone died and left me in charge of discussion topics I didn't get the memo. But I'm officially done with the quarterback nonsense until we get a new one.

oj wrote:I'd say right now Cousins is being judged harsher than RGIII. After RGIII we can identify uncorrectable incompetance when we see it.

I think more patience was afforded to RGIII post-injury because of what he did prior to it --- versus Kirk. And I believe that was deserved.

The opinions people have towards RGIII are pretty polarizing, but I think that 85-90% of redskins fans understand that RGIII isn't going to return to 2012 form (or at least produce similarly to 2012) or something remotely similar. There is a very vocal minority that feel differently --- for example, I have 2 facebook friends that literally post pro-RGIII stuff about 3 times a week. The amount of noise they create is LOUD, but unsupported in reality or factual information --- it's more just a result of pure fandom.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:I'm officially done with the quarterback nonsense until we get a new one.

We can only hope.

If Griffin's lack of ability to play QB is so obvious to everyone, why is he still on the roster here? why did they keep a player that has no value?



btw - I totally disagree that Cousins is 'not being judged as hard as Griffin' - Cousins is getting an opportunity to play QB because he's earned it - Griffin had a chance earlier this year to show that he had learned from the mistakes and he obviously did not measure up
I disagree that Griffin has no value as a QB - if that was the case he would not be here

Cousins has shown some improvement but he has a lot of work to do in order to keep the starting job here

Jay Gruden is already fired. Cousins is already gone. And RG3 will be a starting QB with a new head coach next year.

Gruden sucks. Cousins has never ever been the answer and why people want to get rid of a the 2012 NFL OROY after a bad injury shows why the Redskins fans are the dumbest in all of sports.

Ive seen the Gus Frerotte joke. All the dumbs fans saying basically the same thing as they are saying with Kirk. Ive seen the giddy Shannahan homers who couldn't see what a mess he was going to be. And I see the Gruden homers that can't see why an AFL coach, whose retired players say he is over his head, will not translate to the NFL. Everyone is critical of RG3, but look how stupid the team played last year with RG3 out. But the media, the fans and the pundits love a stupid fat coach just because hes the coach.

This isn't the Gibbs era. We can't take turds from the trashpile and turn them into gems like we did 30 years ago. RG3 deserves more of a shot to fail than 7 games. Evidence of this is Cousins getting 11 games and his coach making excuses to the point that even the media is saying how stupid he is. The only QB that took us to the playoffs is RG3. He's young. He's coming off an injury. And he is way better than Colt or Cousins.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

riggofan wrote:God I hope we can get a win v. Tampa this weekend so people will STFU for a week or two. At least until Kirk Cousins loses the game vs. the Patriots.

Cousins could put up 50 points with 500 yards passing and someone here would still be talking about the one interception he threw in the game.

Dude seriously Kirk hasnt thrown more then two tds this season. If he threw for 5tds not one Rg3 fan would complain.

who cares???

Kirk is our guy, we root for the same team...screw the backup to the backup!!

hitmandm wrote:Jay Gruden is already fired. Cousins is already gone. And RG3 will be a starting QB with a new head coach next year.

Gruden sucks. Cousins has never ever been the answer and why people want to get rid of a the 2012 NFL OROY after a bad injury shows why the Redskins fans are the dumbest in all of sports.

Ive seen the Gus Frerotte joke. All the dumbs fans saying basically the same thing as they are saying with Kirk. Ive seen the giddy Shannahan homers who couldn't see what a mess he was going to be. And I see the Gruden homers that can't see why an AFL coach, whose retired players say he is over his head, will not translate to the NFL. Everyone is critical of RG3, but look how stupid the team played last year with RG3 out. But the media, the fans and the pundits love a stupid fat coach just because hes the coach.

This isn't the Gibbs era. We can't take turds from the trashpile and turn them into gems like we did 30 years ago. RG3 deserves more of a shot to fail than 7 games. Evidence of this is Cousins getting 11 games and his coach making excuses to the point that even the media is saying how stupid he is. The only QB that took us to the playoffs is RG3. He's young. He's coming off an injury. And he is way better than Colt or Cousins.

Care to amend your remarks like they do in Congress when they say something stupid like this....

HEROHAMO wrote:Dude seriously Kirk hasnt thrown more then two tds this season.

Now he has. And he ran one in to boot. But he threw Zero Interceptions so there's nothing for anyone to complain about until next week.

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Dude seriously Kirk hasnt thrown more then two tds this season.

Now he has. And he ran one in to boot. But he threw Zero Interceptions so there's nothing for anyone to complain about until next week.

It's funny. Now the anti-Kirk guys will crawl back into a hole for the next two weeks.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Burgundy&GoldForever wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Dude seriously Kirk hasnt thrown more then two tds this season.

Now he has. And he ran one in to boot. But he threw Zero Interceptions so there's nothing for anyone to complain about until next week.

It's funny. Now the anti-Kirk guys will crawl back into a hole for the next two weeks.

Wishful thinking.