Blocking or lack thereof

[mastdark81]

Watching the Colts vs Pats game and blocking was a marvelous thing.. I started to notice some things.

Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.

While Gronk is a special beast, we lack even a decent blocking TE. Further more our RBs cant block- or even slow the right guy down- the wideouts are getting bullied on runs too! - sorry Djax.

Why arent we supporting our poor line? We have one of the best FBs in the league whos playing time is dwindling. . Double TE sets? Extra linemen? Hell put a LB in if you have to.

This argument isnt about robert holding on to the ball to long.. he does. I get it. If he had some time to make a slow decision- he would in turn gain some confidence. THAT would lead to trusting his reads and making quicker choices. Hes gotten gun shy- and rightfully so. He had a hand on hik as soon as he got the ball- and the line Colt and Kirk had was not the same. Tw out Lavuo banged up... its a terrible attempt at a patchwork line. The wr core is meaningless if the qb doesnt have tike to get it to them.

I hope coach has some ideas to improve it moving fwd.. I think its officially hit rock bottom

I agree with you. Well it starts with our General Manager Bruce Allen. Since he has been here we haven't invested ENOUGH resources to offensive lineman, nor the lineman we draft (except Trent Williams) pan out.

From a coaching perspective you suppose to put the players in the best position to succeed. Jay Gruden is working with his offense developed from Cincy, but is playing with Mike Shanahan players. Gruden has to get his players in or need to adjust. While adjusting some not adjusting much. Darrell Young should be our 3rd down back (if you going to have a guy stay to block and not Helu). Helu should only be in for 2 minute situations on pass downs.

Niles Paul, Paulsen, Reed, Helu are all below average blockers but we rely heavy upon them time and time again. I do like Gruden putting an extra lineman in a times, that shows he is willing to adjust some but need to more.

For the offensive lineman outside of Trent Williams they are all subpar. Chris Chester was solid in his prime but those years are far over! Kory Leichtenstieger has received praised this year because he has moved to his more natural center position. Contrary to popular belief Kory still struggles when he plays 3-4 teams and has to line up against beefy NT's.

[mastdark81]

Its like the original post said...we do not have good blocking. He's not talking about RG3. We all know he makes the line worse at times. But the Redskins haven't had good blocking on the oline nor special teams (kicks blocked consistently over the years, no big lanes to run).

Blocking is a problem period even when RG3 is not quarterback. Not just measured in sacks but clean pockets, lanes to pass through, a comfortabillity a quarterback need to be confident and successful.

Poor Alfred is consistently stuffed this year for no or loss of yards because the dlineman is getting off the snap faster than our olineman.

Why? Cause you spend resources on flashy skilled positions instead of the guys that do the dirty work.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

^that's all im sayin man!

Regardless off if you still hope RG3 will be the doode whobleads this tram for yeara to come or if you "know" he is the nex Jamarcus Russell, our protection is piss poor- especially the guys who arent linemen. If we want to see better qb play we nees to buy our qb some time, to help build his confidence.
D young should be getting 100, 000 times the snaps he does.. for starters

[mastdark81]

Exactly. Our line is good enough to be last place or maybe even division winners. But as a fan you should want your line to be able to be competitive in playoff/super bowl situations and not just go for status quo.

What happens is the media and the team itself brain wash the fans into thinking everything cool but each year we see the same dreadful results.

I just look at the teams that are good year to year and the personnel they have and how they manage the team.

[markshark84]

What happens is the media and the team itself brain wash the fans into thinking everything cool but each year we see the same dreadful results.

Agree 100%.

I have never bought into the Dan Synder off-season marketing machine --- which is why I'm annually called a troll on this board during weeks 1-9. Once our record gets to around 3-6, the namecalling begins to level off.....

[markshark84]

I never said he handled the press conference properly. . I alluded to Cam doing similar- it was his 2nd yearm Speaking of Cam.. whats their record?

Funny how you mention "the leader" and defend the true leader of the team, the head coach for making the same mistakes. They both aired out their laundry inappropriately and they both gave valid statements that were true- just not for everyone and thwir mom to hear.

Yall paint this picture like RG cant do wrongnin my eyes... just because I dont crucify the guy after a poor game and a poor press conference?

Im much more dissatisfied with our safety vet mr Clark giving up a career day to a back up qb and a young wr

Never saw this......

There are different types of leaders. The QB is the "on field" leader. "On field" leaders keep their "leadership" on the field --- once they step off the field, the HC takes over. The HC and QB should work very closely to define and understand that relationship. It is up to both parties to come to these terms.

An "on field" leader should never comment about other players. The HC, however, whose roles are larger and more expansive, has that luxury. Gruden commented on what RGIII said in order to do damage control. His comments were made in order for all to know that RGIII had NOT expanded his "on field" leader roles to something outside the field.

I consider you not as someone that thinks RGIII can do nothing wrong ---- but merely as a fan that will 100% of the time, give the benefit of the doubt to RGIII..... in that you will make any excuse available to him to justify or water down his mistakes. This is clearly evident based on your post history. As an example, if RGIII throws 3 INTs and losses a game --- you aren't going to say he didn't make bad passes ---- BUT you will look for any and everything available to push the blame away from him so that it was partially someone else's fault. For example, you will say the line didn't provide protection, the WR ran bad routes, the RBs didn't block well, the play calling was bad --- really anything to dimish his role. That is what most subjective fans do and I have no problem if you want to look at things in this manner --- just don't expect me to actually agree or believe what you throw out.

If RGIII had not made that mistake, Gruden would have said nothing.

[cowboykillerzRGiii]

Fair enough.n but when those other factors are true whats the problem? At the end of the day he is one man out there. Had the D shown up like theu did vs dullass, helu didnt fumble, niles did pitch an int to a defender, and Robert had all day to make a bad throw; id call it as it was. When the team is getting torched by a rookie wideout, the fg kicker cant kick a fg, and the qb has no time (even if its footwork flaws) ill suggest we find a way to give him more time to be effective.
Following robert since ncaa gives me a hope only those that experienced it have. I KNOW he can be a great qb- but no one knows of he WILL be. As the qb he carries the weight of the teat, but isnt solely to blame.
I cant waste my time pleading for the next guy up next guy up when I know his potential and know what good comes from the qb carousel. -and what are options are.

Robert explained his comments on FB. Ill say he was disappointed about the loss, his performance, and the offense as a unit. He deflected and shouldnt have. How much more can he say "they go as I go" tho? He said they all need to play better- and they do.

Coach SHOULD have said he expects better from his qb, the team struggled here there and he is going to see to it that the qb position produces better play.. But to go deeper and into detail focused on one player to the media breaking down every misfire is juvenile and a rookie coach move.

Its roberts team on the field and his off.. he should know to address play by play critique os reserved for the film room. Fueling the media quibble was was in petty and spiteful if indeed a response to Roberts- ultimately why he had to go back and admit it was wrong. He is a mentor to his qb and should set a higher standard on himself if he expects the same of his players.

Most coaches defend their qbs after a crumby game- and set forth a plan to correct the errors made that week to imrpove on the next.. ultimately its coaches call as to who starts and how prepared they are heading into the game- and surely shoulders some of the blame

[StorminMormon86]

So...nobody remembers Gruden's comment after the first preseason game? He said something to the effect of, "we're going to have to win a lot of 13-10 games this year". Not a good sign for those that truly believe he thinks Griffin is the best QB on the roster.

[SkinsJock]

At the beginning of the season, I'm sure that Sean and Jay felt that they had a good situation at QB - they had Robert and Kirk plus they were able to add Colt as a 3rd QB in case anything happened ... good idea

IMO - at this time they still think that Robert is the QB of the future and while he's not playing as well as Kirk or Colt might, the best way to help him get his confidence back is to let him play and learn from the mistakes and the film room

there is no doubt in my mind: they think that playing Robert is best for this franchise OR they are being made to do that OR they think that Colt or Kirk might be better for this franchise

Robert will be given every opportunity to prove he's the best QB here and until he proves otherwise he will be starting

[SkinsJock]

So...nobody remembers Gruden's comment after the first preseason game? He said something to the effect of, "we're going to have to win a lot of 13-10 games this year". Not a good sign for those that truly believe he thinks Griffin is the best QB on the roster.

Robert is the best QB on the roster - maybe he's not playing as well as he's capable but he is the QB that Sean and Jay want

AND

they have a better idea of what is best for this franchise going forward

[StorminMormon86]

Robert is the best QB on the roster

No matter how many times you repeat this, it does not make it true.

[Deadskins]

Robert is the best QB on the roster

No matter how many times you repeat this, it does not make it true.

No, but it's clear that is the view of the coaching staff to this point. Will they change their minds? Very possible. But until they do, I just don't understand why some fans continue to dispute this.

[riggofan]

No, but it's clear that is the view of the coaching staff to this point.

That isn't clear to me at all.

[riggofan]

Robert is the best QB on the roster

No matter how many times you repeat this, it does not make it true.

That has never stopped SJ before!

[SkinsJock]

despite what some here think - I just assume that Robert is doing well in practice or showing that he's the better choice at QB and that is why he's starting over Colt or Kirk

I only keep repeating this because some here seem to think that Robert should not be the starting QB - that's just not a fact

if Colt or Kirk were clearly demonstrating that they would be better, they would be starting

'dethroning' the current leader/champion/starting QB is ONLY possible by clearly demonstrating who is better

if all 3 were even, the starting QB would still be Robert


even if we lose badly, I hope Robert clearly demonstrates his supremacy so we can worry about why we are not winning games

it's not all because of Robert, that's for sure as well

[markshark84]

Robert is the best QB on the roster

No matter how many times you repeat this, it does not make it true.

That has never stopped SJ before!

[markshark84]

despite what some here think - I just assume that Robert is doing well in practice or showing that he's the better choice at QB and that is why he's starting over Colt or Kirk

I only keep repeating this because some here seem to think that Robert should not be the starting QB - that's just not a fact

if Colt or Kirk were clearly demonstrating that they would be better, they would be starting

To put it mildly, I don't think the thought process is as simple as you are making it out to be.....

There are additional factors in determining who the QB1 is. This isn't high school. Being out-worked/played on the weekdays doesn't "dethrone" a QB in the NFL.

And in talent evaluation --- no one is ever equal. Ever.

[Deadskins]

No, but it's clear that is the view of the coaching staff to this point.

That isn't clear to me at all.

Then why is Bob the starter?

[StorminMormon86]

No, but it's clear that is the view of the coaching staff to this point. Will they change their minds? Very possible. But until they do, I just don't understand why some fans continue to dispute this.

I probably would have agreed with this maybe last year. But guess what? Shanny's gone and we're still getting eerily similar reports being "leaked". As the old saying goes, where there's smoke there's fire. Based off of the way Gruden has been speaking ALL YEAR ("we'll cross that bridge when we get to it", "we're going to have to win a lot of 13-10 games this year", press conference on Monday, "yeah he needs to do more probably", etc) just scream that Gruden does not want Griffin to be playing, but he was told that he has to.

[riggofan]

No, but it's clear that is the view of the coaching staff to this point.

That isn't clear to me at all.

Then why is Bob the starter?

Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen and the huge investment we made to get RGIII.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but this is why its not 100% clear to me.

I could be wrong about that, but I look at the situation going into the Minnesota game. Kind of find it hard to believe that Gruden would not have preferred to stick with Colt McCoy at that point.

[markshark84]

Then why is Bob the starter?

Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen and the huge investment we made to get RGIII.

Are you trying to infer that Danny boy influences the current staff's on-field decisions???????

But there have been so many media reports saying he is a hands off owner now......

If people honestly believe that, they're as dumb as the paper it's printed on....

[Kilmer72]

Then why is Bob the starter?

Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen and the huge investment we made to get RGIII.

Are you trying to infer that Danny boy influences the current staff's on-field decisions???????

But there have been so many media reports saying he is a hands off owner now......

If people honestly believe that, they're as dumb as the paper it's printed on....

Never mind about how this came to be but, if you were a NFL Franchise owner (or a GM) and you had made this deal, wouldn't you want to see if your investment pans out or gets better?

[StorminMormon86]

Never mind about how this came to be but, if you were a NFL Franchise owner (or a GM) and you had made this deal, wouldn't you want to see if your investment pans out or gets better?

This is where the Redskins are stuck in a conundrum of sorts. On the one hand I agree that Snyder should want to see whether or not his huge investment pans out, but on the other hand I could see why Gruden wouldn't want to wait as long if there is a legitimate fear of losing that locker room.

[riggofan]

Never mind about how this came to be but, if you were a NFL Franchise owner (or a GM) and you had made this deal, wouldn't you want to see if your investment pans out or gets better?

That's a great point, man. People will read that Snyder is influencing the decision and say, "Oh yeah, here's Dan Snyder meddling again."

This is one instance where I can't really blame Snyder or Allen for exactly the reason you said. Its the same reason I think they were right to start RGIII v. Minnesota. Given everything they've invested to get Griffin, they have to find out for sure what they've got.

The idea that this is just all Gruden's decision seems highly unlikely to me. Gruden knew the situation when he was hired, and I'm pretty sure RGIII was at the top of the list of topics discussed when he was interviewed.

[SkinsJock]

let's re-state the obvious - Gruden was brought in here to help Robert
no matter what was 'given up' the franchise is better off if one of the 3 QBs we have can be an effective NFL QB

Gruden thinks that QB is Robert, that being said, Gruden is obviously not going to keep trying to make Robert be a better NFL QB if he thinks that is not going to happen

until that time Robert gets the opportunity to show a lot of fans (and media) that they were wrong - gotta love it



where on earth did all this BS about Robert possibly not being a good NFL QB come from - who are these ass wipes?



AND

FWIW - it's not a good thing if Robert does not become a really good QB