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That Shanahan quote about being "honest" is overblown, IMO. He was basically saying he usually uses "coach speak" when talking to the press, but that time he was being completely honest.

finally someone speaks the truth .... SNYDER has treated this franchise like its his little toy from day one ..... having a roster full of player on the down side of their careers ..... to changing coaches every year .... i to have had it with SNYDER and the product that we as fans have tolerated for way too long.
i can't stop carrying about the skins but i can't take our team seriously either .....

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It doesn't matter who is coaching this team in the short or long term. This franchise is DOA until the day Snyder either sells the team or dies. It's done.

For the past few years, I've refused to attend a game. I don't purchase any Redskins merchandise. The next step, I'll stop watching the games and spend my time doing more enjoyable things. This franchise will never return to glory under this owernship. Pick any coach that's been here since Snyders arrival, they're simply symptoms. Snyder is the cancer, and until he's cut out of the body, his tentacles will continue to spread.

I thought things had changed. I thought he had learned his lesson. I was wrong. He has improved but he can only change but so much, that's true of all men, myself included.

The fact that some fans may arrive into any different conclusion that the one above can only be explained through BLIND LOYALTY.

How many coaches have come and gone?

What is the overall record under the Snyder ownership?

Are the SAME mistakes being repeated by the owner over and over?

The fact is that for as long as this is still a perennial loses but very profitable franchise, what is the incentive for Snyder to sell?

We reward his capricious behaviour, meddling, destroying the leadership of coaches, and terrible management with piles of money. Why would he change anything?

The formula is WELL PROVEN TO WORK WELL AMONG THE SELF-DECEIVING: add another coach, make a big splash player acquisition, create any sense of marketing hope and hype. Why change?

The fact that seats are not sold-out and the famous wait list does not exist anymore is a sign of things to come. In the end, it is US THE FANS, who have the power to revolt and vote with our wallets and feet to stop this egomaniac madman from destroying this team and the hearts of its fans year after year.

Enough is enough. I agree. I will always be a Washington Redskins fan but I will stop providing any economic support for the team. No tickets, no events, not even TV. There are far more useful things to do with my life than keep the frustration building year after year.

No, Snyder will not change He will never change. He is cancer and I know what cancer is because several relatives have passed away from it.

No need to go back in history to remind us all:

Dan Snyder's Civil Wars Continue to Erode Fanbase

Redskins' mess is all on Dan Snyder

Daniel Snyder can make fans happy, but firing Mike Shanahan won’t do it

Daniel Snyder, Robert Griffin III friendship highlighted during Redskins’ turmoil

For Washington Redskins, pride always precipitates the fall

Is Mike Shanahan or Daniel Snyder to blame? Washington doesn’t deserve either of them

Washington Redskins are being undermined by Dan Snyder’s corrosive star culture

OldSchool wrote:I agree Dan Snyder has been the problem and will continue to be the problem from the perspective of us fans. We think he has been a disaster but unfortunately from his perspective he has a been a huge success, doesn't the Skins lead the league in revenue? I think I remember seeing that in an article not long ago so he no doubt feels he is a great businessman running his business. We might want him to conclude he is a flop and sell the franchise after going through so many coaches and players but the cash register keeps ringing so Snyder knows his business is thriving. He may in fact be thoroughly energized now by the prospect of hiring a new coach and formulating the marketing campaign to successfully launch the next era.

Success is how you define it and like a lot business people I think Snyder measures success in dollars not wins, titles, or how the public views him. Sure, he'd enjoy winning and being liked but being financially highly successful seems to be more than enough to keep him going and for all we know being a great marketeer who growing his revenue despite having a losing team might be icing on the cake for him. I don't know the guy but doing just that might be a badge of honor in his eyes. In any case Dan Snyder isn't going to sell, we are stuck with him.

Amen.

However, Snyder will end up stuck with himself ... alone.

If you truly believe that as long as Snyder is owner that we can never win or be a functional NFL team, then why watch or bother to be a fan?

I personally believe Snyder has given way more to Mike than any other coach he has had. I also think all 3 parties involved are to blame.

If other organizations can have an owner befriend someone that they pay and get away with it, then why can't this owner?

I hate to defend Dan Snyder, but this time, is isn't all his fault. He didn't cause mistakes,interceptions,fumbles,lack of ST and Defense to historic failure.

Areas in our team are so bad that you have to go back to the early 60s to find worse.

I wont give up on a team I have been watching since I was 4. If it is never going to work in your minds then don't be a fan. I don't see the purpose of this thread.

Kilmer72 wrote:I hate to defend Dan Snyder, but this time, is isn't all his fault. He didn't cause mistakes,interceptions,fumbles,lack of ST and Defense to historic failure.

First, you do not hate to defend him if you do.

Second, BLIND LOYALTY is just that BLIND.

One day, you will recognize the cancer too.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I hate to defend Dan Snyder, but this time, is isn't all his fault. He didn't cause mistakes,interceptions,fumbles,lack of ST and Defense to historic failure.

First, you do not hate to defend him if you do.

Second, BLIND LOYALTY is just that BLIND.

One day, you will recognize the cancer too.

Most days I really hate my job. I go to work everyday. That doesn't mean I like my job.

I get what you are saying RIC.

I hope you get what I am saying.

Kilmer72 wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:I hope you get what I am saying.

If it helps - I get what you're saying.

Kilmer72 wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I hate to defend Dan Snyder, but this time, is isn't all his fault. He didn't cause mistakes,interceptions,fumbles,lack of ST and Defense to historic failure.

First, you do not hate to defend him if you do.

Second, BLIND LOYALTY is just that BLIND.

One day, you will recognize the cancer too.

Most days I really hate my job. I go to work everyday. That doesn't mean I like my job.

I get what you are saying RIC.

I hope you get what I am saying.

I get exactly what you're saying. And yeah that response was a little bit overwrought. If Dan Snyder is usually the guy responsible for farting in the room, but this time I'm pretty sure it was Mike who cut one loose, I can defend Snyder without "blind loyalty" or denying that he's a cancerous, room clearing gas bag.

UK Skins Fan wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:I hope you get what I am saying.

If it helps - I get what you're saying.

No need to misquote me or put somebody else's words on me

Redskin in Canada wrote:No need to misquote me or put somebody else's words on me

Oops. Error. I'll try again.

For the second time, and with the quote correctly (I hope) attributed:

Kilmer72 wrote:Most days I really hate my job. I go to work everyday. That doesn't mean I like my job.

I get what you are saying RIC.

I hope you get what I am saying.

For what it's worth, I get what you're saying.

UK Skins Fan wrote:I'm still waiting for the evidence that Snyder has been "interfering". Besides an alleged leak about the supposed circumstances of Shanahan's supposedly alleged intention to quit last season.

Snyder has no credit at the bank of goodwill, and I wouldn't be stunned if it transpired that he has been meddling. But I would be a little surprised. I cannot recall any reports of such behaviour in the previous three years. So I won't be so quick to jump on Snyder being the cancer (and that's a truly offensive term to use in this context) on this occasion, until/unless I see conclusive proof.

I understand the calls for Snyder to get out of town, but some of the vitriol simply isn't justified by what few facts we know about current events. Snyder is not to blame for the disaster that is laughingly called our "special" teams, nor the putrid defence that we have seen since Shanahan's unwise decision to switch to the 3-4. Nor is Snyder to blame for leaving the future of the franchise hobbling around on a minefield of a playing surface against Seattle, until he finally broke.

We don't like Snyder - I get that. he is not angel, but neither is he the devil.

I must admit that the use of Snyder as the scapegoat in this case just seems to damn convenient. It just doesn't smell right, not this time. Maybe its because as opposed to Portis, i really have a hard time envisioning Griffin as basking in the glow of being played the favorite by Snyder. Something just don't smell right with these "reports"

Yeah actually what I've been reading is Snyder has really sat in the background here, and not been a part of the team like he has in the past. Things like from here:

Snyder has been credited with keeping a lower profile on player-related moves since hiring Shanahan as his coach. Some people familiar with the team’s inner workings have said that Shanahan, unlike some previous Redskins coaches, rarely has had in-depth conversations with Snyder about the club’s daily operations, mostly leaving those conversations with Snyder to General Manager Bruce Allen. Snyder and Shanahan are seen speaking on the team’s practice field at times.

But ESPN reported Sunday that Shanahan was so dismayed by the relationship between Snyder and Griffin that he contemplated quitting his job after last season, going so far as to clean out his office before changing his mind when Griffin re-injured his right knee during the Redskins’ playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks. The relationship between Griffin and Snyder widely is portrayed as being close, although some in the organization say that is sometimes overstated and there is little interaction between the owner and quarterback during a season.

Snyder really is a bad egg, but I think that's why he makes such an easy target. While he's certainly earned his reputation (and more than earned it), I'm not sure if he's earned in here...it really does seem as if he's allowed Mike to run the show and stayed in the background.

PulpExposure wrote:Yeah actually what I've been reading is Snyder has really sat in the background here, and not been a part of the team like he has in the past.

Snyder has been credited with keeping a lower profile on player-related moves since hiring Shanahan as his coach. Some people familiar with the team’s inner workings have said that Shanahan, unlike some previous Redskins coaches, rarely has had in-depth conversations with Snyder about the club’s daily operations, mostly leaving those conversations with Snyder to General Manager Bruce Allen. Snyder and Shanahan are seen speaking on the team’s practice field at times.

But ESPN reported Sunday that Shanahan was so dismayed by the relationship between Snyder and Griffin that he contemplated quitting his job after last season, going so far as to clean out his office before changing his mind when Griffin re-injured his right knee during the Redskins’ playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks. The relationship between Griffin and Snyder widely is portrayed as being close, although some in the organization say that is sometimes overstated and there is little interaction between the owner and quarterback during a season.

Snyder really is a bad egg, but I think that's why he makes such an easy target. While he's certainly earned his reputation (and more than earned it), I'm not sure if he's earned in here...it really does seem as if he's allowed Mike to run the show and stayed in the background.

I was concerned that Snyder would not be able to 'let go' but it sure looks like he has - it's like night and day compared to the Snyder/Cerrato era
I'm sure Dan takes advantage and has a lot of contact with both players and coaches - he's the owner, it's NOT the same 'meddling' as he used to do

Snyder has let these guys 'run the show' - hopefully that stays the same - Dan and Mike will get together and decide what's best for them and the franchise moving forward - Dan will NOT be letting the money owed to Mike be a factor - this will be 2 egos deciding on the best path for the Redskins and each other - Dan has liked not being the 'villain' - that will continue for another season and Dan will spend whatever it takes supporting his team

2 things I hope for - there will be coaching changes - AND - we really need a GM that can help make better personnel decisions