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Trent Williams is a total waste of potential. He gets by on skill, but lacks character, work ethic, and apparently a brain. Reports of him being a slacker have proven true. If he had a Chris Samuels mindset, he'd be a perennial Pro Bowl player. With his attitude, he'll be lucky to accomplish anything over the long term.

I remember what it was like when I was 25 or howwver young they are... People mature at different paces. I know they are professionals, but they are just like 2/3 yrs(?) Out of college. You cant expect them to act like 60 yo CEO professionals.

To me these guys just need some guidance. And maybe need to choose their friends and the peer pressure that goes with those friends more wisely.

I understand the ramifications - I just hope that Davis is playing somewhere else - I could care less about his potential
it's not my team and I understand that he'll probably be here but he's a loser and always will be

same for ANY player that chooses to do drugs - NOT on my team

I hope these 2 guys are NOT here as soon as they can be - that's just me


Players that make choices that REALLY hurt the team and themselves should not be allowed to be a part of the NFL
IF they are in the NFL I just hope they are not playing here - really simple

BnGhog wrote:I remember what it was like when I was 25 or howwver young they are... People mature at different paces. I know they are professionals, but they are just like 2/3 yrs(?) Out of college. You cant expect them to act like 60 yo CEO professionals.

To me these guys just need some guidance. And maybe need to choose their friends and the peer pressure that goes with those friends more wisely.

I agree to an extent. I'm only a couple of years older than these guys, but it's obvious that they have to be much smarter. Plenty of guys in the NFL smoke weed, but they have to know that they can't do it at a time when it impacts the team. And they're not kids anymore, they are adults and they shouldn't be this stupid.

BnGhog wrote:I remember what it was like when I was 25 or howwver young they are... People mature at different paces. I know they are professionals, but they are just like 2/3 yrs(?) Out of college. You cant expect them to act like 60 yo CEO professionals.

To me these guys just need some guidance. And maybe need to choose their friends and the peer pressure that goes with those friends more wisely.

I can and do - they owe it to us, we don't owe them anything

I'm all for these players becoming HOF players ... for ANY OTHER franchise

I totally support bringing in ONLY those players that are totally commited to making the team they play with better
anyone else can go play with the pukes, the eagles or giants and be great - I don't care

I'd love to have a franchise full of dedicated players

I'd take a group of good dedicated players over a bunch of really great NFL players who choose drugs over their team EVERY day of the week

those type of players DO NOT deserve to be a part of the Redskins - they are NOT and will not be here for long

It was a dumb mistake but we keep both of them.. The lockout hurt us a ton of ways this year this being yet another one. They will mature in time and this I think will help. Nothing like consequences of your actions and paying for them vs just getting away.
I get we need character guys but seriously to want to cut them is pretty crazy..
Although different societies and person to person view marijuana in completely different lights.. I for one can tolerate this mistake vs say a dwi domestic violence or a shooting incident. People can change even dog killers... Fact is these guys showed poor judgment but didn't jeopardize the lives of them selves or others. I don't condone what they did as professionals but they like any human deserve the chance to redeem their names. I'm not god so I don't judge people as well as I'm not shanny so I can't cut anyone... If they come back hard and strong put this past them and not let it happen again I will be supporting them.
There's my 2 cents


Its not clouded by weed smoke btw or our dire need for both of them lmao

It's always amusing watching peoples reactions.

I'm not against players having a good time in ANY way

The ONLY issue I have is that players come into the NFL with FULL understanding of the ramifications of their decisions
some have suggested that they'll learn from their mistakes ...
please clarify what they 'learned' the first time they got caught

I understand that Williams has a contract and that should and will most likely be 'honored' BUT ...
Trent has not shown that he's worth where we selected him - unless he has a HUGE turnaround, he's gone IMO

Davis is a free agent - let him go play for a franchise that doesn't care how stupid their players are

we have a lot of issues & need players that can not only help here, they also are motivated to be the best they can be
we made a mistake in bringing in guys that put themselves and their selfish interests before the team

WE DO NOT NEED STUPID PLAYERS - these 2 are that - hopefully they're somewhere else soon

why, why DO......IDIOTS rule the world. These 2 surely have idiotic behaviour and tendencies....hahaha

Say Nope to Dope and Ugggh to drugs.......!!!

I'm way more irritated at the risk they've put their careers in and how they've let their teammates down. I'm disappointed in the selfishness of it. Regardless of what it was that they did. I'd bet good money that many of you that are ready to fire them were potheads back in 1856. LOL

Chris Luva Luva wrote:It's always amusing watching peoples reactions.

granted - I'm not as upset at these guys doing drugs as I am at the STUPID decisions they made

NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE, BUT 3 TIMES

what are your thoughts as a fan about this?


I know that players do drugs - I'm just really disapointed that these guys think that little about our team

these 2 guys could be players that might have done well here

I don't want players like this on our team - they obviously don't want to be really good players

Once is an issue, twice is a problem - getting caught 3 times is beyond STUPID & shows they cannot be depended on

SkinsJock wrote:what are your thoughts as a fan about this?

Read the first 2 thoughts of my first post.

SkinsJock wrote:Once is an issue, twice is a problem - getting caught 3 times is beyond STUPID & shows they cannot be depended on

IMO, now is the time to show them support and grow the relationship. What if they get the help that they need from this regime and it fosters a mutual bond of allegiance? What if that example shows other players on the team that, "hey these guys care about me and I want to stay here...".

As I've gotten older, I'm just coming from a different angle. I see this as a chance to really continue the trend of turning this franchise around. I understand that most people see these guys as nothing more than cattle, lol. But in reality, they have all the same issues and hangups that anyone may have. Many companies offer life assistance, my job does.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I'm way more irritated at the risk they've put their careers in and how they've let their teammates down. I'm disappointed in the selfishness of it. Regardless of what it was that they did. I'd bet good money that many of you that are ready to fire them were potheads back in 1856. LOL

I'm not ready to 'fire' anyone - we are not letting Williams go, he's here for a little longer
Williams has not exactly lived up to expectations - he's certainly hurt himself by this
after showing how dumb and stupid he is I doubt he makes the impact we expected

Davis is a free agent - why have someone like this on the team - he obviously does not really care about the other players
He should go to a team that likes druggies

This is not about whether or not we did (or not) do drugs - I did a bunch of it - the only person I let down was myself

The only thing here is that these players got caught 3 times in a short period of time

That shows a complete lack of commitment to the other players on the team

Mike & Bruce have made mistakes with some of the players they've brought in & let go - these 2 guys have highlited that

am I missing something?

SkinsJock wrote:This is not about whether or not we did (or not) do drugs - I did a bunch of it - the only person I let down was myself

If they choose to let one or both of them go, I wouldn't be mad and I'd def understand. But if they choose to work with these guys in regards to maturity and grow/foster a better team environment by doing so, I'd be happy about that too.

I mean really, look at this forum. There'd be nobody left if it was up to you guys. Fire Kyle threads. Fire Mike threads. Trent, Davis, Hall... LOL It's funny and hilarious.

Let's fire everyone without competent replacements and depth.

I'd like to keep both too and we just might - let's face it, we don't have any choice

I think that they'll let us and themselves down again - they just don't get it

that being said, we don't have any choice

I hope for the best but these 2 are really STUPID and there is no amount of coaching that can change that



I hope that Mike & Bruce learn from this - if there's a hint of an issue in a player's past don't bring him in here

SkinsJock wrote:I hope for the best but these 2 are really STUPID and there is no amount of coaching that can change that

I'd definitely agree that their actions were def dumb. This isn't a coaching issue, it's a life issue. And maybe the team needs to provide assistance for young players in that regard. These are traits and moral teachings that are often instilled by parents and role-models. And even then, you have to screw up a few times to get it right, sometimes.

SkinsJock wrote:I hope that Mike & Bruce learn from this - if there's a hint of an issue in a player's past don't bring him in here

Then you don't want to hire anyone. Because everyone has a past. You've admitted that you had a past and I bet you'd want someone to help/aid or give you a chance to do better and I'm sure someone did and u were grateful for it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:I hope for the best but these 2 are really STUPID and there is no amount of coaching that can change that

I'd definitely agree that their actions were def dumb. This isn't a coaching issue, it's a life issue. And maybe the team needs to provide assistance for young players in that regard. These are traits and moral teachings that are often instilled by parents and role-models. And even then, you have to screw up a few times to get it right, sometimes.

Yeah. To me, this is just two kids being 22 and 24, and thus, being dumb. But they have to realize that part of taking that multimillion dollar salary is that they're not allowed to be a normal 22 year olds in the NFL. Hopefully, this is their wake up call?

But you almost have to give them another chance because of the leverage these guys essentially have. Unfortunately, with the laundry list of issues with this team, we can't afford to add TE and LT to that list. Those are positions we felt we had sewn up...and at least one of them (LT) is very difficult to fill.

Hell, if nothing else, we can now probably sign 3 time drug offender Fred Davis to a cheap extension contract.

While I agree that being young gives you a longer leash, I think failing 3 tests in less than 2 years is downright inexcusable.

I can definitely chalk the first one up to immaturity. Maybe the test caught them off guard. The second was not a surprise, failing that one is a dumber, but hey--maybe the guys had a bunch of weed left over to smoke up--but the third failure? That pretty much means you're a RUH -TARD.

As sad as it may seem, I'd feel more sympathetic to someone who was caught abusing cocaine, or alcohol--substances with higher addictive qualities if you believe in Science. But, weed?? Dude, you can't stop smoking weed for 16 weeks?? It's not like we're going to the playoffs, so what 17 weeks tops? You are a Ruh-Tard. Plain and simple.

The Hogster wrote:As sad as it may seem, I'd feel more sympathetic to someone who was caught abusing cocaine, or alcohol--substances with higher addictive qualities if you believe in Science. But, weed?? Dude, you can't stop smoking weed for 16 weeks?? It's not like we're going to the playoffs, so what 17 weeks tops? You are a Ruh-Tard. Plain and simple.

LOLOL I cant disagree.

I hope that EVERYTHING works out - I very much doubt it
they are STUPID and I'll be very surprised if they can change - they knew what they were doing and did it anyway
once was a huge wake up - twice was dumb ... 3 times

they have leverage and I think they know it - they're our druggies for a while and they'll prove their stupidity again
we're in a bind here and I'm just very disapointed - these were 2 kids that could have really helped
now we know that just being good is OK with them AND that we can't really hurt them

we'll see ... I hope I'm wrong - Williams has not played to his potential and Davis looks really good at TE
getting more from both of them would be a huge lift and clear indication that they've learned from this

there is an awful lot of pressure on these 2 to prove to the team and the fans that they can change and be better
I don't think they lift their games to show how much better they can be
the proof will come by what we see on the field - hopefully for us and them, they become better players

if they continue to just be good then we'll know they're STILL the losers we thought they were


the thing is they put themselves in this position
we can assume that they were not doing as well on the field BECAUSE of drugs that they chose to take

I'll be really pleased if they can show that we're wrong in thinking that they're not able to overcome this

^^^ THANX - I'm done venting

these 2 can show me a lot

we're not getting rid of them - it would be great if they made an effort to show they're not who we think they are


I'm looking forward to seeing the 'evidence' in their practices and play on the field

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