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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:36 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Countertrey wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:Countertrey wrote:I only understand you because of the months I spent with the Ozzie warrant officer who taught me to use explosives...
That'll motivate you to learn Aussie in a hurry
Did he mean to pull the red wire or to not touch the red wire???
For crying out loud, Kaz, explosives just aren't that complicated... I told you... he was Australian
OK, quick.
Trey: The timer is down to 5 seconds and I have to cut the red wire or the blue wire, they always cut the red wire in movies, should I cut that?
Ozzie: that's a furph
So, do you cut the red wire or the blue wire?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:41 pm
by Redskin in Canada
SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Does ANYBODY really, honestly and truthfully believe FOR A DARN SECOND that Mr. GROSS man gives this team a better chance to win EVER tha Donovan?
I mean, seriously, anybody in his/her right mind do believ this?
I have a different theory:
I can think of a scenario where KYLE SHANAHAN feels that in his system this might be right and Dad is going along BUT ...
... Is the Head Coach readyto make a similar drastic move with his OC if this experiment backfires?
I doubt it. Why? Because he is grooming his OC to replace him here ... eventually.
BOTH are playing with fire. This is Washington Mike. It ain't no Denver. This Town eats people much larger than you for breakfast EVERY darn morning.
How much of a ridicule will Mike and Kyle have to endure if this experiment does not get to last until the third remaining game? I mean, when they are already planning to get the Third QB promoted to 2nd and all ...
You better be sure that you have the Danny in your pocket, Mike. I hope you do. We will find out.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:45 pm
by Countertrey
Well... he did say "If it goes boom while you're holding it... that's bad."
I'd take that to mean... cut them both. If you're wrong, who's to know?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:48 pm
by Countertrey
Redskin in Canada wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Does ANYBODY really, honestly and truthfully believe FOR A DARN SECOND that Mr. GROSS man gives this team a better chance to win EVER tha Donovan?
I mean, seriously, anybody in his/her right mind do believ this?
I have a different theory:
I can think of a scenario where KYLE SHANAHAN feels that in his system this might be right and Dad is going along BUT ...
... Is the Head Coach readyto make a similar drastic move with his OC if this experiment backfires?
I doubt it. Why? Because he is grooming his OC to replace him here ... eventually.
BOTH are playing with fire. This is Washington Mike. It ain't no Denver. This Town eats people much larger than you for breakfast EVERY darn morning.
How much of a ridicule will Mike and Kyle have to endure if this experiment does not get to last until the third remaining game? I mean, when they are already planning to get the Third QB promoted to 2nd and all ...
You better be sure that you have the Danny in your pocket, Mike. I hope you do. We will find out.
Beyond this, if Daddy demotes or removes Kyle, it will effectively end his football coaching career. Who believes that Shanahan would be willing to do that???
...[waiting for shoe to drop]
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:49 pm
by TCIYM
Obviously if we don't see an obvious plan of action with obvious results by next season then obviously Shanahan is a waste of time obviously. Obviously we need to see a much improved team with a much improved record or obviously we will be starting all over again ... again. Obviously.
The real question is: Does Bruce Allen have the authority to remove an ineffective Kyle Shanahan?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 8:52 pm
by Countertrey
Obviously.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:02 pm
by Redskin in Canada
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:28 pm
by Countertrey
Sooo... I take it, that's a "yes"?
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:41 pm
by Kilmer72
Redskin in Canada wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Does ANYBODY really, honestly and truthfully believe FOR A DARN SECOND that Mr. GROSS man gives this team a better chance to win EVER tha Donovan?
I mean, seriously, anybody in his/her right mind do believ this?
I have a different theory:
I can think of a scenario where KYLE SHANAHAN feels that in his system this might be right and Dad is going along BUT ...
... Is the Head Coach readyto make a similar drastic move with his OC if this experiment backfires?
I doubt it. Why? Because he is grooming his OC to replace him here ... eventually.
BOTH are playing with fire. This is Washington Mike. It ain't no Denver. This Town eats people much larger than you for breakfast EVERY darn morning.
How much of a ridicule will Mike and Kyle have to endure if this experiment does not get to last until the third remaining game? I mean, when they are already planning to get the Third QB promoted to 2nd and all ...
You better be sure that you have the Danny in your pocket, Mike. I hope you do. We will find out.
The season is gone. I do not see a problem with starting Grossman. You might as well give it a go. Anything to cause a spark. I have a friend that is a Bears and Redskins fan. I know. It is strange, but he grew up in Bears land, and he has supported the Skins as much as anyone could. When the two teams play he goes for defense. It is all he can do. He told me that Grossman actually does have way better upside considering that #5 isn't getting any younger. He said if we "Redskins" can get him to stop making bad decisions and coughing up the ball, then we have a real winner because the Bears have tried and failed and Rex is accurate most of the time and, can make all the throws. So, maybe it isn't such a bad thing to give him a shot. Do I believe? Not yet. Ask me after the last game of the season.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:21 pm
by BearSkins
Kilmer72 wrote:I have a friend that is a Bears and Redskins fan. I know. It is strange
Not THAT strange :p
FWIW, ol' Rex is okay - not specatcular, not the saviour and certainly not the worst QB the Skins have trotted out in the past decade or so. I think people are just down on him due to all the OTT flak he got from ESPN etc which, to be honest, turned my stomach. The time to judge his performance is AFTER the game, not before it. I never did understand that about fans.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:33 pm
by Deadskins
Kilmer72 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Never say never. Playing Albert or Dock gives him a better chance to win but they don't fit what he is trying to do so....There are circumstances.
This isn't the first time SJ has made statements that he should eat less than a day later. Problem is, he just posts on as if it were still true.
Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:49 pm
by Deadskins
Countertrey wrote:Beyond this, if Daddy demotes or removes Kyle, it will effectively end his football coaching career. Who believes that Shanahan would be willing to do that???
Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I believe that if Mike and Bruce don't think that Kyle is good enough to make this offense work then he'll be gone
Then you're deluding yourself. I'm not even sure Bruce carries the kind of weight to make any decisions without Mike's approval, but I hope so.
Redskin in Canada wrote:TCIYM wrote:The real question is: Does Bruce Allen have the authority to remove an ineffective Kyle Shanahan?
Bruce works for Mike in case you had any doubts.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:45 pm
by SkinsJock
My only interest is in getting this franchise back to a level of respectability
we were going nowhere with the Snyder method of ownership and managing - I admit I was wrong about thinking this idiot's way of owning and managing an NFL franchise would possibly work - I admit I was intrigued by a 34 year old fan putting together a "deal" that netted him his NFL team and that team happened to be the Washington Redskins
Finally Snyder saw the error of his ways, fired Cerrato (what a great day) and brought in Bruce Allen & Mike Shanahan
these guys are NFL guys and I think they will do whatever it takes to get this franchise back to respectability - they may not, but I have a lot more confidence in their way of doing things - especially when I think about the disaster that continued to unfold under the guidance of Dan Snyder
I'm not happy with the progress but I am fine with having these guys run things here the way they think is best because they are a whole lot better equipped to get the job done than the guys that were running things here for the last 10 years +
we are an improved franchise from last December but it is going to take a little longer to get this franchise back to the level of consistency that we all want
these guys will get it done as long as the idiot owner keeps out of the way
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 1:00 pm
by SkinsJock
Deadskins wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Never say never. Playing Albert or Dock gives him a better chance to win but they don't fit what he is trying to do so....There are circumstances.
This isn't the first time SJ has made statements that he should eat less than a day later. Problem is, he just posts on as if it were still true.
I'm fine with Mike's decisions as far as both Haynesworth and Dockery are concerned - If Mike felt that either of those 2 were going to play and practice in a way that would help the product on the field they would have been included - these players did not make the effort and I'm totally fine with that
I think that Mike and Bruce are going to do whatever they think is best for the franchise going forward and I'm going with that until a better option comes along - I think that they've made mistakes and they know it but I think that we'll be better off as we get further down the road
I still think that we're better off with these guys in charge than we were last December
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:08 pm
by Countertrey
SkinsJock wrote:My only interest is in getting this franchise back to a level of respectability
Some thoughts... related to respect and respectability...
Let's just say that, today, I'm less sure that you are right than I was 1 week ago...
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:29 pm
by TCIYM
Very well stated, despite the sometimes somewhat shameless self-promotion.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:35 pm
by Countertrey
TCIYM wrote:Very well stated, despite the sometimes somewhat shameless self-promotion.
The self-promotion is totally shameless... I don't get enough attention at home.
OTOH, I AM pretty ashamed of the way my beloved Redskins are treating this man.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:51 pm
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Never say never. Playing Albert or Dock gives him a better chance to win but they don't fit what he is trying to do so....There are circumstances.
This isn't the first time SJ has made statements that he should eat less than a day later. Problem is, he just posts on as if it were still true.
I'm fine with Mike's decisions as far as both Haynesworth and Dockery are concerned - If Mike felt that either of those 2 were going to play and practice in a way that would help the product on the field they would have been included - these players did not make the effort and I'm totally fine with that
I think that Mike and Bruce are going to do whatever they think is best for the franchise going forward and I'm going with that until a better option comes along - I think that they've made mistakes and they know it but I think that we'll be better off as we get further down the road
I still think that we're better off with these guys in charge than we were last December
Maybe so, but Chief was just using AH and DD as examples. The main point was about how you said MS would never play players that don't give us the best chance to win, and he comes out later that day and says he is going into evaluation mode and starting Sexy Rexy. Just seems to me, you might acknowledge once in a while when one of your indisputable proclamations gets shot down, especially when it's less than 24 hours later.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:34 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Never say never. Playing Albert or Dock gives him a better chance to win but they don't fit what he is trying to do so....There are circumstances.
This isn't the first time SJ has made statements that he should eat less than a day later. Problem is, he just posts on as if it were still true.
I'm fine with Mike's decisions as far as both Haynesworth and Dockery are concerned - If Mike felt that either of those 2 were going to play and practice in a way that would help the product on the field they would have been included - these players did not make the effort and I'm totally fine with that
I think that Mike and Bruce are going to do whatever they think is best for the franchise going forward and I'm going with that until a better option comes along - I think that they've made mistakes and they know it but I think that we'll be better off as we get further down the road
I still think that we're better off with these guys in charge than we were last December
Maybe so, but Chief was just using AH and DD as examples. The main point was about how you said MS would never play players that don't give us the best chance to win, and he comes out later that day and says he is going into evaluation mode and starting Sexy Rexy. Just seems to me, you might acknowledge once in a while when one of your indisputable proclamations gets shot down, especially when it's less than 24 hours later.
This doesn't seem like a fair reply to Jock's point. I took his original point to mean he's not going to not play players because he doesn't like them, he'll play the ones who make the team better. Your rebuttal that since we're eliminated he's playing guys to find out who he wants to be here next year belies that to me sounds like a word parsing game rather then a real rebuttal to his point
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:53 pm
by TCIYM
KazooSkinsFan wrote:This doesn't seem like a fair reply to Jock's point. I took his original point to mean he's not going to not play players because he doesn't like them, he'll play the ones who make the team better. Your rebuttal that since we're eliminated he's playing guys to find out who he wants to be here next year belies that to me sounds like a word parsing game rather then a real rebuttal to his point
"Never" is an absolute. There is nothing to be parsed.
SkinsJock wrote:
Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
The word "never" doesn't appear, however, this is a post full of absolutes. Playing players to see who he might chose to keep or release is not necessarily playing the players who give the team the best chance to win. Let's not B.S. ourselves into believing Rex Grossman gives the Redskins the best chance of winning in Dallas. Or anywhere else, for that matter.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:47 pm
by Deadskins
KazooSkinsFan wrote:Deadskins wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Deadskins wrote:Kilmer72 wrote:SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way
Never say never. Playing Albert or Dock gives him a better chance to win but they don't fit what he is trying to do so....There are circumstances.
This isn't the first time SJ has made statements that he should eat less than a day later. Problem is, he just posts on as if it were still true.
I'm fine with Mike's decisions as far as both Haynesworth and Dockery are concerned - If Mike felt that either of those 2 were going to play and practice in a way that would help the product on the field they would have been included - these players did not make the effort and I'm totally fine with that
I think that Mike and Bruce are going to do whatever they think is best for the franchise going forward and I'm going with that until a better option comes along - I think that they've made mistakes and they know it but I think that we'll be better off as we get further down the road
I still think that we're better off with these guys in charge than we were last December
Maybe so, but Chief was just using AH and DD as examples. The main point was about how you said MS would never play players that don't give us the best chance to win, and he comes out later that day and says he is going into evaluation mode and starting Sexy Rexy. Just seems to me, you might acknowledge once in a while when one of your indisputable proclamations gets shot down, especially when it's less than 24 hours later.
This doesn't seem like a fair reply to Jock's point. I took his original point to mean he's not going to not play players because he doesn't like them, he'll play the ones who make the team better.
That wasn't his point at all. And I never said anything about not playing players because he doesn't like them. If you read the quote above, and through the other thread where we had a back and forth exchange, he talks about Mike playing players who give the Skins the best chance at winning each and every game, and gives no credence to evaluating talent. Someone brought up that specific point and the quote above was his rebuttal. He even went as far as saying anyone who thought otherwise was stupid. I know you'd love to find fault with my taking him to task for this one, but you are off base.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:40 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Deadskins wrote:KazooSkinsFan wrote:This doesn't seem like a fair reply to Jock's point. I took his original point to mean he's not going to not play players because he doesn't like them, he'll play the ones who make the team better.
That wasn't his point at all. And I never said anything about not playing players because he doesn't like them. If you read the quote above, and through the other thread where we had a back and forth exchange, he talks about Mike playing players who give the Skins the best chance at winning each and every game, and gives no credence to evaluating talent. Someone brought up that specific point and the quote above was his rebuttal. He even went as far as saying anyone who thought otherwise was stupid. I know you'd love to find fault with my taking him to task for this one, but you are off base.
OK, fair enough. But then I don't understand why the examples were AH and Dockery. That's why I thought he was referring to guys Shannahan doesn't like. For future besides QB I'd be playing guys off our bench like our receivers, Jarmon, Barnes and Fred Davis.
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:51 pm
by Bob 0119
Question; not saying it WILL happen, but what if Grossman actually does manage to pull out a win vs. The 'Pukes?
I mean, I know it's clearly not possible, but what if they somehow pull it off?
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:02 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
Bob 0119 wrote:Question; not saying it WILL happen, but what if Grossman actually does manage to pull out a win vs. The 'Pukes?
I mean, I know it's clearly not possible, but what if they somehow pull it off?
My guess is there will be an overreaction to it. Same as if we lose, just a different reaction...
Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:14 pm
by TCIYM
Bob 0119 wrote:Question; not saying it WILL happen, but what if Grossman actually does manage to pull out a win vs. The 'Pukes?
I mean, I know it's clearly not possible, but what if they somehow pull it off?
In order for that to happen, either:
Rex would have to equal his career total of touchdown passes in one game
Or
Dallas would have to self-destruct in a manner not seen since Santana Moss
And
Washington's defense would have to more or less shut Dallas down for that to be a possibility.
The Odds: About the same as Jessica Alba sitting on my face.
