Thomas and Kelly cut?

[langleyparkjoe]

They are probably busts and we should have been looking at other options as contingency plans.

If San Diego is going to go Cheapo on Jackson he needs to be brought in ASAP, for a first, or two seconds, or whatever. He is good and not old.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway can still play. To a degree.

Jackson is not worth a 2nd, let alone two or a first!

Identify another way we get a good receiver. We could draft one. How did that work out? I'd much rather give up a pick for one i know is good.

Umm, the draft. Happens every Spring, at least for teams who don't squander all their picks first. We are not a Super Bowl team looking for that one player to get us to the top. Although we've heard that line of crap before too. Be patient, hold on to our picks and develop talent. it is the only consistent way to succeed in this league.

Sorry to get off topic but just for one hot second please... since my homie said draft.. how is that WR pick for the cows working out???? ooooh LPJ that's a low blow man I know I know.. but its the cows and it makes me feel better seeing jerry so angry and upset.. ok.. back to the topic.....

[VetSkinsFan]

well i know if i wasn't more careful/lucky i could have some of those and I'm considered to be quite reputable.

If you are drinking and driving, you are not reputable, you are dangerous. You might as well walk around randomly firing a pistol.

Ok, lets just pretend I'm the only person here who has had a few and gotten behind the wheel.

OK, lets get this straight. You don't get a DUI from having a few drinks and getting behind the wheel, unless you are a woman under 150lbs and had those drinks on an empty stomach in less than a two hour stretch.

You have a six pack or more over a short period of time and then you drive. Then you do it again , and again, and again, and again...

People that get popped for a DUI don't get stopped the first time they drove drunk, they have done it numerous times. People that get stopped twice for a DUI, drink a drive A LOT! He will get another DUI.

Stop being ignorant. Your body can only process 1 average drink an hour. Regardless of how 'manly' you think you are, it's the truth. It doesn't matter how drunk you 'feel,' it's what your BAC is...and .08 here in VA and most states ain't much. When I got my DUI back in the day, I blew .10 (which was the legal limit just 12 months before I got busted. I passed the field sobriety test, but they smelled acohol on my breath and blew me and THEN I failed.

Not being ignorant and while you are correct about a body only being able to process one drink per hour you are incorrect that other factors such as weight, stomach content (when and what you ate) and gender don't impact your BAC. Your are simply flat out wrong.

If you are 240 lbs and have had 5 beers in one hour (no more just those 5) your estimated BAC would be .06 (under the limit all over the DMV).

If you are 200 you are still under at .07.

If you are 180 you are getting a DUI at .08.

If you are 140 you are at .10.

I'm 6'4", 300lbs, my BAC would be roughly .04.

So you can see you are simply wrong!!!

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

According to this http://www.bloodalcoholcalculator.org/ I could drink a six pack in an hour and still be under at .064.

If I was a woman (same weight) I would be .074 (under, but by less). If that woman was 150 she would be .165 (well over the limit!!

Now I would NEVER drive after drinking a six pack over hours, let alone one, but all the charts say I would be under if I did.

I drank less than your link suggests when I got my DUI. I'll go with personal experience.

[SkinsJock]

They (Thomas & Kelly) are probably busts and we should have been looking at other options as contingency plans.

maybe but we don't have to rush out and make a 'deal' - we are not as close to being good as some think
we were 4-12 guys and not even that good - this will take time - BUT maybe not as much time as we thought last year

If San Diego is going to go Cheapo on Jackson he needs to be brought in ASAP, for a first, or two seconds, or whatever. He is good and not old.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway can still play. To a degree.

I do not think that we are going to give up high picks and thinking that Joey has anything is a stretch

Jackson is not worth a 2nd, let alone two or a first!

I agree

Identify another way we get a good receiver. We could draft one. How did that work out? I'd much rather give up a pick for one i know is good.

that was the old FO - these guys will do much better because they know what the're doing - give them time

Umm, the draft. Happens every Spring, at least for teams who don't squander all their picks first. We are not a Super Bowl team looking for that one player to get us to the top. ....
Be patient, hold on to our picks and develop talent. it is the only consistent way to succeed in this league.

we now have guys in charge that will get back to basics and I believe will try and add draft picks before the next draft

we are not going to play that "let's just add the talent that is known" game anymore - this franchise is being rebuilt
I understand that sometimes you have to make trades but in order to get younger you also need to 'build' through the draft and I'm sure these guys will get back to that

[Deadskins]

well i know if i wasn't more careful/lucky i could have some of those and I'm considered to be quite reputable.

If you are drinking and driving, you are not reputable, you are dangerous. You might as well walk around randomly firing a pistol.

Ok, lets just pretend I'm the only person here who has had a few and gotten behind the wheel.

OK, lets get this straight. You don't get a DUI from having a few drinks and getting behind the wheel, unless you are a woman under 150lbs and had those drinks on an empty stomach in less than a two hour stretch.

You have a six pack or more over a short period of time and then you drive. Then you do it again , and again, and again, and again...

People that get popped for a DUI don't get stopped the first time they drove drunk, they have done it numerous times. People that get stopped twice for a DUI, drink a drive A LOT! He will get another DUI.

Stop being ignorant. Your body can only process 1 average drink an hour. Regardless of how 'manly' you think you are, it's the truth. It doesn't matter how drunk you 'feel,' it's what your BAC is...and .08 here in VA and most states ain't much. When I got my DUI back in the day, I blew .10 (which was the legal limit just 12 months before I got busted. I passed the field sobriety test, but they smelled acohol on my breath and blew me and THEN I failed.

Not being ignorant and while you are correct about a body only being able to process one drink per hour you are incorrect that other factors such as weight, stomach content (when and what you ate) and gender don't impact your BAC. Your are simply flat out wrong.

If you are 240 lbs and have had 5 beers in one hour (no more just those 5) your estimated BAC would be .06 (under the limit all over the DMV).

If you are 200 you are still under at .07.

If you are 180 you are getting a DUI at .08.

If you are 140 you are at .10.

I'm 6'4", 300lbs, my BAC would be roughly .04.

So you can see you are simply wrong!!!

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

According to this http://www.bloodalcoholcalculator.org/ I could drink a six pack in an hour and still be under at .064.

If I was a woman (same weight) I would be .074 (under, but by less). If that woman was 150 she would be .165 (well over the limit!!

Now I would NEVER drive after drinking a six pack over hours, let alone one, but all the charts say I would be under if I did.

I drank less than your link suggests when I got my DUI. I'll go with personal experience.

You might blow higher if you drank recently. You should have demanded a blood test.

[langleyparkjoe]

You might blow higher if you drank recently. You should have demanded a blood test.

..but to the average person we really don't know these things..feel me on that DS?

[Deadskins]

You might blow higher if you drank recently. You should have demanded a blood test.

..but to the average person we really don't know these things..feel me on that DS?

Yep.

[crazyhorse1]

They (Thomas & Kelly) are probably busts and we should have been looking at other options as contingency plans.

maybe but we don't have to rush out and make a 'deal' - we are not as close to being good as some think
we were 4-12 guys and not even that good - this will take time - BUT maybe not as much time as we thought last year

If San Diego is going to go Cheapo on Jackson he needs to be brought in ASAP, for a first, or two seconds, or whatever. He is good and not old.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway can still play. To a degree.

I do not think that we are going to give up high picks and thinking that Joey has anything is a stretch

Jackson is not worth a 2nd, let alone two or a first!

I agree

Identify another way we get a good receiver. We could draft one. How did that work out? I'd much rather give up a pick for one i know is good.

that was the old FO - these guys will do much better because they know what the're doing - give them time

Umm, the draft. Happens every Spring, at least for teams who don't squander all their picks first. We are not a Super Bowl team looking for that one player to get us to the top. ....
Be patient, hold on to our picks and develop talent. it is the only consistent way to succeed in this league.

we now have guys in charge that will get back to basics and I believe will try and add draft picks before the next draft

we are not going to play that "let's just add the talent that is known" game anymore - this franchise is being rebuilt
I understand that sometimes you have to make trades but in order to get younger you also need to 'build' through the draft and I'm sure these guys will get back to that

You keep believing that the FO wants to build the team through the draft in spite of every indication otherwise. I believe otherwise. I think Shanny and Allen will continue to behave as they have always behaved. People who rise to the top tend to continue operating as they have always operated because they think their ways work. Both Shanny and Allen will continue wheeling and dealing, trying to reclaim wrecks, pick up old and injured stars, etc. Don't expect them to be good at choosing personnel. They never have been and never will be. Shanny always overvalues his personnel and will continue to do so. Most of the players we've picked up won't work out and our drafting will continue to be without any particular merit. We are, right now, an injury away from having a terrible OL. Raubach is weak, Hicks is a career backup, our right tackle is a rookie and our left tackle will be the guy getting injured, leaving us in a jam. The job done on the OL is not adequate and our WR situation is terrible. Also, the three lineman currently running first string on defense are highly suspect. There is zero reason to think we have a solid DL. If Haynesworth doesn't shape up, we'll get stomped up the middle.

[crazyhorse1]

They (Thomas & Kelly) are probably busts and we should have been looking at other options as contingency plans.

maybe but we don't have to rush out and make a 'deal' - we are not as close to being good as some think
we were 4-12 guys and not even that good - this will take time - BUT maybe not as much time as we thought last year

If San Diego is going to go Cheapo on Jackson he needs to be brought in ASAP, for a first, or two seconds, or whatever. He is good and not old.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway can still play. To a degree.

I do not think that we are going to give up high picks and thinking that Joey has anything is a stretch

Jackson is not worth a 2nd, let alone two or a first!

I agree

Identify another way we get a good receiver. We could draft one. How did that work out? I'd much rather give up a pick for one i know is good.

that was the old FO - these guys will do much better because they know what the're doing - give them time

Umm, the draft. Happens every Spring, at least for teams who don't squander all their picks first. We are not a Super Bowl team looking for that one player to get us to the top. ....
Be patient, hold on to our picks and develop talent. it is the only consistent way to succeed in this league.

we now have guys in charge that will get back to basics and I believe will try and add draft picks before the next draft

we are not going to play that "let's just add the talent that is known" game anymore - this franchise is being rebuilt
I understand that sometimes you have to make trades but in order to get younger you also need to 'build' through the draft and I'm sure these guys will get back to that

You keep believing that the FO wants to build the team through the draft in spite of every indication otherwise. I believe otherwise. I think Shanny and Allen will continue to behave as they have always behaved. People who rise to the top tend to continue operating as they have always operated because they think their ways work. Both Shanny and Allen will continue wheeling and dealing, trying to reclaim wrecks, pick up old and injured stars, etc. Don't expect them to be good at choosing personnel. They never have been and never will be. Shanny always overvalues his personnel and will continue to do so. Most of the players we've picked up won't work out and our drafting will continue to be without any particular merit. We are, right now, an injury away from having a terrible OL. Raubach is weak, Hicks is a career backup, our right tackle is a rookie and our left tackle will be the guy getting injured, leaving us in a jam. The job done on the OL is not adequate and our WR situation is terrible. Also, the three lineman currently running first string on defense are highly suspect. There is zero reason to think we have a solid DL. If Haynesworth doesn't shape up, we'll get stomped up the middle.

[langleyparkjoe]

Crazyhorse has some great points in there

[Deadskins]

They (Thomas & Kelly) are probably busts and we should have been looking at other options as contingency plans.

maybe but we don't have to rush out and make a 'deal' - we are not as close to being good as some think
we were 4-12 guys and not even that good - this will take time - BUT maybe not as much time as we thought last year

If San Diego is going to go Cheapo on Jackson he needs to be brought in ASAP, for a first, or two seconds, or whatever. He is good and not old.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway can still play. To a degree.

I do not think that we are going to give up high picks and thinking that Joey has anything is a stretch

Jackson is not worth a 2nd, let alone two or a first!

I agree

Identify another way we get a good receiver. We could draft one. How did that work out? I'd much rather give up a pick for one i know is good.

that was the old FO - these guys will do much better because they know what the're doing - give them time

Umm, the draft. Happens every Spring, at least for teams who don't squander all their picks first. We are not a Super Bowl team looking for that one player to get us to the top. ....
Be patient, hold on to our picks and develop talent. it is the only consistent way to succeed in this league.

we now have guys in charge that will get back to basics and I believe will try and add draft picks before the next draft

we are not going to play that "let's just add the talent that is known" game anymore - this franchise is being rebuilt
I understand that sometimes you have to make trades but in order to get younger you also need to 'build' through the draft and I'm sure these guys will get back to that

You keep believing that the FO wants to build the team through the draft in spite of every indication otherwise. I believe otherwise. I think Shanny and Allen will continue to behave as they have always behaved. People who rise to the top tend to continue operating as they have always operated because they think their ways work. Both Shanny and Allen will continue wheeling and dealing, trying to reclaim wrecks, pick up old and injured stars, etc. Don't expect them to be good at choosing personnel. They never have been and never will be. Shanny always overvalues his personnel and will continue to do so. Most of the players we've picked up won't work out and our drafting will continue to be without any particular merit. We are, right now, an injury away from having a terrible OL. Raubach is weak, Hicks is a career backup, our right tackle is a rookie and our left tackle will be the guy getting injured, leaving us in a jam. The job done on the OL is not adequate and our WR situation is terrible. Also, the three lineman currently running first string on defense are highly suspect. There is zero reason to think we have a solid DL. If Haynesworth doesn't shape up, we'll get stomped up the middle.

I thought we had a pretty good draft this year, especially if you consider that we got McNabb as the #2.

[SkinsJock]

maybe I'm a glass half full guy but where ch1 and I disagree is that I think these guys have done a pretty good job so far when you consider what they imherited here - we were not a good team except that we won each and every offseason title and we had a defense that rated in the top 10 for many years but never really 'stopped other teams' when it really counted and was almost last in creating turnovers last season

we are not close as far as seeing a consistently competitive product on the field but I think they are in a lot better situation than if Snyder and Cerrato were here and still trying to buy every 'star' player available

I just am prepared to give these guys a little more time and I think that we'll see a lot of progress

it seems from all reports out of camp that all of the players (EXCEPT you know who) have bought into these new coaches and what is happening

let's give these guys a chance to show what can happen when you have guys that know what they're doing in charge

H A I L

[crazyhorse1]

They (Thomas & Kelly) are probably busts and we should have been looking at other options as contingency plans.

maybe but we don't have to rush out and make a 'deal' - we are not as close to being good as some think
we were 4-12 guys and not even that good - this will take time - BUT maybe not as much time as we thought last year

If San Diego is going to go Cheapo on Jackson he needs to be brought in ASAP, for a first, or two seconds, or whatever. He is good and not old.
Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Galloway can still play. To a degree.

I do not think that we are going to give up high picks and thinking that Joey has anything is a stretch

Jackson is not worth a 2nd, let alone two or a first!

I agree

Identify another way we get a good receiver. We could draft one. How did that work out? I'd much rather give up a pick for one i know is good.

that was the old FO - these guys will do much better because they know what the're doing - give them time

Umm, the draft. Happens every Spring, at least for teams who don't squander all their picks first. We are not a Super Bowl team looking for that one player to get us to the top. ....
Be patient, hold on to our picks and develop talent. it is the only consistent way to succeed in this league.

we now have guys in charge that will get back to basics and I believe will try and add draft picks before the next draft

we are not going to play that "let's just add the talent that is known" game anymore - this franchise is being rebuilt
I understand that sometimes you have to make trades but in order to get younger you also need to 'build' through the draft and I'm sure these guys will get back to that

You keep believing that the FO wants to build the team through the draft in spite of every indication otherwise. I believe otherwise. I think Shanny and Allen will continue to behave as they have always behaved. People who rise to the top tend to continue operating as they have always operated because they think their ways work. Both Shanny and Allen will continue wheeling and dealing, trying to reclaim wrecks, pick up old and injured stars, etc. Don't expect them to be good at choosing personnel. They never have been and never will be. Shanny always overvalues his personnel and will continue to do so. Most of the players we've picked up won't work out and our drafting will continue to be without any particular merit. We are, right now, an injury away from having a terrible OL. Raubach is weak, Hicks is a career backup, our right tackle is a rookie and our left tackle will be the guy getting injured, leaving us in a jam. The job done on the OL is not adequate and our WR situation is terrible. Also, the three lineman currently running first string on defense are highly suspect. There is zero reason to think we have a solid DL. If Haynesworth doesn't shape up, we'll get stomped up the middle.

I thought we had a pretty good draft this year, especially if you consider that we got McNabb as the #2.

Calling an eagle a horse doesn't make it a horse. Fact is, we gave up a draft pick to get McNabb, which is something Vinny would have surely done. Whether or not I like the deal is not under discussion. We gave up yet another draft pick for an aging star. Period. We also picked an offensive tackle in the first round, which is also something Vinny and everybody else would have done. Next, we picked a linebacker instead of an OL player we could have used. Not a good move, at least on the surface. Finally, we waited until the last round to address OL and
WR. I'm underwhelmed. Vinny would have done all those things. What's the difference. I'm not being especially critical of the draft, but I'm not going to give it better that a "C," which is about what most critics in the know gave it. What's all the patting on the back about. Hope, probably.
I sympathize, but Shanny and Allen haven't yet proved a thing, except they can use old stars to spike up interest in the team, just like Vinny.

[Countertrey]

I look at your arguement, CH... and I see circles...

[skinsfan#33]

well i know if i wasn't more careful/lucky i could have some of those and I'm considered to be quite reputable.

If you are drinking and driving, you are not reputable, you are dangerous. You might as well walk around randomly firing a pistol.

Ok, lets just pretend I'm the only person here who has had a few and gotten behind the wheel.

OK, lets get this straight. You don't get a DUI from having a few drinks and getting behind the wheel, unless you are a woman under 150lbs and had those drinks on an empty stomach in less than a two hour stretch.

You have a six pack or more over a short period of time and then you drive. Then you do it again , and again, and again, and again...

People that get popped for a DUI don't get stopped the first time they drove drunk, they have done it numerous times. People that get stopped twice for a DUI, drink a drive A LOT! He will get another DUI.

Stop being ignorant. Your body can only process 1 average drink an hour. Regardless of how 'manly' you think you are, it's the truth. It doesn't matter how drunk you 'feel,' it's what your BAC is...and .08 here in VA and most states ain't much. When I got my DUI back in the day, I blew .10 (which was the legal limit just 12 months before I got busted. I passed the field sobriety test, but they smelled acohol on my breath and blew me and THEN I failed.

Not being ignorant and while you are correct about a body only being able to process one drink per hour you are incorrect that other factors such as weight, stomach content (when and what you ate) and gender don't impact your BAC. Your are simply flat out wrong.

If you are 240 lbs and have had 5 beers in one hour (no more just those 5) your estimated BAC would be .06 (under the limit all over the DMV).

If you are 200 you are still under at .07.

If you are 180 you are getting a DUI at .08.

If you are 140 you are at .10.

I'm 6'4", 300lbs, my BAC would be roughly .04.

So you can see you are simply wrong!!!

http://www.ou.edu/oupd/bac.htm

According to this http://www.bloodalcoholcalculator.org/ I could drink a six pack in an hour and still be under at .064.

If I was a woman (same weight) I would be .074 (under, but by less). If that woman was 150 she would be .165 (well over the limit!!

Now I would NEVER drive after drinking a six pack over hours, let alone one, but all the charts say I would be under if I did.

I drank less than your link suggests when I got my DUI. I'll go with personal experience.

You might blow higher if you drank recently. You should have demanded a blood test.

Plus, not all beers are equal (and that is certainly true for mixed drinks). Stronger beers and mixed drinks count for more than one drink. Also, if you have an empty stomach and are dehydrated your stomach will absurb almost the entire drink right away.

My point was, there are many factors that impact BAC. It isn't one drink per hour or your over the limit (good rule to follow - should keep you safe). If you even question weather you have had too much to drink, you most likely have! Unless you are EXTREMELY unlucky - If you have been popped twice for a DUI you HAVE A SERIUS drinking problem.

When I go out, I never drink more than 24 ozs of good beer (5% alchohol) so that is like three cheep beers or two good ones or a tall draft. And I always drink on a full (read not empty) stomach (pasta soaks up alchohol and slows down your body's ability to digest it).

Heck even tailgating I will limit myself to five beers (of course they are usually 5% so that is really more like 6 beers) and I start about 2-3 hours before the game and I don't give the Danny any money during the game. So it has been at least five hours from the first and three from the last or I don't even think about leaving the game right after.

[markshark84]

I am sure this is a ploy by MS, but we'll see. I have lost my patience with Kelly, although I must say I ddin't like him the minute I heard before the draft that he is a wimp when it comes to injuries.

Kelly had a couple good plays last year, so I am pretty sure he'll make the team, but not so sure he will start.

I am just hoping that one of these two realizes exactly what they have in front of them, stops taking everything for granted, starts hustling and fullfils their potential

[KazooSkinsFan]

I think Thomas will be fine. I seen flashes of brillance last year. With that Oline we had last year. How can we really judge our receivers? It will come down to Mcnabb and who he trusts throwing to.

Malcom Kelly on the other hand? The few moments he stepped on the field he squandered most every oppurtunity he received. So I do hope he improves but I am not confident he makes it.

I agree, Thomas may not make it long term, but I think with the little competition he has he's shown enough to keep us from giving up on him yet. It may be time to move on from Kelly though. Again his best chance may be the scant opposition.