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Considering the majority opinion is that the offense needs work.

Can anyone say how Tom Tupa and Andy Groom are doing in the punting competion?

1niksder wrote:Considering the majority opinion is that the offense needs work.

Can anyone say how Tom Tupa and Andy Groom are doing in the punting competion?

Actually Andy Groom was quite impressive today. I am not saying Tupa wasn't. He was looking great. But I didn't expect some of the kicks that we saw from Groom. So it could be a competition there.

1niksder wrote:Considering the majority opinion is that the offense needs work.

Can anyone say how Tom Tupa and Andy Groom are doing in the punting competion?

Andy wants a job and he wants it bad. He was kicking the crap out of the ball.

from what i hear, the overwhelming opinion is that ramsey sucked it up. we shouldnt worry though, it was a scrimmage, our o-line hasnt practiced against a great d-line for a while, and i think, like someone else said, that they will go back and look at film and find out what's funky and fix it. its just preseason, and remember that history repeats itself--we dont win in the preseason, we win the regualr and POST seasons have faith guys, its all good just let it take its course.

I didn't see anything of the scrimmage. I just want to say, calm down guys. They just started camp. Nothing means anything until the regular season starts. We will be fine.

scrimmage = Combined practice in a game-like enviroment

PRACTICE = Something we need more of

NikiH wrote:

1niksder wrote:Considering the majority opinion is that the offense needs work.

Can anyone say how Tom Tupa and Andy Groom are doing in the punting competion?

Actually Andy Groom was quite impressive today. I am not saying Tupa wasn't. He was looking great. But I didn't expect some of the kicks that we saw from Groom. So it could be a competition there.

I gotta say, I'm a Tupa fan. I still remember when he suited up as the starting QB for a couple of games in AZ and that's a big double threat as a punter.

SkinsChic wrote:Just to let you guys know....THN is THERE as I speak. Boss, Hailskin666, Jake, NikiH, JansenFan, Jackson and Amy are all there tailgating. I'm sure they will do us proud in that crowd of Purple. I know ChrisLuvaLuva is also attending but was not sure if he had arrived when I talked to Jake.

Hail to the Redskins and Hail to thehogs.net !

OOPS ! I didn't know Amy and Hailskin666 went home. Thought they were at the game too. Sorry for the bad info

Thanks for all the input from the people that attented the scrimmage.Everyone is saying the offense played poorly and the pass blocking sucked.I'm sure that the team will be studying film hard this week and put some drills in camp to help solve the issuses.The ravens defense is one of the best, so it was a good test for us.

I meant to put that I realize that its only a scrimmage in my post, that Gibbs is secretive and yada yada yada. That being said my thoughts and opinions are still accurate. I dont believe that this scrimmage is foreshadowing our season but those who sucked and those who were good were clear.

Redskins.com is reporting Ramsey had a touchdown pass at the scrimmage, heres the link http://www.redskins.com/gameday/ .
Everthing I've read here states otherwise, what's going on?

He most certainly did not have a touchdown pass during the actual 11 on 11 drills. However he may have had one during some of the other drills they did. The Redskin's only touchdown during the 11 on 11's was thrown by Campbell.

NikiH wrote:The other thing that I'll mention is that some of our fans are total boneheads. If I bother to support a team and wear their colors I would sure as hell know who is on the team. When the announcer said "pass was intended for Rod Gardner". There were not many Redskin's fans that actually noticed. I mean come on, the dude was sent to NC quite a while ago and it was HUGE story. If you are not going to bother reading weekly news at least then take that jersey off your freaking back and give it to some who is actually a fan.

I'll remember that the rest of my life. The fan actually said "Gardner has to step it up this year or he's out of here." Boy, if that ain't an original Chris Berman then I don't know who is.

John Manfreda wrote:Another huge mistake we did this offseason was keeping Samuels, he sucks, they should have traded his ass.

You're a real piece of work. Just how would you find the cap space to trade him?

Smithian wrote:Ok... Sorry, I guess.

Talking about the scrimmage, can someone tell me who Sean Taylor hit? Even a Raven fan told me that Sean Tayl;or knocked someone really good. If anyone could tell me who it was, I'd like to use the name as a punchline. :lol

I'm almost positive it was Tellis Redman. Taylor knocked his own helmet off on that hit.

1fan4Ramsey wrote:Redskins.com is reporting Ramsey had a touchdown pass at the scrimmage, heres the link http://www.redskins.com/gameday/ .
Everthing I've read here states otherwise, what's going on?

It was during the 7-on-7 drills. Not during the 11-on-11 scrimmage.

What is wrong with our offense?

Way too much is made of this -SCRIMMAGE-. We are obviously hungry for details and ready to make predictions.

For the record, not only there is a huge gap between scrimmages and the preseason but a giant leap from preseason to REGULAR season. Many teams look marvelous in the preseason only to self-destroy in the regular season and viceversa. Losers in the preseason can become Champions.

I am more interested in the experimentation of different players and combinations of them than in the results. If Rock Cartwright did not do well, I know a couple of FBs hired this season which might do a better job. Lets give them a -CHANCE- without rushing to quick conclusions.

This is the time to experiment. It is not the time to be worried about the score.

This scrimage was more important than most people think.
The Post reported the Skins lost the game by 10 points (16-6)
while The Times showed a six point victory for the ratbirds (16-10).

To lose two game on the same afternoon is cause for panic.

How should teams like the Jaguars feel after their scrimage (intra-squad) They won and lost, should they panic during the AM practuces this week then relax during the eveing workout

Questions:
With Walt Harris and C. Rodgers inactive added to the fact that Ade is Ade, Did anyone step up at the CB position?

And

How did our Big backs looks?

Was the scrimmage on TV and if so where? Will it be rebroadcast or on tape delay? I've been poking around on line all morning and can't find it anywhere. Thanks for the help!

Redskin’s football in Baltimore was quite an experience. The site of all that purple strewn around the stadium was hard on the eyes. It was nice to see quite a bit of burgundy and gold sprinkled through out the crowd. Yesterday however, was about more then just the rivalry between these two teams. It was the first chance of the season for fans, like myself, to see their team battle. Football has officially begun and despite the lack of anything that resembled a spark for the Skins yesterday, it is very exciting.

My first impression of the scrimmage was not a great one. It is very difficult to concentrate while multiple drills are being run all over the field. I found myself feeling a little frustrated that I could not manage, no matter how hard I tried, to catch every single play or drill that was taking place. I started to concentrate on the Offense specifically because it was definitely last year’s weakness.

During the O-line one on ones I saw Jansen throw a defender to the ground. What a huge relief to see the big guy back on top of his game. That relief was extremely short lived because seeing Ray Lewis pick off Ramsey’s pass during the 7 on 7 drills just broke my heart. Ramsey is, according to reports out of Redskin’s Park, our quarterback for the season, and if he is going to have success this year, he needs to play a bit smarter. Ray Lewis is always all over the field and it is hard for any quarterback, seasoned or otherwise to miss him on every play. The Skin’s fans just did not want to see this happen during our first glimpse of Redskin’s football. Our quarterbacks did not show much mobility. Out of the three, the most mobile was definitely Brunnell, which carried bad and good news with it. The good news is that he can move out of the pocket while under pressure. The bad news seems to be that he is only capable of moving backwards. The receivers did an ok job of trying to make themselves open. There is just no chemistry there yet between Ramsey and any one receiver. However, we did see that chemistry between ey and Ramsey that we witnessed all season last year. Ramsey went 5 of 8 for 37 yards. Campbell showed an expected green performance in the beginning and did start to gather his confidence the longer he played. He does not in anyway look ready to lead a team but it is nice to see him benefit from the experience of almost live NFL football. He supplied the Redskin’s with their only touchdown during the 11 on 11 drills. After throwing an interception in the end zone, he came back and routed a short pass to Billy Baber to put 6 on the board. Rookie Nehemiah Broughton showed signs of being on the right track. Look for contributions from him during regular season play.

Special team drills brought a wonderful surprise. Punter Andy Groom is very interested in giving Tom Tupa a run for his money. His punts were right on the mark, and he was very consistent all day. If Groom does not wear burgundy and gold next year, you should fully expect to see him starting elsewhere if he continues to perform as he did on Saturday. John Hall gave his usual solid performance though Chandler was lacking just a bit with his missed field goal during the 11 on 11 drills. I do not see the contest between these two being nearly as intense as the aforementioned punter competition. On the other side of the ball, our coverage against punt returns bore an eerie resemblance to past year’s performances. There were too many gaping holes that would have allowed the Ravens to obtain great field position, had this been an actual game. The coaching staff likely recognized this as well and will be working on it in the weeks to come. Our own punt returning would not have yielded us quite the same advantage, but again I am sure this will be addressed in the weeks of practice and preseason games to come.

Our defense was lacking something as well. I fully expected to see the same intensity I saw on the field last year from this unit. In addition, with time we may see it again. It will involve having a few lesser knowns stepping up their game. Marcus Washington as always sparkled and had a sack on Boller that got the Redskin’s fan in the stadium fired up. It was nice to see that he has not lost his edge after his recent surgery. Sean Taylor showed his same aggressive play stopping tendencies we all came to love last year. The absence of Smoot and Pierce were definitely felt on the field. However, we should keep reminding ourselves that prior to their stepping up their game, we would have never known they could be such an integral part of a great defense. So, look for a few players to jump right into the roles that these two left. It is hard to determine just whom it will be at this point. That should become clear as we near regular season play.

The Ravens offense was actually quite impressive. Their back up quarterback may earn himself some playing time if he manages to produce in preseason as he did yesterday. Boller may have quite a competition on his hands should Billick notice what some of us did yesterday. Their defense as usual was on the mark. Ray Lewis seemed to be in on almost every play as usual. In addition, even Deion Sanders seemed to be able to get himself around our offensive line several times.

As a side note to the Redskin’s play on the field, I was sorely disappointed that our host team could not have properly prepared for this event. Not only were there long waits to buy tickets, pick up tickets, and to get into the stadium, but also there was obviously no research done on our roster before the game. During various plays, the announcer sited an incomplete pass to Rod Gardner and credited a tackle to Mike Barrow. I would hope if we hosted the Ravens at Fed Ex field we would have bothered to read the recent headlines regarding the team and prepared quite a bit better then they bothered to for our arrival.

On the injury front, McCants seemed to be nursing his right hand or perhaps a finger. He was seen, early in the day, jumping around on the sidelines in obvious pain while the staff tended to it. During regular play, Garnell Wilds was down on the field for an extended period of time. Ironically, they attempted a field goal, prior to getting him off of the field. I found this very disturbing for some reason. During one of the last sets of drills, Cory Raymer went down with an obvious strain on his leg. Once up, he was quick to shake it off and stand patiently on the sidelines waiting for another opportunity to get back in the action.


All in all the scrimmage was not a bad experience, keeping in mind that it is indeed nothing more then glorified practice. As a diehard fan, it was difficult to keep it lighthearted while I sat amongst a sea of nauseating purple, but it was nice to see some football regardless of the environment. But that's just one girl's opinion.

NikiH wrote:But that's just one girl's opinion.

And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the BEST chronicle of the scrimmage that I have read -anywhere- in the printed and digital media to date. Thanks A LOT.

What are these guys at the THN Hogs media empire waiting to give you a shot to write an Exlusive article? Guys, grab her! She might be recruited elswhere if you do not hurry up!

I know, RIC, you could be right. She could end up at...

...ExtremeSkins.com.

Man, that hurt to type.

Why are they going to start actually having articles at ES?

Great report Nik, thanks. We'll see about working another writer in, though right now, we struggle to manage all that we have to, as it is. That has nothing to do with Niki, and everything to do with time management.

... but Niki knows that as her husband is the content manager and largest content contributor.

THN media empire? We're not media... just ask the Redskins. Over 500 articles written doesn't mean a hill of beans to these guys... they didn't even give us a sniff at media access for training camp. So we get to see all the jerkoffs with their VIP passes tossing footballs and not even watching practices while we stand behind the rope and wonder why we knock ourselves out to try and support a team that gives very little support to some of it's biggest supporters BECAUSE we are fans. A lot of the 'mainstream' media write 'great' write-ups from their tents without watching much of practice at all. I even had the pleasure of hearing one journalist say to another to 'watch out for their new article coming out this weekend... a vicious attack' on one of the Redskin players. I won't name names or fill in blanks to avoid persecution, but it sure is easy to see why the Redskins give these guys access as opposed to someone like THN. They must be just tickled about writers actually getting off on the venom they spew.

... but don't get me started, after all this is a thread about the scrimmage.

And for the record... that is the most comprehensive review of yesterday by far... not even close. Nobody else even mentioned Raymer either... not even Redskins.com in their list of injuries from yesterday. I'm hoping that it was just a cramp and perhaps not 'that' worthy of mentioning, but it was an unreported incident nevertheless. Kudos to niki for noting it.

Maybe someone could back Samuels or McCants into a corner and get some "help" getting website recognition?

I left a few things out, lack of running plays or a running game for that matter. And the fact that Derrick Dockery looked like he'd borrowed Portis's jersey because it didn't quite fit him.

NikiH wrote:And the fact that Derrick Dockery looked like he'd borrowed Portis's jersey because it didn't quite fit him.

Say that again?

Guys relax we had players out on both sides of the ball. Chris Samuels did not play so that can have a domino effect on the whole offense! This was the first contact with someone other than our own team, relax it was what it was a SCRIMMAGE not even a preseason game a SCRIMMAGE so just wait until we play Carolina on Saturday OK!