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Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:00 pm
by oafusp
Maybe he skipped the "Proper Shooting at Thugs" lesson during the day he skipped the NFL rookie seminar.
What a jack ass.
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:50 am
by SirSmizzy
According to the Washington Times, Redskins' safety Sean Taylor may face a minimum of three years in prison if he is found guilty of aggravated assault with a firearm. The Florida statute that deals with use of firearms was re-written in 1999 to be more strict, and a felony conviction under that law would require at least a minimum of three years. Aggravated assault with a firearm is one of just three felonies under the law that qualify for a loophole. The other 15 crimes covered require ten years.
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:24 pm
by oafusp
Whats the over/under that Taylor is going to blame this on the media....and won't talk to the media in 2005?
He'll ask his spokesman (Clinton Portis) to have a press conference and announce that the media is reporting the police station reports incorrectly to make Taylor look bad.
Riiiight?
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:21 pm
by stwasm
Well put, JP. It's time to stand up to these spoiled brats and let them know that they need to take responsibility for their actions and that their actions have consequences.
Posted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:16 pm
by ANT7088
stwasm wrote:Well put, JP. It's time to stand up to these spoiled brats and let them know that they need to take responsibility for their actions and that their actions have consequences.
I agree too, but let's start this new rule after this Sean Taylor thing!
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:12 am
by GibbSkins
Taylor Is Excused From Mini-Camp
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
June 6, 2005
The Redskins released a statement on Monday saying that safety Sean Taylor has been excused from attending the remainder of the team's voluntary off-season workouts as well as the June 17-19 mini-camp.
Taylor is involved in a legal matter in Miami.
"As an organization, we feel it's better for Sean to concentrate on these personal issues and hopefully get this squared away for him," head coach Joe Gibbs said.
The full text of the statement is as follows:
"Everyone here is aware of the situation involving Sean Taylor this past week in Miami.
"The League has a Personal Conduct Policy that governs this type of situation and we will be discussing the matter with League officials. All questions regarding the League's Personal Conduct Policy should be directed to the League Office.
"With that in mind, we have informed Sean's agent that, as of today, Sean is excused from participating in the remainder of the club's voluntary off-season workout program and the upcoming mandatory mini-camp beginning on June 17.
"As an organization, the Redskins believe that it is in Sean's best interest to focus on his personal and legal issues at this time."
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:38 am
by BernieSki
I want to look at this from the other side, Sean Taylors. If at the age of 22, someone stole two of my ATV's and I knew who it was, I would also have gone over and kick their $$$, witout the gun of course. I am a few years older now and I have out grown that, but when I was 22 years old I did stupid things without thinking about the consequences. He should have called the police to report that the ATVs had been stolen and that he knew who had them. He is still a boy in a mans body playing a mans game. It is foolish of me to judge someone who did something that many of us would have also done the same way. Yes he is pro football player but he is also a young man who has yet to mature. I hope he will learn a lesson from this and somehow become the football player on and off the field that us Redskins fans had envisioned.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:43 am
by oafusp
BernieSki wrote:I want to look at this from the other side, Sean Taylors. If at the age of 22, someone stole two of my ATV's and I knew who it was, I would also have gone over and kick their $$$, witout the gun of course. I am a few years older now and I have out grown that, but when I was 22 years old I did stupid things without thinking about the consequences. He should have called the police to report that the ATVs had been stolen and that he knew who had them. He is still a boy in a mans body playing a mans game. It is foolish of me to judge someone who did something that many of us would have also done the same way. Yes he is pro football player but he is also a young man who has yet to mature. I hope he will learn a lesson from this and somehow become the football player on and off the field that us Redskins fans had envisioned.
This is covered in the Rookie Symposium....that he skipped (only player to do so). Also, would not happen if he was at Redskin Park with 79 other players. There is no excuse for this. 110% Taylors fault.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:55 am
by Redskin in Canada
oafusp wrote:This is covered in the Rookie Symposium....that he skipped (only player to do so).
I hear the classroom "thing" is not the strongest at "The U".
Lots of athletes get degrees there without having to put up with that -foolishness-.
What is Sean's degree on??? Just curious.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:00 am
by BernieSki
That is the nice part about ths site, we can agree to disagree. I have done may of the same things when I was younger, and would bet many of you have as well. I knew that they were not right but I still did them anyway. I have learned my lessons and Sean Taylor will as well. He will get past this and so will everyone else once ST steps on the field and hits some Cowboy comming across the middle so hard that his whole team feels it.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:08 am
by Deadskins
I think Gibbs handling of this is genius. By excusing Sean from practice, it make Gibbs seem as if he is looking out for Sean's best intersts. And he is. But this also should get Sean's attention and compell respect for his coach (we would hope), especially in light of how Sean has handled the offseason to this point. This sends a powerfull message to the rest of the team that Joe has their back, while at the same time removing the distraction from the team during those practices. He also gains power over Sean in future contract negotiations. Finally, he lays the punishment of Sean off on the NFL. Brilliant!
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:19 am
by DaveSkin
BernieSki wrote:I want to look at this from the other side, Sean Taylors. If at the age of 22, someone stole two of my ATV's and I knew who it was, I would also have gone over and kick their $$$, witout the gun of course. I am a few years older now and I have out grown that, but when I was 22 years old I did stupid things without thinking about the consequences. He should have called the police to report that the ATVs had been stolen and that he knew who had them. He is still a boy in a mans body playing a mans game. It is foolish of me to judge someone who did something that many of us would have also done the same way. Yes he is pro football player but he is also a young man who has yet to mature. I hope he will learn a lesson from this and somehow become the football player on and off the field that us Redskins fans had envisioned.
22 years old. Some "kids" have been serving in our military for 4 years by the time they reach the age of 22. They make a hell of a lot less than this guy does too. This kid's been given a gift of athletic talent that few people have. I think he's a spoiled young man who has gotten his way from the moment his athletic abilities became obvious, plain and simple.
I was really excited about him becoming a 'Skin. Now I hope he never wears the uniform again and that we can recover some of the signing bonus. I think a 3 year jail term is the BEST thing that can happen for him personally. We'd be losing a tremendous physical talent but this "kid" has to learn that it's not acceptable to lead his life this way.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:09 pm
by BernieSki
I guess I have a question, what has Sean Taylor done as a football player other then become one the best players on our team? He has missed some OPTIONAL team activities, now the Redskins would like to think that they are manditory but the fact remains they are OPTIONAL. In my opinion he have been with his team. As long as he continues to produce at a high level on the field how much does his off field activities matter? Also I think it is fair to point out that his teammates seem to like him and would like to have him on the team. Just a thought.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:46 pm
by Michaelf382
BernieSki,
Im sorry but I will politely disagree. His actions off the field matter immensely. he cant produce for us when he is in jail. Also, very few can party like rockstars and still be in prime shape to play this game. Your comment, to me, was about the equivelent of saying " as long as a priest is leading his congregation, as soon as he takes off his vestments he can do whatever he pleases. No. He not only represents himself but even bigger the, church not only locally, but worldwide. WHy do you think the 1% of priests in the catholic church have tainted the church so badly with the molestation scandal. Image is everything, especially when you have millions of little kids trying to mimic your every move. Too many people care about the money they make and not about the difference they CAN make. His actions were simpley selfish and stupid. Like i said before, taking the law into your own hands leads to anarchy and chaos. Call the cops and let them arrest the people for stealing his 3,000 atv which he could buy 1 every day if he wanted.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:20 pm
by DaveSkin
BernieSki wrote:I guess I have a question, what has Sean Taylor done as a football player other then become one the best players on our team? ...
If football was all about athletic prowess alone then it would be no big deal. Football is a team sport. If he's not going to these OTAs then he's not working on fundamentals, not getting to know his fellow DBs, not learning to understand the changes that Greg Williams will be putting into the defense. The OTAs for the 'Skins are only missing 1 person right now and that's Sean Taylor. Every other player is out there busting their butt to become a better football player. Let me put it to you this way: How much better a football player would he be if he was really committed to this team?
This guy's not even returning Joe Gibbs' phone calls! If he's completely ignoring him in the off-season, what will he do during the regular season? Maybe he'll just ignore a call that requires him to play a specific zone, try to make a big play and then get burned. Oh wait, that happened last year. It was forgivable last year because he was a rookie and still learning the NFL. What will his excuse be this year?
I'm not trying to come down on you BernieSki, I just don't see how Sean Taylor can be defended at all. He can either be an example to the other players in the NFL of what to do or what not to do.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:37 pm
by JPFair
guess I have a question, what has Sean Taylor done as a football player other then become one the best players on our team? He has missed some OPTIONAL team activities, now the Redskins would like to think that they are manditory but the fact remains they are OPTIONAL. In my opinion he have been with his team. As long as he continues to produce at a high level on the field how much does his off field activities matter? Also I think it is fair to point out that his teammates seem to like him and would like to have him on the team. Just a thought.
I'll tell you what he's done! He's violated team rules. Joe Gibbs has ONE team rule, i.e. Don't embarrass yourself or the Redskins. Sean Taylor has violated that rule. Notwhithstanding his criminal charges, he will be penalized for violating the team rules, as well as the NFL's own rule of conduct that is deemed detrimental to the league. It's not looking pretty for Sean Taylor from any angle, NFL, Redskins, or the Judicial System. He's not in a good position right now. He needs all the help he can get.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:29 pm
by Redskin in Canada
BernieSki wrote:He will get past this and so will everyone else once ST steps on the field and hits some Cowboy comming across the middle so hard that his whole team feels it.
Maybe. But not for the reason you mention. He MIGHT get over this hurdle IF and only IF he changes as a person and gets his act together.
No, Joe, the coaches, the front office, and the fans will not forget the trail of incidents unless he demonstrates on and off-field behaviour that is consistent with our expectations.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:44 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
BernieSki wrote:I guess I have a question, what has Sean Taylor done as a football player other then become one the best players on our team? He has missed some OPTIONAL team activities, now the Redskins would like to think that they are manditory but the fact remains they are OPTIONAL. In my opinion he have been with his team. As long as he continues to produce at a high level on the field how much does his off field activities matter? Also I think it is fair to point out that his teammates seem to like him and would like to have him on the team. Just a thought.
So what that is voluntary? In the REAL WORLD us common folk must go the extra mile to get a pay raise (new contract).
I can't sit at home and tell my boss that Im not coming to work without a pay raise.
IF that loser wanted a pay raise he should have put his best foot forward. Get your behind to camp, work on the crap that lost us the dallas game. Work on the playbook, study it. Build stronger relationships with your teammates. Grows as a person.
Oh no, he didn't do that. He stayed in flordia because he's immature and was being self destructive. Those ATV's that he owns don't turn on by themselves. Obviously he has a bit of K2-itus and put him self in risk of being injured, but he took it a step further.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:21 pm
by screwgun
it would be great if it all works out. We shall see
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:35 am
by crazyhorse1
From what I understand of Florida law, Taylor is facing a minimim sentencing law that would put him in jail for three years. That would cost him nine million in salary and bonus money.
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:45 am
by 1niksder
crazyhorse1 wrote:From what I understand of Florida law, Taylor is facing a minimim sentencing law that would put him in jail for three years. That would cost him nine million in salary and bonus money.
Who have you been talking to?
The fact Taylor didn't fire any shots could be crucial because of Florida's "10-20-Life" law. By not discharging the weapon, Taylor could face a mandatory minimum sentence of just three years rather than 20.
The "10-20-Life" law was instituted in 1999 as part of Gov. Jeb Bush's effort to get tough on crime. The law set minimum sentences of 10 years if a gun is present when certain crimes are committed, 20 years if the gun is fired and 25 years to life if someone is shot.
Taylor is subject to the "10" level, but aggravated assault is one of three crimes that qualifies for just a three-year minimum sentence. The loophole closes at the "20" level, meaning he could have faced 17 more years in jail if he had fired the gun, even if the shots went nowhere near the victims.
Mandatory minimum laws are fairly common across the country and often controversial. "10-20-Life," for example, appears to have deterred crime, but state attorney Barry Krischer said the 10-year penalty can be "Draconian," according to the Palm Beach Post.
The state attorney's office was not able to confirm whether "10-20-Life" would be applied in Taylor's case. A spokesman said that would be left up to the prosecuting attorney.
http://www.washtimes.com/sports/2005060 ... -9397r.htm