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langleyparkjoe wrote:This thread has gone in every possible direction.. I nominate this thing gets locked off now.

A thread in smack in direct relation to this thread has been made.. let's continue it there.

Better for everyone if we just follow the rules and deal with the subject of this thread here and the poster in this one

1niksder wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:This thread has gone in every possible direction.. I nominate this thing gets locked off now.

A thread in smack in direct relation to this thread has been made.. let's continue it there.

Better for everyone if we just follow the rules and deal with the subject of this thread here and the poster in this one

*sigh*.. Yea I know I know.. but 18 flippin pages of the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over... See? That's what it feels like.

langleyparkjoe wrote:

1niksder wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:This thread has gone in every possible direction.. I nominate this thing gets locked off now.

A thread in smack in direct relation to this thread has been made.. let's continue it there.

Better for everyone if we just follow the rules and deal with the subject of this thread here and the poster in this one

*sigh*.. Yea I know I know.. but 18 flippin pages of the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over... See? That's what it feels like.

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First of all this team does not need to tank as LaVar Arrington said on the radio "They tank naturally." As I have previously stated this is a 4-6 win team this year and I think that is largely in fact due to us playing a schedule that includes Carolina, Buffalo, Seattle, Arizona, SF, Miami and Minnesota. We are finally rebuilding this franchise which has been long overdue.

What I am saying is I accept as a realistic fan and one who studies the NFL relentlessly based upon our teams lack of talent and obvious holes on our roster that we are a 4-6 win team. Regardless of how many people on this board are going to pop a boner for Chris Chester who is a career backup for the Ravens and has only started as many games as he had due to injuries to Jared Gaither. I have seen Chester play and he is terrible he is not much of an upgrade over Casey Rabach who was one of the worst centers in the NFL Last year.

Our offensive line gave up 110 QB hits last year the most in the NFL and 46 sacks and we are returning the same offensive line that started most of last season except for the addition of Chester. We have an unproven running game and our #2 WR going into this season is Jabar Gaffney? Well that beats a washed up 38 year old Joey Galloway last year who MS brought in (who many of you appoint as a coach we have to keep) 12 total catches until he was demoted behind Armstrong and eventually cut. Santana Moss is no longer a #1 WR in this league he is 32 years old and does not have the explosiveness he once had. I realize he caught 93 balls last year but he also is a injured hammy away from being out of the lineup. ey's knee might never be right this year and I realize that Fred Davis can step in and produce but if we lose ey and or he is not 100% this year that will be a huge blow to an offense that already lacks playmakers. John Beck who the Shanahan clowns are in love with. Who Frankly flat out sucks. 2 of the best NFL personnel evaluators Bill Parcells and Ozzie Newsome said no thanks on Beck to even being on their respective rosters. They both said he wasnt good enough to be even a 2nd or 3rd string QB and the Shanahans think he can be an effective starting QB? Is this some sort of joke? The Ravens traded John Beck to us essentially for a sack of nickels ala Doug Dutch a corner who was on our practice squad and is now out of the NFL. I fully trust Ozzie Newsome and Bill Parcells in their abilities to evaluate talent.

Our offense scored 18.9 pts per game last year I realistically expect us to average around 16 pts a game this year. No team in the NFL will win very many games with such a putrid offense unless you have the 1885 Bears or the 2000 Ravens Defense. (SORRY everyone but there is no way possible that we will have a defense like that)

Instead of winning those 4-6 games win 2 and land Andrew Luck. This season as many of you can not accept is really over before it even has started and that is fine. I will take one more awful year in order to gain a valuable addition in Andrew Luck to build around. Which in the future we will have a much higher chance of being a playoff and SuperBowl contender. Ofcourse you need more than just a franchise QB to do this. In order for that to happen Daniel Snyder needs to not meddle, (I still believe to some extent he does) We need to have continuity with our coaching staff and establish a team identity. (Many posters on here are assuming that we MS, KS, Haslett and possibly also Bruce Allen will be canned if we go 2-14 this. I actually think that is false. I also have no idea why many of you posters are so sold on this coaching staff as being the future staff of the Redskins. We need to build through the draft and to sign FA's that only fit our scheme. Do not mold players into the scheme you want to play, only bring in players that are comfortable in your scheme. We need to add youth which we finally done, more depth and not have any team cancers in the locker room (Ala Haynesworthless). That is how you're sucessful in the NFL. Many of you posters pointed to Dan Marino who is obviously one of the best QB's of all time as never having one of a ring. Let me ask you something was that Marino's fault they never won a ring? OR did their GM and NFL personnel not put enough talent around Marino to win one? I will point out that Dan never had a solid RB. The answer is obvious. Marino gave them every chance to win a ring, it was their football personnel staff that failed them.

One poster discussed how our 3-4 defense is close to becoming a top 10 defense in this league? I am sorry to burst your bubble but currently there is no concrete evidence and/or justifiable facts to support that claim. Let me remind you that it was Haslett's decision to switch from a 4-3 to a 3-4 and last year it was a disaster as we ranked 31st in yards allowed in the NFL. Many of you will say we did not have the right personnel to play in a 3-4 last year with guys like Haynesworthless and declining Andre Carter that is fine I agree with you. However just because we signed an undersized NT in Barry Cofield who has not played NT since college does not mean he will become an instant force at the position. Then lets look at Stephen Bowen who in limited starting time due to an injury to Marcus Spears played solid for the cowboys. Lets see how he does a full time starter. We only had 29 sacks as a team last year where is the pass rush going to come from outside of Orapko and Carriker? No one knows how Kerrigan will play as a rookie? Keep in mind again another player at Iowa who played in a 4-3 is now switching over to a 3-4. London Fletcher is a beast but now at 36 years old he will eventually slow down and we only resigned Rocky McIntosh out of desperation because our genius Defensive coordinator (Insert Sarcasm here) Deemed Perry Riley unready to start. Landry achilles is still acting up and if he is missing from our secondary we are really in trouble there. OJ Atowge is a nice addition and obviously an upgrade over crappy Kareem Moore (PUP List) and Chris Horton. Lets also keep in mind that we have De'Angelo Hall as our #1 Corner which he hardly is. Lets face the facts on MeAngelo Hall last year statistically he gave up the 3rd Most, let me repeat that the 3rd most yards of any corner in the league last year. QB's know they can abuse him because of all the gambles he takes which leads to an inflated # of Picks for him and why some fans are all on his jockstrap. He can't cover and is a joke as a tackler. Josh Wilson was a very solid signing by the best FA signing we had. No knocks on that.

Overall it is asking a lot for a defense with limited practice time due to the lockout and 5 new starters to instantly gel and be successful.

One finally note we have decided to bring back Graham Gano who missed the most FG's in the NFL last year. For an offense that is going to struggle to score TD's it certainly isn't going to help to have a unreliable and crappy kicker.

2-14 Bank it.

It's like watching a car wreck, really. You want to look away... but you can't.

Countertrey I just stated my reasons for why this team will go 2-14.

Will be better than last year...Luck or no luck.

RedskinsRule56 wrote:One poster discussed how our 3-4 defense is close to becoming a top 10 defense in this league?

IF this was directed at a post I made - please let me clarify this word "close"

I do think that this defense will be a top 10 rated defense - not this coming season and maybe not next but VERY soon

I think that is a huge deal considering where we were recently defensively



You probably were trying to make more out of my post than really existed and I can understand you tying to grasp at any straw to make your points BECAUSE you are standing on quicksand with this 'forecast for disaster'


You may have mean't some other poster BUT if it was me, I Just wanted to be CLEAR with this

I cannot wait to see this group of players and coaches show some of these fans how this franchise is improving and how successful a group of players can be when they just play together

I'd love to get Andrew Luck but I know that this FO and these coaches can put a consistently competitive product on the field each week

Hopefully Andrew Luck is EVEN a part of the NFL next season

One thing for sure is the Washington Redskins will be a consistently competitive group of players each and every week next season, with OR without Andrew Luck

GOTTA LOVE IT

Dumb threads die hard.

Why do we need a "superstar" QB to build this team around? I dont think our record lands us in the Luck lottery this year. If we did throw our hat in, it would probably cost us multiple #1's and a few other high picks. We dont have that luxury yet.

Why not a servicable, system QB (which is what I believe the Shannahans want). The other QB's in our division arent what I would consider superstars (maybe Vick) But f we can get a guy like Beck to play on a level similar to Hasselbeck or Delhomme for 5 years, It allows us to remain competitive and still build this team. Beck maybe just as good as Romo and Eli MAYBE, time will tell.

No matter who the QB is - these coaches AND players are going to try & be better each & every practice, each & every game

this FO will CONTINUE to add to the mix and ensure we are better, each & every practice, each & every game

I doubt that Grossman or Beck are going to be GREAT but they will help this franchise & this offense or they will not be on the field

There were no better options at the QB position available either through the draft or free agency

Mike & Bruce will take care of that soon



I totally agree that this poster is a troll - it's obvious that he does not have our best interests in mind

This is NOT a REAL Redskins fan - NO WAY

jmooney wrote:Beck maybe just as good as Romo and Eli

That's a pretty low bar.

We have a better shot at getting Elway to UN-retire than getting Andrew Luck... I think we will get to .500 wins this year.

I agree that comparing Beck to Eli or Romo sets the bar fairly low. I would consider those two to be serviceable QB's. And if Beck is just as good that gives us a shot in the division.

Just taking a look at how the Shanahans run the program, I dont think they want a Marquis QB. Call it arrogance or whatever

Im just saying Beck has a better chance to be a solid system QB like Hasselbeck was for years in Seattle , rather than the next big thing.

I personnaly would be OK with that for the next few years while we put the rest of the team together.

of course Im basing that on pre-season, right now I think we look like a legit 8-8 team. A month ago, I couldnt honestly say that. 8-8 dont get us Andrew Luck, but who knows, theres always some college QB every year that makes a big splash.

We are not going to be really good but I really think that we've improved enough to be able to win some games and we do NOT have a difficult schedule

I don't think that Shanahan thinks that Beck or Grossman are going to be more than caretakers here until they can bring in another QB
AND then get him ready - that will take a little time

We may not get a GREAT QB next season but we will have one here soon

Beck is going to be OK - NOT great - Grossman is still Grossman