Free Agency discussion

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

Meh. I've got nothing against Colt McCoy but if he's playing we're screwed. I'd have probably gone with a 4th round draft pick. It worked out pretty well the last time.

lol. I don't remember you being such a negative poster. Off season got you down?

And I still expect the team to take a QB late in the draft.

The Capitals were off so I made the mistake of watching the Wizards last night. Talk about things that will put people in a foul mood. Not to mention, I'd pay good money for someone to go punch Chris Not-So-C00ley in the mouth right about now. What the hell is this guy's problem? Bitter much? Yea, I'm not expecting much in the way of "We really got that guy!?!" type moves. I see a lot of "Who?" type just a guy signings. I'd love to see what Scot McCloughan would do with the kind of cap space the Raiders had. Maybe next year.

[StorminMormon86]

I'd pay good money for someone to go punch Chris Not-So-C00ley in the mouth right about now.

Why?

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

I'd pay good money for someone to go punch Chris Not-So-C00ley in the mouth right about now.

Why?

Because he's talking a lot of crap about a player who isn't even relevant to D.C. sports anymore, much as he hasn't been relevant to D.C. sports in years. It's about as low class as a person can get to wait until someone is gone before a character assassination so the person has no chance of defending himself. I'm not a RGIII guy. I've wanted him gone for two years. But C00ley is a dick. And RGIII is a nice guy who won't tell C00ley to go screw himself.

[StorminMormon86]

I'd pay good money for someone to go punch Chris Not-So-C00ley in the mouth right about now.

Why?

Because he's talking a lot of crap about a player who isn't even relevant to D.C. sports anymore, much as he hasn't been relevant to D.C. sports in years. It's about as low class as a person can get to wait until someone is gone before a character assassination so the person has no chance of defending himself. I'm not a RGIII guy. I've wanted him gone for two years. But C00ley is a dick. And RGIII is a nice guy who won't tell C00ley to go screw himself.

Character assassination? LOL

C00ley was asked a question about the relationship. The TL;DR version: working relationship, but contentious because of competition. Then went on to explain that QB's on ANY team spend 75% of their time together in meetings without speaking to one another so there's no wonder that there was never a real relationship to begin with. Don't believe the click bait headlines. C00ley essentially said nothing that wasn't already known, and even said that the fact that they weren't friends wasn't even relevant. And he was asked about it. With regards to the teammates not liking Griffin, that was (not surprisingly) taken out of context. He was talking about the frustration growing with teammates not being able to excel on their own due to the inabilities of Griffin to play QB on a professional level.

C00ley is not a dick for speaking the truth.

[DarthMonk]

^^^^

I distinctly remember o-linemen not helping Griff get up and at least one WR throwing him under the bus.

[DEHog]

Meh. I've got nothing against Colt McCoy but if he's playing we're screwed. I'd have probably gone with a 4th round draft pick. It worked out pretty well the last time.

lol. I don't remember you being such a negative poster. Off season got you down?

And I still expect the team to take a QB late in the draft.

The Capitals were off so I made the mistake of watching the Wizards last night. Talk about things that will put people in a foul mood. Not to mention, I'd pay good money for someone to go punch Chris Not-So-C00ley in the mouth right about now. What the hell is this guy's problem? Bitter much? Yea, I'm not expecting much in the way of "We really got that guy!?!" type moves. I see a lot of "Who?" type just a guy signings. I'd love to see what Scot McCloughan would do with the kind of cap space the Raiders had. Maybe next year.

Save your money we have a volunteer...

Get this BUM Chris ey off the radio and tv please... don't worry still got property in VA when I see him Ima smack the *sh$t* out of him

— Brian Orakpo (@rak98) March 9, 2016

[SkinsJock]

#47 may not be a "dick" for what he says - he's certainly a HUGE "dick" for bringing it up at this time

when asked about this, he could easily have said "it's time to move on ... "

[SkinsJock]

While I’m keeping one eye on free agency, the other eye is squarely on the Cousins negotiations.
With the price for Oswieler increasing to the 15-16 mil range and the Skins clearing cap room it make you wonder?? Going to be very interesting to see how GMSM plays this one!!

Osweiler looks like he's going to play for the Texans ... 3 years & $45M

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ith-texans

[riggofan]

#47 may not be a "dick" for what he says - he's certainly a HUGE "dick" for bringing it up at this time

when asked about this, he could easily have said "it's time to move on ... "

Gotta disagree, man. Think you're a little misguided on this one. #47 isn't just a former player. He's a radio host and commentator here in DC. On Monday when RG3 was finally released, every radio show in town spent considerable time talking about Griffin. Would have been pretty boring if he just said "its time to move on" and left it at that.

Nothing dickish about doing his job. And he's not the first former Redskin around here willing to be blunt and honest in his opinions. Brian Mitchell doesn't pull his punches either and says whatever the f*** he thinks. Both of those guys have earned the right to speak their minds IMO.

[riggofan]

While I’m keeping one eye on free agency, the other eye is squarely on the Cousins negotiations.
With the price for Oswieler increasing to the 15-16 mil range and the Skins clearing cap room it make you wonder?? Going to be very interesting to see how GMSM plays this one!!

Osweiler looks like he's going to play for the Texans ... 3 years & $45M

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ith-texans

$72m for 4 years. $18m a year. Cousins' strong hand just got stronger.

[riggofan]

Thought this was good today.q

[Burgundy&GoldForever]

While I’m keeping one eye on free agency, the other eye is squarely on the Cousins negotiations.
With the price for Oswieler increasing to the 15-16 mil range and the Skins clearing cap room it make you wonder?? Going to be very interesting to see how GMSM plays this one!!

Osweiler looks like he's going to play for the Texans ... 3 years & $45M

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ith-texans

$72m for 4 years. $18m a year. Cousins' strong hand just got stronger.

I'm betting he plays on the tag. No contract talks until the end of the season. No chance he takes less than Brock Effin' Osweiler and no reason the Redskins should pay him that without seeing more than one season which resulted in a first round playoff loss. If you want $20 million a year you better prove you can win a playoff game. There isn't one QB in the league making that kind of money that hasn't.

[SkinsJock]

everyone with any sense knows that the Osweiller deal is completely out of whack ...

Cousins is dealing with a FO that knows what it is doing and this stupid deal is not affecting the negotiations at all - NO WAY

If Cousins camp thinks he's worth $20M, he should play the season out (like BG&F said) ...

I think he signs the deal - he knows he's not a $20M QB

I'd LOVE for him to not sign the deal and have a huge year - I just don't think he's going to risk it

[SkinsJock]

#47 may not be a "dick" for what he says - he's certainly a HUGE "dick" for bringing it up at this time
when asked about this, he could easily have said "it's time to move on ... "

Gotta disagree, man. Think you're a little misguided on this one. #47 isn't just a former player. He's a radio host and commentator here in DC. On Monday when RG3 was finally released, every radio show in town spent considerable time talking about Griffin. Would have been pretty boring if he just said "its time to move on" and left it at that.

Nothing dickish about doing his job. And he's not the first former Redskin around here willing to be blunt and honest in his opinions. Brian Mitchell doesn't pull his punches either and says whatever the f*** he thinks. Both of those guys have earned the right to speak their minds IMO.

fair enough - I think he's piling on and there are a number of other players on the 2012 team that disagree ...

this report today from the media = Chris discussing Griffin ...

"He's the [bleeping] leader of this football team," Co0ley said at the time. "I can honestly say that. He's so real. There's no B.S. This is who he is. I sit next to him in the team meetings, and there isn't a guy on the team he doesn't have a relationship with. Not one."

Maybe Co0ley's just mad because he only caught one pass in 2012, which ended up being his final year in the NFL.

so what really happened Chris?

[SkinsJock]

BOT - I am so happy that we're not reading reports about how many free agents we're bring in and how it's going to address all our issues ...

this is going to be an interesting few months ...


btw - seems that some franchises are still being managed by idiots ... why would any GM bring in a QB like Griffin for any amount of money when according to some here he cannot possibly manage an NFL offense except maybe as a QB for the scout team ....

[StorminMormon86]

Brian Mitchell doesn't pull his punches either and says whatever the f*** he thinks.

BMitch pretty much echoed C00ley's statements for the past 2 years now. Not a word was spoken about him being a "dick" or Niles Paul calling him "lame as F---".

[riggofan]

Brian Mitchell doesn't pull his punches either and says whatever the f*** he thinks.

BMitch pretty much echoed C00ley's statements for the past 2 years now. Not a word was spoken about him being a "dick" or Niles Paul calling him "lame as F---".

Yep. I personally enjoy these players who will come out and speak honestly about the team instead of constantly trying to make sure they're on Snyder's VIP guest list. No better example of that than #44.

[SkinsJock]

it takes all types - some people have class and some have none, some have a lot and some have a little ...

Chris is just showing what he's got ... and those that support him are putting themselves in that same class

[riggofan]

I'm betting he plays on the tag. No contract talks until the end of the season. No chance he takes less than Brock Effin' Osweiler and no reason the Redskins should pay him that without seeing more than one season which resulted in a first round playoff loss. If you want $20 million a year you better prove you can win a playoff game. There isn't one QB in the league making that kind of money that hasn't.

I'm going to throw this out one more time that we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot by thinking we're going to wait, make Cousins prove it, etc; The money is what it is, and what happened with Denver and Osweiler kind of proves it. You play this game with players and let them get to free agency, there is ALWAYS going to be some team with a ridiculous amount of cap space that they have to use up. Denver was offering what, $13m/yr to Osweiler? He got to FA and signed for $18m/yr with the Texans.

My argument is that it would have been a better gamble to make a competitive $16m/yr offer to a QB that they know and like. Now he's gone and they're talking about Hoyer? Kaepernick? Griffin?

I think a week ago we probably could have gotten Cousins for $18m/yr on a 3 or 4 year contract. Now? Doubt that. He outperformed Osweiler last year. Why accept anything less?

If you think Cousins was a one season wonder, then OK. But if you think he can continue to play at least as well as he did last year, we should have gotten something done already.

Say what you want about the Eagles' dumb moves this off season. They were smart about getting deals done with their own UFAs before we got to free agency and the numbers started getting stupid.

[riggofan]

it takes all types - some people have class and some have none, some have a lot and some have a little ...

Chris is just showing what he's got ... and those that support him are putting themselves in that same class

You're offended because you didn't like what he said about a player that you like.

Nothing to do with class.

Anyone who listens to Sonny, Doc and C00ley on Sunday's game broadcasts knows how that guy feels about the Washington Redskins.

[StorminMormon86]

You're offended because you didn't like what he said about a player that you like.

It's bizarre. The lengths people go to defend a guy they've never met who had one good season for the Skins is mind boggling. Where was the love for Jason Campbell?

[SkinsJock]

That Osweiller deal is STUPID - everyone with any sense knows that


I have no problem paying Cousins $18M a year for 3-4 years if he clearly shows in 2016 that he's worth that ...

I also have no problem paying $19.9M for a year and $20M-$25M a year after that if he clearly shows he's worth that ...

I do not think that this FO looks at the Osweiller deal as anything that affects their feelings about what Cousins is worth to this franchise

we should not make a deal with any player that does not fit in with what is in the best interests of this franchise and Cousins is not worth more than this FO thinks he is

I'm fine with how this FO is handling everything here

If Cousins has any sense he's signing a long term deal by July

[SkinsJock]

I'm NOT defending Griffin - IMO, Chris was not telling the truth - IMO, Chris was trying to make it out to be worse than it was

[SkinsJock]

It's bizarre. The lengths people go to defend a guy they've never met who had one good season for the Skins is mind boggling. Where was the love for Jason Campbell?

I'm not defending Griffin - I just think that Chris is blowing this out of proportion - he's lying!

I'm sure that not many here have actually met any players, have you? I have, but I certainly don't speak about it much.

AND

what does that have to do with anything?

[riggofan]

That Osweiller deal is STUPID - everyone with any sense knows that


I have no problem paying Cousins $18M a year for 3-4 years if he clearly shows in 2016 that he's worth that ...

I also have no problem paying $19.9M for a year and $20M-$25M a year after that if he clearly shows he's worth that ...

You're totally missing the point. It doesn't matter if the Osweiler deal is "stupid" or not. That QB just got paid $18m/yr and set a new bar. The bar gets raised every time one of these guys makes a new deal. That's why Joe Flacco is getting paid more/year than Aaron Rodgers. You think Flacco is better than Rodgers? I sure as hell don't.

Denver basically just wasted a second round draft pick and four years of developing a quarterback only to hand him over to the Texans. For what? $3m/year?

I'm sure GMSM and Allen know this - they're both smarter than I am. I'm just pointing out that our gamble on waiting for free agency to see how the QB contracts play out is not going well.

"So how will this affect the ability of the two sides to get together and hammer out a deal by the July 15 deadline? It probably doesn’t help. As best we can tell the Redskins are offering about $16 million per year and Cousins’ camp wants closer to the $20 million he’s getting on the one-year franchise tag. After seeing the two recent deals there certainly is no reason for Cousins to come down substantially. So if the Redskins aren’t willing to go up much—and they might not be willing to do so based on one year os good play out of Cousins—the quarterback could well end up playing on the franchise tag and we will start the whole process over again in February of 2017" - Tandler