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Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:12 pm
by Deadskins
riggofan wrote:I watched rookie Zach Mettenberger last night on a crappy 2-8 Titans team go toe to toe with Roethlisberger and the 7-4 Steelers.
That's kind of ridiculous. Rookies often come in and light it up for a game or two. Let's see him do it consistently.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:15 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Sure it is.. but he didnt ask for us to give up a kings ransom.. but he reinforced why it was worth it his rookie year.
Now hes being asked to play differently. . Which is good to prolong his career.
He needs to step it up.
the line needs to step it up.
the D needs to step it up.
As a qb he is charged with the loss but the team looked bad not just one player. Helus fumble killed momentum and killed the crowd. Even after he scored it was momentum we never got back.
Thats why I started this threadm We need to get Robert a little more time to settle down. Allnpro line isnt possible, better play is- so is added protection
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:22 pm
by StorminMormon86
But he shouldn't be saying that everyone needs to play better. Morris had a heck of a game, and the WR's were wide open for the most part. That's where the whole throwing his team under the bus narrative came from.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:30 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
He cant win behind the podium after a loss, thats for sure.
He made a young qb mistake- like Cam did when in a similar situation. .
But he didnt "throwthe team under the bus". Being over analyzed and twisting words is dcs favorite pass time when we are losing. Ironically he didnt day anything that wasnt true.
Morris did well on the ground- whyd we stop feeding him? He also missed all his blocks. Djax got open when pressure was mounting.. howd he get OVER thrown? I thought he CANT be overthrown? Maybe he is guaging the arc wrong.. or not running hard enough? He surely wasnt run blocking well- ever! Lol
fact is teams lose as a team. "We need to play better" is 100% accurate. If he only said "I" itd be misconstrued as he is all about himself and not a team player. Lose lose until we win... as a team.
Sucks that the coach didnt set a good example for him with his presser either, huh?
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 3:32 pm
by riggofan
Deadskins wrote:riggofan wrote:I watched rookie Zach Mettenberger last night on a crappy 2-8 Titans team go toe to toe with Roethlisberger and the 7-4 Steelers.
That's kind of ridiculous. Rookies often come in and light it up for a game or two. Let's see him do it consistently.
He didn't light it up. He just played adequately which he's done for his first three starts. Is it too much to expect our first round pick QB in his third season to play at least as well a sixth round rookie? Man, just go play as well as your third string backup.
I don't mean to overreact here honestly. Its not my MO, and like I said, I know this was just one game. But I'll say it again, Griffin CAN NOT have completely dreadful games like this. He's not going to get the benefit of the doubt from many people anymore.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:06 pm
by markshark84
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:markshark84 wrote:cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Watching the Colts vs Pats game and blocking was a marvelous thing.. I started to notice some things.
Our line is garbage bottom line- no pun intended lol.. but we arent helping it any either.
While Gronk is a special beast, we lack even a decent blocking TE. Further more our RBs cant block- or even slow the right guy down- the wideouts are getting bullied on runs too! - sorry Djax.
Why arent we supporting our poor line? We have one of the best FBs in the league whos playing time is dwindling. . Double TE sets? Extra linemen? Hell put a LB in if you have to.
This argument isnt about robert holding on to the ball to long.. he does. I get it. If he had some time to make a slow decision- he would in turn gain some confidence. THAT would lead to trusting his reads and making quicker choices. Hes gotten gun shy- and rightfully so. He had a hand on hik as soon as he got the ball- and the line Colt and Kirk had was not the same. Tw out Lavuo banged up... its a terrible attempt at a patchwork line. The wr core is meaningless if the qb doesnt have tike to get it to them.
I hope coach has some ideas to improve it moving fwd.. I think its officially hit rock bottom
I think the time for making excuses for RGIII is over.
Whos making excuses?
Seriously??? You are LITERALLY saying RGIII needs better "blocking" in order to be successful. And that his faults are a by-product of our OL.
Read the subject of your thread....
It's time we stop coddling RGIII like a child. That is the first step in making progress. He is in charge of the offense --- and should be held accountable for EVERYTHING that happens under his command. That is the way leadership works. If a client were to get upset by my work product --- do you think I'm going to tell them it was someone on my team's fault?????? Come on.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:08 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
He cant win behind the podium after a loss, thats for sure.
He made a young qb mistake- like Cam did when in a similar situation. .
But he didnt "throwthe team under the bus". Being over analyzed and twisting words is dcs favorite pass time when we are losing. Ironically he didnt day anything that wasnt true.
Morris did well on the ground- whyd we stop feeding him? He also missed all his blocks. Djax got open when pressure was mounting.. howd he get OVER thrown? I thought he CANT be overthrown? Maybe he is guaging the arc wrong.. or not running hard enough? He surely wasnt run blocking well- ever! Lol
fact is teams lose as a team. "We need to play better" is 100% accurate. If he only said "I" itd be misconstrued as he is all about himself and not a team player. Lose lose until we win... as a team.
Sucks that the coach didnt set a good example for him with his presser either, huh?
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:11 pm
by markshark84
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:
Maybe my avatar fogs my posts..
Gruden didnt want to throw his patchwork line under the bus- but was fine dismantling Roberts play..
Your sure right it does!!!
Gruden responded to RGIII's comments throwing the entire team under the bus. If RGIII hadn't done that, Gruden wouldn't have said anything!!!! Are you that thick???????? And yes, this is a serious question. Do you not understand the dynamics that went on --- because it doesn't sound like it.
Gruden didn't comment on the OL because the OL DIDN'T COME OUT AND PROCLAIM TO THE MEDIA how everyone else was the reason for why they played poorly and that they need more support!!!!! Only spoiled children do that.
I want RGIII to finish out the year. I still believe he can turn this around --- but with every week my hope (and that is all it is) dwindles.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:16 pm
by StorminMormon86
All he had to do was end at "those sacks were on me. Period. Next question."
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:26 pm
by markshark84
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:He cant win behind the podium after a loss, thats for sure.
He made a young qb mistake- like Cam did when in a similar situation. .
But he didnt "throwthe team under the bus". Being over analyzed and twisting words is dcs favorite pass time when we are losing. Ironically he didnt day anything that wasnt true.
Morris did well on the ground- whyd we stop feeding him? He also missed all his blocks. Djax got open when pressure was mounting.. howd he get OVER thrown? I thought he CANT be overthrown? Maybe he is guaging the arc wrong.. or not running hard enough? He surely wasnt run blocking well- ever! Lol
fact is teams lose as a team. "We need to play better" is 100% accurate. If he only said "I" itd be misconstrued as he is all about himself and not a team player. Lose lose until we win... as a team.
Sucks that the coach didnt set a good example for him with his presser either, huh?
First off, by reading your comments, you'd think RGIII was a rookie. He's LITERALLY a vet now -- so stop holding him to childlike standards. Gruden has to set a "good example"?????
What is this, pee wee football??? Gruden was asked something and knew he needed to do DAMAGE CONTROL!!!!
And I don't think you understand that certain players are more important than others. The QB is the most important position on the field.
And as a leader, you NEVER EVER say or even imply that someone else played poorly. That is a discussion you have away from cameras. Saying anything negative about your teamates as it relates to you play --- even implying something --- is throwing them under the bus. I couldn't care less whether it was true or a total lie.
I'm honestly interested to see if, in your subjective eyes, RGIII could do or say anything wrong.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:28 pm
by StorminMormon86
There's literally 3 or 4 posters on both sides that think Griffin can do no wrong or everything Griffin does is wrong.
Can't we just have impartiality for awhile please!?
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:45 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Isnt there another thread about how bad or good rg3 is?
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:52 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
I never said he handled the press conference properly. . I alluded to Cam doing similar- it was his 2nd yearm Speaking of Cam.. whats their record?
Funny how you mention "the leader" and defend the true leader of the team, the head coach for making the same mistakes. They both aired out their laundry inappropriately and they both gave valid statements that were true- just not for everyone and thwir mom to hear.
Yall paint this picture like RG cant do wrongnin my eyes... just because I dont crucify the guy after a poor game and a poor press conference?
Im much more dissatisfied with our safety vet mr Clark giving up a career day to a back up qb and a young wr
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 9:03 am
by StorminMormon86
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Im much more dissatisfied with our safety vet mr Clark giving up a career day to a back up qb and a young wr
This is why people think you are "making excuses" for Griffin. You are honestly more concerned with a guy who's at the end of his career and going to be on ESPN in a couple of months rather than a 3rd year quarterback who looks completely lost after we bet the farm to get him?
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 10:53 am
by SkinsJock
I'm concerned that Griffin is not progressing well but I think that he's going to be OK and we do have bigger issues
if I did not think that, I'd agree that the QB issue is a huge problem
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:36 am
by riggofan
There is no bigger issue than our quarterback play right now.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:43 am
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:There is no bigger issue than our quarterback play right now.
I agree - however, that will not be the case soon - then we can address the reasons this group is not playing together very well
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:53 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:riggofan wrote:There is no bigger issue than our quarterback play right now.
I agree - however, that will not be the case soon - then we can address the reasons this group is not playing together very well
Got my fingers crossed, man. Put up or shut up time!
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:28 pm
by Deadskins
StorminMormon86 wrote:All he had to do was end at "those sacks were on me. Period. Next question."
Actually, he did say that. He said all the right things initially. It was when he went on to elaborate, that he got into trouble.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 12:58 pm
by PAPDOG67
riggofan wrote:There is no bigger issue than our quarterback play right now.
Couldn't disagree more. Our defense has been an utter embarrassment for some time now....and there is one reason for that Jim Haslett. He needs to go immediately.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:05 pm
by SkinsJock
Deadskins wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:All he had to do was end at "those sacks were on me. Period. Next question."
Actually, he did say that. He said all the right things initially. It was when he went on to elaborate, that he got into trouble.
BINGO
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:26 pm
by SkinsJock
The O line is not the whole reason the offense is not playing well anymore than the defense is the only reason we're not winning more games OR Griffin is playing so badly OR Morris is not getting enough yards so our offense is in 3rd and long all the time
the reason we've only won 3 games is that the guys are not doing their jobs as well as they can ...
the offensive line is fine, they're just not playing together at all
the defense is OK, they're just not executing the plays the way the coaches want them to
same for Griffin - he's got to start seeing the whole field better and recognizing that he has to improve the way he plays - defenses are reading what he's doing and he's not comfortable seeing what players are doing, defensively OR offensively
the coaches need to do their jobs better as well
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:13 pm
by StorminMormon86
Deadskins wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:All he had to do was end at "those sacks were on me. Period. Next question."
Actually, he did say that. He said all the right things initially. It was when he went on to elaborate, that he got into trouble.
He should have stopped at "those sacks were on me". He's not the coach. He doesn't need to elaborate or evaluate other players.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:53 pm
by DarthMonk
PAPDOG67 wrote:riggofan wrote:There is no bigger issue than our quarterback play right now.
Couldn't disagree more. Our defense has been an utter embarrassment for some time now....and there is one reason for that Jim Haslett. He needs to go immediately.
The most important man after Snyder right now is Jay Gruden. He decides on Griff and he decides on Haz. Those two decisions and the manner in which they are made will set our course.
Re: Blocking or lack thereof
Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:38 pm
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote:PAPDOG67 wrote:riggofan wrote:There is no bigger issue than our quarterback play right now.
Couldn't disagree more. Our defense has been an utter embarrassment for some time now....and there is one reason for that Jim Haslett. He needs to go immediately.
The most important man after Snyder right now is Jay Gruden. He decides on Griff and he decides on Haz.
Those two decisions and the manner in which they are made will set our course.
I'll agree with that and hopefully both Haslett and Griffin will make that decision fairly obvious ...
