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Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:41 am
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:riggofan wrote:welch wrote:Don't risk Griffin's ankle the way Jones risked Romo's back. A week or two won't help the Redskins make the playoffs this season, but another injury to Griffin might hurt Griffin and the team next season.
By that logic why play him at all this season?
I wouldn't.
This stuff is just crazy. You might as well just trade him now then. You gave up three first round picks for a guy that you're afraid to put on the field. There is no point to that.
DarthMonk wrote:You think his ankle is as strong as it was right before he hurt it?
Nevermind ... no basis.
I'm not a doctor so I have no idea. My limited understanding of that ankle injury though is that it will never be exactly the same as it was before it was injured. So I guess we just have to leave him on the sideline and give him nine months to recover.
DarthMonk wrote:You think he's had more practice than McCoy the past 6 weeks? Me neither.
Sure McCoy has had way more practice with the third team practice squad guys. He said it himself that he's had about FIVE days of practice with the first team.
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:00 am
by DarthMonk
^^^ OK. Competing opinions - at least one allegedly baseless. Fair enough.
I just hope that in this week's episode of Russian Roulette starring RGIII's recently dislocated ankle ... the chamber is empty. (If you want to parse "recently" go ahead.)
See, I have confidence that RGIII is the man already. He doesn't have to prove anything to me. I think he is all-pro caliber and I think if we just bring him back fully healthy and he has an offseason with no setbacks, he starts game 1 next year as one of the best in the NFL.
I base this opinion on what I've seen him do when healthy.
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:20 am
by SkinsJock
There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
1) the Redskins will NOT let Griffin play unless he's physically and mentally ready - if that is not a fact then we have a HUGE problem
2) the Redskins need to find out if he's going to be the QB they need - the only way they do that is to let him play
3) Griffin needs more playing time NOT practice time - what's the downside?
4) He's not more likely to get injured by playing - if that's the case you should never let him play
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:05 pm
by emoses14
DarthMonk wrote:^^^ OK. Competing opinions - at least one allegedly baseless. Fair enough.
I just hope that in this week's episode of Russian Roulette starring RGIII's recently dislocated ankle ... the chamber is empty. (If you want to parse "recently" go ahead.)
See, I have confidence that RGIII is the man already. He doesn't have to prove anything to me. I think he is all-pro caliber and I think if we just bring him back fully healthy and he has an offseason with no setbacks, he starts game 1 next year as one of the best in the NFL.
I base this opinion on what I've seen him do when healthy.
Fair enough. Really.
I'm not going to lie and say that my wanting to see him play now, juxtaposed with your comment, isn't a whole lot of wanting my cake and eating it, too. But I like cake. . . so, there?
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:10 pm
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:See, I have confidence that RGIII is the man already. He doesn't have to prove anything to me. I think he is all-pro caliber and I think if we just bring him back fully healthy and he has an offseason with no setbacks, he starts game 1 next year as one of the best in the NFL.
Right on. And honestly, I understand why fans are nervous about this move - I am too. We don't want a repeat of last year's debacle. We don't want to see him hurt. And for those of us who still believe in RGIII's ability, we don't want to see him perform badly because he's playing injured. I totally get that, man.
To your point though about "bring him back fully healthy and he has an offseason with no setbacks" - I thought we just did that? I just don't see that we can afford to put our starting QB on IR every season he twists his ankle. If he's seriously that fragile, we need to move on. I think he's a competitor and wants to be out there, so let's give him a shot.
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 12:25 pm
by SkinsJock
I refuse to believe that at this time his play will be limited or hampered because he's not healthy enough
His play may be rusty from not playing - I doubt that he's allowed to play if the medical staff think there's even a small chance of him getting injured again BECAUSE he's not healthy or recovered from the ankle injury
I understand a concern that he might not be as good as we need him to be but I do not think that will be the case
WHY would it be better if we gave Griffin more time to determine that he's not going to be a good QB?
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:21 pm
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
I can think of a way.
His weakened ankle gets re-injured.
I hope it doesn't happen.
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:28 pm
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
I can think of a way.
His weakened ankle gets re-injured.
I hope it doesn't happen.
You know, I read today that D'Angelo Hall just tore his achilles again. Doing rehab.
If you don't know the acronym FIDLAR, I kind of think it applies here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+do ... +stand+for
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 1:32 pm
by DarthMonk
riggofan wrote:DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
I can think of a way.
His weakened ankle gets re-injured.
I hope it doesn't happen.
You know, I read today that D'Angelo Hall just tore his achilles again. Doing rehab.
If you don't know the acronym FIDLAR, I kind of think it applies here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+do ... +stand+for
Bummer. I guess that's a good reason to bring Griff back prematurely.
SNAFU
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:03 pm
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:Bummer. I guess that's a good reason to bring Griff back prematurely.
lol. Well let's hope its not premature!
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:12 pm
by SkinsJock
I know you guys know a lot more about this stuff than I do ...
I'll have to hope that the medical staff & the coaching staff know more about what's at stake here than you guys do
I cannot believe that they would take a chance like some of you are intimating they are
maybe they are, but I still think they have more of an idea of whether it's big risk or not than most here do
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:19 pm
by SkinsJock
If the medical staff thinks that Griffin's ankle needs more time to heal WHY are they clearing him to play?
If the medical staff think that there's a possibility that Griffin's ankle might be injured again this week, WHY not keep him out for 2 weeks
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE PAYING THESE GUYS FOR IF THEY DO THAT?
or
do you think that, all things considered, they have to let him play because there's ABSOLUTELY NO medical reason not to
and
do you think?
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:23 pm
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
I can think of a way. His weakened ankle gets re-injured. I hope it doesn't happen.
DM - if his weakened ankle is not strong enough and there's a chance that he could re-injure it ....
WHO THE HELL MADE THE DECISION THAT IT'S HEALED ENOUGH TO PLAY ON
please tell me that
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:23 pm
by riggofan
I'm with you. Not having examined Griffin personally, I just have to trust that the doctors and coaches are being honest and responsible with this player.
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:28 pm
by SkinsJock
THEY ARE NOT BRINGING GRIFFIN BACK TOO SOON
He's been cleared to play by the medical staff
Does anyone know if the medical staff have decided to clear him to play before his ankle is well enough to play on?
I'll wait .....
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:36 pm
by riggofan
Jay Gruden: We’ve got to get Robert Griffin III ready, ‘learning the position’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... -position/For starters, Gruden said, Griffin was champing at the bit to play the previous week at Dallas, on Monday Night Football, insisted that he was ready to play then. So team officials already have waited one week longer than Griffin would have preferred.
“Will he make mistakes? Of course he will; everybody will,” Gruden said. “His will be magnified obviously because he is the quarterback. But that won’t stop us from coaching him up and trying to get him to do right. The more he sees with the concepts that we are doing, with the drop backs, with the pressure and how he handles pressure in situations, the better he will get. That is why it is important for him to play, as soon as he is healthy. We feel like he is 100 percent healthy. We’ve got to get him ready and get him learning the position.”
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:48 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:Jay Gruden: We’ve got to get Robert Griffin III ready, ‘learning the position’
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... -position/For starters, Gruden said, Griffin was champing at the bit to play the previous week at Dallas, on Monday Night Football, insisted that he was ready to play then. So team officials already have waited one week longer than Griffin would have preferred.
“Will he make mistakes? Of course he will; everybody will,” Gruden said. “His will be magnified obviously because he is the quarterback. But that won’t stop us from coaching him up and trying to get him to do right. The more he sees with the concepts that we are doing, with the drop backs, with the pressure and how he handles pressure in situations, the better he will get. That is why it is important for him to play, as soon as he is healthy. We feel like he is 100 percent healthy. We’ve got to get him ready and get him learning the position.”
Oh really!
are you trying to imply that Jay and the medial staff have more of an idea of Griffin's health than some of these guys
GET OUT OF HERE with that stuff
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FREAKING MIND
Gruden doesn't have a clue - Griffin would be so much better next season if they held him out and let McCoy run things here
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:56 pm
by Countertrey
SkinsJock wrote:DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
I can think of a way. His weakened ankle gets re-injured. I hope it doesn't happen.
DM - if his weakened ankle is not strong enough and there's a chance that he could re-injure it ....
WHO THE HELL MADE THE DECISION THAT IT'S HEALED ENOUGH TO PLAY ON
please tell me that
A Formal consultation with Jerry Jones on the sideline...
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:41 pm
by SkinsJock
^^ OH MA! - a BIG thank you for that
I'm sorry - I'm just as nervous about Bob as anybody - I initially thought it might be best to hold him out ...
this kid is V important to our franchise but he knows that AND the HC knows that - they are not risking it all on a few games this season
got to have faith guys
Re: Breaking NEWS on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:31 pm
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the Redskins will be better off by making Griffin wait till next season - NO WAY
I can think of a way. His weakened ankle gets re-injured. I hope it doesn't happen.
DM - if his weakened ankle is not strong enough and there's a chance that he could re-injure it ....
WHO THE HELL MADE THE DECISION THAT IT'S HEALED ENOUGH TO PLAY ON
please tell me that
His name can probably be found on the team website.
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:42 pm
by DarthMonk
You know I might have to reconsider. After all this franchise has a long history of making excellent decisions in all matters football ... particularly the medical staff and particularly lately. [\sarcasm]
Otherwise intelligent people can do some really irrational things ... particularly when a lot of money is involved.
Seriously, i'm against Griffin starting but it's certainly possible that he has recovered in all regards except for one: every recovery needs a final test. Perhaps he's completely ready but for that test. I don't think that's the case but it's possible that he is. If he's that ready and his teammates know it ... HAIL
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:25 pm
by SkinsJock
GOTCHA - I just cannot believe that as important as this kid is he would not be put back on the field if he were not ready ...
I'm surprised that so many do not think this is the right thing to do
to be honest - I'm hoping the rest of the team plays like they did last Monday
this franchise recently has let us all down so many times after a big win and getting us all fired up about the possibilities
Griffin is going to be rusty but even that will be enough if the rest of the guys do their thing
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:38 pm
by SkinsJock
and this from today by Keim & ESPN ...
Keim: Honestly, if I say they are not rushing him back, half the people won't believe me. Whether he's mentally ready I don't know. But physically? They are not putting him out there unless he's cleared by the doctors and is 100 percent. If he doesn't play well it won't be because of his physical condition, it will be because he remains a young quarterback learning a new system coming off a six-week layoff. They still need to win and can rightly consider themselves in the playoff race, regardless of what anyone else thinks. But, yes, they need to see what they have in Griffin. But he is also their most talented quarterback and deserves to be the starter. If he's ready, then he needs to play.
have faith
Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:11 am
by riggofan
I understand where you're coming from, DM. I'm putting some faith in Gruden on this, but the fact is that Snyder/Allen remain at the top and they certainly haven't done anything to earn our trust. We all know that Snyder is about the bottom line, whatever fills the seats and turns a profit.
Still, choosing to be optimistic here. Especially given the fact that Colt McCoy just played fairly well, won a big game for us, and Gruden is still choosing to start RGIII this weekend. That says a lot to me.
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Re: Breaking on Bob...
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:18 am
by SkinsJock
I DO understand DM and others and I DO agree that the Redskins staff and owner have not come close to earning our trust
I don't trust them but I do think that they would not be using Griffin if there was the slightest concern about the ankle
that does not mean I trust these guys
I think that Griffin has convinced the medical staff and Gruden that his ankle is good to go
Gruden is using the best QB he's got even though he knows that Griffin is going to be rusty
here's an article from Bleacher Report ....
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2251 ... n-redskinsthis excerpt is interesting ...
Minnesota was where Washington's season went to die in 2013. To beat the Vikings in 2014, Gruden needs a game plan that suits what Griffin does best, as ESPN.com Redskins reporter John Keim has noted:
"Regardless, this is why Gruden is in Washington. Now it’s up to him and Griffin to prove this was the wise choice -- to return him against a good defense that can be tough for a player in Griffin’s position.
What I hope not to see is a quarterback confined to the pocket. If that means more zone-read runs, so be it -- those plays worked in the past for a reason. It opens the run game, it opens the play-action pass game."
Griffin still offers a unique blend at quarterback, with a strong arm and fast feet. You absolutely need to see where that can take you. But the Redskins need him to find his game in a hurry. They have won two straight and don’t want to stop now."