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Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:03 pm
by SkinsJock
Dan Snyder does NOT know ANYTHING about the NFL - NOTHING
IF Bruce Allen is not in charge of bringing in the next HC then I hope someone in the FO locates a GM and tells Dan to give that guy the job
Dan Snyder does not have a clue who can do what well in the NFL AND, even more important, who would be best for the GM job here
Dan Snyder needs to stay away from anything to do with the selection process - he needs to leave that in the hands of the guys that know best
WHY DO YOU THINK WE'RE IN THIS MESS for crying out loud
I don't care what Snyder does or who he socializes with - even if that includes Redskins players and coaches
it does NOT matter as long as the guys in charge of the football side of things have complete authority over any and all things to do with what goes on on the field
Snyder owns this franchise and he will MOST LIKELY do a lot of things wrong BECAUSE he's an idiot - (having a lot of money does not mean you cannot be an idiot)
it really does not matter what the owner does if the coaches and players know who has the ultimate authority for all things football and it is NOT the owner
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:11 pm
by Deadskins
markshark84 wrote:In sports, the best GMs rarely have close relationships with their players.
Snyder's not the GM, he's the owner.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:39 pm
by riggofan
hanburgerheel wrote:I agree with some of the sentiments above me in the last two posts. Gibbs & Shanahan were not driven to win. They had nothing to prove (it was proven) and no incentive to prove it. They only had a slight pressure of "I don't want to ruin what I've already proven" and that's not what the Redskins need. The same goes for Spurrier. Steve Spurrier had a long trail of success behind him. He had never been an NFL coach, but he didn't really need it or want it. He's still got a shiny legacy and always will. The Redskins job will be forgotten or glossed-over in the history of the game.
Hiring past successes and men who have essentially proven their worth and have nothing more to prove is not going to get you the results you want. Take Art Briles, for example. He's got some good credibility with what he's done at Baylor, but he's not achieved the pinnacle yet, I don't think. If you want to try and integrate a college coach, don't go for someone who has banked their career IN college and no longer need anything else. Leave Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, and Steve SPurrier where they will flourish...in college football. Chip Kelly is a great example of an ideal choice to bring college football savvy and innovative football playing from college to pro. He's not running Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant schemes. Dick Vermeil was another example of moving a college coach at the right place and right time.
I wouldn't personally be all that excited if Bill Cowher or John Gruden showed up on our sidelines. To me, those guys already have their legacy and fame. They have their nod of approval from the world. They may or may not feel compelled to earn a reputation that they already have earned before. When Joe Gibbs FIRST came to Washington, he wanted that nod of approval and succeeded and got it. Snyder needs to find that guy and stick with him for 4-5 years before he sticks with these retread Already-Famous guys, in my opinion.
I agree with a lot of what you've written here. As soon as the topic of new coach comes up and people start throwing out Bill Cowher and Tony Dungy, I just want to throw my hands in the air and give up.
I'll nitpick some of this though. I do think Shanahan had something to prove coming here. He was kind of unexpectedly run out of Denver and also tagged with that "couldn't do it without Elway" stuff. I do think he wanted to come here and prove Denver wrong.
We'll see if you're right about Chip Kelly. My only argument with that is that Philly has been a pretty well run organization for the last decade - as much as I hate to admit it. They may have needed a coaching change to shake things up, but there's no doubt they've drafted well and kept a good foundation on that team. I'd argue that Steve Spurrier might have been more successful in the NFL if he'd walked into Philadelphia rather than Washington.
Anyway, the coach I'd like to see here in January? JAY GRUDEN.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:54 pm
by Bishop Hammer
Deadskins wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:No good coach in their right mind is going to want to come here.
I'm afraid you are right on that.
Why do you think we got stuck with Zorn as our coach?! No viable coaching candidate; up and coming coordinator wanted to come here because of the circus Snyder turned our beloved Redskins into.
The worst part I wouldn't be surprised if by some miracle if Zorn got another gig he would be half way decent as a head coach. The Skins luck is that bad and Danny boy messes up the surest of things.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:01 pm
by Deadskins
Bishop Hammer wrote:Deadskins wrote:Irn-Bru wrote:No good coach in their right mind is going to want to come here.
I'm afraid you are right on that.
Why do you think we got stuck with Zorn as our coach?!
Two reasons:
1. Snyder felt the backlash from the fans about hiring Jim Fassel.
2. He hired Zorn as OC before he hired a HC. What HC is going to come in where the owner has already hired your OC?
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:03 pm
by Deadskins
riggofan wrote:Anyway, the coach I'd like to see here in January? JAY GRUDEN.
Is he any relation to John?
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:08 pm
by SkinsJock
well run organizations and NFL franchises do not depend on luck they make informed decisions
Dan Snyder finally learned that he had to relinquish control and this franchise has been better off for that - we we're a really big mess - we are better than that
MAYBE it's time to move on - I did not like the choice of Mike as a HC but I do think that he and others have transformed the FO and scouting department
IF Mike is gone - Dan Snyder needs to continue to let NFL people make the decision on what he needs to do and who is best suited to manage and coach this franchise
I think that he knows that this will be best for the franchise and will also be best for him
If Dan Snyder gets involved in choices or football related decisions - we are in a world of trouble
btw - Jay Gruden is Jon Gruden's son
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:12 pm
by UK Skins Fan
I'm still waiting for the evidence that Snyder has been "interfering". Besides an alleged leak about the supposed circumstances of Shanahan's supposedly alleged intention to quit last season.
Snyder has no credit at the bank of goodwill, and I wouldn't be stunned if it transpired that he has been meddling. But I would be a little surprised. I cannot recall any reports of such behaviour in the previous three years. So I won't be so quick to jump on Snyder being the cancer (and that's a truly offensive term to use in this context) on this occasion, until/unless I see conclusive proof.
I understand the calls for Snyder to get out of town, but some of the vitriol simply isn't justified by what few facts we know about current events. Snyder is not to blame for the disaster that is laughingly called our "special" teams, nor the putrid defence that we have seen since Shanahan's unwise decision to switch to the 3-4. Nor is Snyder to blame for leaving the future of the franchise hobbling around on a minefield of a playing surface against Seattle, until he finally broke.
We don't like Snyder - I get that. he is not angel, but neither is he the devil.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:16 pm
by UK Skins Fan
SkinsJock wrote:btw - Jay Gruden is Jon Gruden's son
Brother, I believe.
And he's an up and coming coach, rather than a big name has been
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:16 pm
by SkinsJock
for example - IF Mike is gone and everyone says - "Jay Gruden would be perfect" and Dan hires him - this is a mistake
1 - Dan Snyder needs to have his football people tell him who is going to manage the franchise with Mike gone
2 - THEN - whoever is going to manage needs to give Dan the candidate(s) that they all feel will be best suited for this franchise
3 - THEN - the HC can then bring in whomever he needs
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:19 pm
by SkinsJock
UK Skins Fan wrote:I'm still waiting for the evidence that Snyder has been "interfering". Besides an alleged leak about the supposed circumstances of Shanahan's supposedly alleged intention to quit last season.
Snyder has no credit at the bank of goodwill, and I wouldn't be stunned if it transpired that he has been meddling. But I would be a little surprised. I cannot recall any reports of such behaviour in the previous three years. So I won't be so quick to jump on Snyder being the cancer (and that's a truly offensive term to use in this context) on this occasion, until/unless I see conclusive proof.
I understand the calls for Snyder to get out of town, but some of the vitriol simply isn't justified by what few facts we know about current events. Snyder is not to blame for the disaster that is laughingly called our "special" teams, nor the putrid defence that we have seen since Shanahan's unwise decision to switch to the 3-4. Nor is Snyder to blame for leaving the future of the franchise hobbling around on a minefield of a playing surface against Seattle, until he finally broke.
We don't like Snyder - I get that. he is not angel, but neither is he the devil.
I agree Trevor - Dan Snyder is an idiot BUT he did turn control over to Mike and to a lessor extent Bruce - THIS WAS HUGE
the franchise is MUCH better off for what Dan Snyder did - NO DOUBT - he's still an idiot but he's our idiot
Dan Snyder will hopefully CONTINUE TO let this franchise be managed as it has been done since Mike came in
this could actually be a major coup for Snyder if he handles this properly
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:29 pm
by UK Skins Fan
riggofan wrote:You just summed up my biggest fear in about a dozen words. he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here. We don't need someone noteworthy, we need someone capable.
Agreed. 100%.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:36 pm
by SkinsJock
I happen to think that a lot of the 'information' we are getting is way off base
there's something going on but in a nutshell I do not think that Dan Snyder has done things that he hoped would make Mike leave here
Dan Snyder's image is 'better' (maybe not great) because he turned things over to Mike Shanahan
Snyder has probably 'pissed off' Mike but that's because Mike is such a prima donna that he takes everything the wrong way
This franchise is actually not in bad shape and is being managed well and the FO is a HUGE upgrade over what we had - the games against Denver, the 49ers and the Chiefs were not really a good indication of where this franchise is at
Robert needs some help but he's going to be incredible - the kid has an arm, is incredibly fast, he's very intelligent and he's got heart - Robert needs coaching
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:42 pm
by SkinsJock
riggofan wrote:You just summed up my biggest fear - "he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here". We don't need someone noteworthy, we need someone capable.
I also agree …
AND - we need a GM and HC that can best fit what we have, what we want to do and have the complete authority to 'get 'er done'
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:51 pm
by riggofan
UK Skins Fan wrote:SkinsJock wrote:btw - Jay Gruden is Jon Gruden's son
Brother, I believe.
And he's an up and coming coach, rather than a big name has been
Yes: brother. I really liked what I saw of him on Hard Knocks this past year, just as an enthusiastic person and coach. Very much like his brother. He's been good with the Bengals offense, especially considering that is a team where the owner isn't willing to spend ANY money. Seems to have brought Andy Dalton along very well.
He was a college QB at Louisville and his dad was a coach, similar background to the Harbaughs.
I'd argue because of his last name and background he might have some of the clout needed to work with Snyder, but still be the type of young/hungry guy many of us would like to see.
He may be smart enough to avoid Washington though.
I don't know if Marvin Lewis speaks highly of the Redskins, and I'm sure his brother has some thoughts on the team. Then again, I got the impression that Jon Gruden likes RGIII a lot, so maybe he'd be encouraging. A lot of teams looked at him last year, he'll have options.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:52 pm
by markshark84
Deadskins wrote:markshark84 wrote:In sports, the best GMs rarely have close relationships with their players.
Snyder's not the GM, he's the owner.
Not the point. It has more to do with relationships (whether GM, HC, owner, etc.) interfering with a GMs ability to properly do their job. In this case it appears Danny boy's (the HC/GMs' boss) relationship with RGIII was interfering with the BA/MS's ability to properly run the team.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 4:59 pm
by StorminMormon86
riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:I'm of the firm belief that money talks, and despite Snyder's reputation, he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here.
You just summed up my biggest fear in about a dozen words.
he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here. We don't need someone noteworthy, we need someone capable.
I used the wrong word. I didn't mean "noteworthy" in the sense of past glories, just someone that can come in, not take any crap from Snyder or any of the players, who actually knows how to COACH and build a team.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:00 pm
by Kilmer72
UK Skins Fan wrote:I'm still waiting for the evidence that Snyder has been "interfering". Besides an alleged leak about the supposed circumstances of Shanahan's supposedly alleged intention to quit last season.
Snyder has no credit at the bank of goodwill, and I wouldn't be stunned if it transpired that he has been meddling. But I would be a little surprised. I cannot recall any reports of such behaviour in the previous three years. So I won't be so quick to jump on Snyder being the cancer (and that's a truly offensive term to use in this context) on this occasion, until/unless I see conclusive proof.
I understand the calls for Snyder to get out of town, but some of the vitriol simply isn't justified by what few facts we know about current events. Snyder is not to blame for the disaster that is laughingly called our "special" teams, nor the putrid defence that we have seen since Shanahan's unwise decision to switch to the 3-4. Nor is Snyder to blame for leaving the future of the franchise hobbling around on a minefield of a playing surface against Seattle, until he finally broke.
We don't like Snyder - I get that. he is not angel, but neither is he the devil.
Now this is rational thinking.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:25 pm
by Deadskins
markshark84 wrote:Deadskins wrote:markshark84 wrote:In sports, the best GMs rarely have close relationships with their players.
Snyder's not the GM, he's the owner.
Not the point. It has more to do with relationships (whether GM, HC, owner, etc.) interfering with a GMs ability to properly do their job. In this case it appears Danny boy's (the HC/GMs' boss) relationship with RGIII was interfering with the BA/MS's ability to properly run the team.
That sounds like a load of crap. If the Danny isn't involved in any football decisions, then his personal relationship with RGIII shouldn't interfere with BA/MS's ability to run the team.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:29 pm
by riggofan
Kilmer72 wrote:UK Skins Fan wrote:I'm still waiting for the evidence that Snyder has been "interfering". Besides an alleged leak about the supposed circumstances of Shanahan's supposedly alleged intention to quit last season.
Snyder has no credit at the bank of goodwill, and I wouldn't be stunned if it transpired that he has been meddling. But I would be a little surprised. I cannot recall any reports of such behaviour in the previous three years. So I won't be so quick to jump on Snyder being the cancer (and that's a truly offensive term to use in this context) on this occasion, until/unless I see conclusive proof.
I understand the calls for Snyder to get out of town, but some of the vitriol simply isn't justified by what few facts we know about current events. Snyder is not to blame for the disaster that is laughingly called our "special" teams, nor the putrid defence that we have seen since Shanahan's unwise decision to switch to the 3-4. Nor is Snyder to blame for leaving the future of the franchise hobbling around on a minefield of a playing surface against Seattle, until he finally broke.
We don't like Snyder - I get that. he is not angel, but neither is he the devil.
Now this is rational thinking.
I'm with both of you guys. I was way more surprised by the fact that Shanahan was placing blame on Snyder on Sunday, than anything else. Who knows what does on at Redskins park, but I don't think anyone can argue that Snyder has had a much lower profile over the past three years than he did during Zorn/Cerrato.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:38 pm
by SkinsJock
StorminMormon86 wrote:riggofan wrote:StorminMormon86 wrote:I'm of the firm belief that money talks, and despite Snyder's reputation, he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here.
You just summed up my biggest fear in about a dozen words.
he has the money to convince someone noteworthy to come here. We don't need someone noteworthy, we need someone capable.
I used the wrong word. I didn't mean "noteworthy" in the sense of past glories, just someone that can come in, not take any crap from Snyder or any of the players, who actually knows how to COACH and build a team.
let's get this straight:
find a HC that knows what he's doing, a HC that has fixed a broken team, has won everything and will not take any crap from Snyder or any of the players ..
this is a HC that you think has a chance here - you're kidding yourself
Hopefully we get a HC that suits what this franchise needs and can work with everyone
If we are going to make a change here: Snyder needs to put his management team together to find him some candidates that suit what this franchise needs
Then that HC can put together his staff
just going out and finding a HC that can coach and build and not take any crap from anyone is not what is going to happen here
that is basically what Mike Shanahan is
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:53 pm
by SkinsJock
more backstabbing from the press - talk about turning things around …
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... ion-on-qbsI think that Dan Snyder is managing this all very well I cannot say the same for Mike but the press is just so bad here and he's never liked dealing with them
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:43 pm
by SkinsJock
PulpExposure posted this in another topic ...
and it reminded me that most HCs are really not very likable and most are not at all trustworthy …
Joe Gibbs and Tony Dungy to me were an exception to this …
Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells come to mind as egotistical, lying a/holes … Tom Coughlin is almost as bad - he's a weasel at best
Mike Shanahan has always been known as a lying and manipulative HC
the new guy in Tampa seems like a waste of time
I like the Ravens Harbaugh but not so much Jim Harbaugh in San Francisco
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:59 pm
by gibbsfan
I can't find any soap opera's better than this one
with the redskins organization.. I feel like the exorcist my head is spinning
around....make it stop.
wait and see.
Re: Snyder is the cancer
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:16 pm
by OldSchool
I agree Dan Snyder has been the problem and will continue to be the problem from the perspective of us fans. We think he has been a disaster but unfortunately from his perspective he has a been a huge success, doesn't the Skins lead the league in revenue? I think I remember seeing that in an article not long ago so he no doubt feels he is a great businessman running his business. We might want him to conclude he is a flop and sell the franchise after going through so many coaches and players but the cash register keeps ringing so Snyder knows his business is thriving. He may in fact be thoroughly energized now by the prospect of hiring a new coach and formulating the marketing campaign to successfully launch the next era.
Success is how you define it and like a lot business people I think Snyder measures success in dollars not wins, titles, or how the public views him. Sure, he'd enjoy winning and being liked but being financially highly successful seems to be more than enough to keep him going and for all we know being a great marketeer who growing his revenue despite having a losing team might be icing on the cake for him. I don't know the guy but doing just that might be a badge of honor in his eyes. In any case Dan Snyder isn't going to sell, we are stuck with him.