StorminMormon86 wrote:I agree. The players need to execute the plays called. Kyle called a good, balanced game last night. Griffin missed Garcon down at the goal line. Despite what Mayock was saying, I think Garcon would have scored if the throw was more accurate. Not saying that Griffin is to blame, but WTF happened to our offense in the 2nd half!? 20 unanswered points against a team that only had 44 players active last night. Pathetic.
Well....
- Griffin had Moss in the corner but led him out of bounds... - Reed dropped a TD. PI or not, it touched his hands.
That's why I hate this ref blaming BS. F**k the refs. DO YOUR JOB. The ref can't UN-CATCH the ball for you. Catch it! Make the accurate pass! Take the refs out of the game. If we're relying on the ref, we've already lost.
If you take an HONEST look at that replay, Moss grabbed that ball with a good yard and a half of space between him and the end zone. The pass was just about perfect... right where you want a fade... It appeared to me that Moss thought he was farther from the line... therefore, made no effort to drag his back foot... beyond that, he was bobbling the ball as he went out of bounds...
You can try... but that wasn't on Bob.
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SkinsJock wrote:I don't agree that Robert is being coached or encouraged to become a pocket passing QB
I think he's being coached up by Mike & Kyle to become a more rounded QB than what we saw last season
I'm as surprised as anyone that his passing touch has not been as sharp as we saw last season I also hope he learns to scan the field more - he seems to focus on his primary target a lot
I am looking forward to watching Robert Griffin III establish himself as the best Redskins QB …. ever
I'd disagree with both of you. Bob is being coached to develop pocket passing skills... and it is a point of emphasis now, with resulting growing pains. The coaches know that this will just polish his skill set, and give him tools to use that will give him a shot at becoming a true world class quarterback...
BUT, this is NOT about making him a pocket passer... it's about making him one of the most comprehensively skilled quarterbacks ever. Imagine Bob with the physical skills of Mike Vick, the pocket skills of Drew Brees (too much?) and the arm of Mark Rypien... Who would ever stop him?
No matter what... in order to truly be an effective pocket quarterback (as he waits for the game to slow down in his mind)... he needs 1.5 more seconds from his O-line.
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He had time in the first half because of Alfred Morris disrupting the pass rush. I think Kyle wanted to catch the Vikes off guard in the 2nd half (assuming they would think we'd keep running with Morris) and started to call more pass plays, and then Griffin started to get murdered. Run with Morris = win football games.
RGIII's pocket presence is looking pretty good to me, and improving each week.
I'll just say this to the Jenkins and Kings of the world: don't bet against him. He's going to outwork your criticisms and come out ahead. Fair warning.
RG3 is going to be the best Redskins QB ever - he's not going to do that without going through a learning curve and we're seeing that … also the team was not helped by a combination of what we gave up to get him and the cap hit by Mara & Goodell
Robert has a HC that is recognized as a good HC for QBs and by some stroke of genius, we also have Alfred
this is year 2 of the RG3 era - we're going to see some great plays from this kid
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
StorminMormon86 wrote:Last year - "Griffin is awesome! He single handedly saved our team and our offense!" This year - "Kyle's play calling sucks! Fire him!"
Funny how no one mentioned Kyle's play calling last year being good when we went on our 7 game win streak. But when we lose? Man oh man.
Kyle and RG3 need to do a better job - that's fairly obvious
if coaches are going to be fired it's normally done after the season if there is reason to do that - I doubt that's happening if Kyle and RG3 get it together here
RG3 is having a lot of difficulty right now but I'm sure he'll get it together
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
who cares how good or great someone was - this is a "what have you done lately" league
nobody is 'rewarded' for doing well in the past - they get 'rewarded' based on what they are likely to do in the future
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
StorminMormon86 wrote:Last year - "Griffin is awesome! He single handedly saved our team and our offense!" This year - "Kyle's play calling sucks! Fire him!"
Funny how no one mentioned Kyle's play calling last year being good when we went on our 7 game win streak. But when we lose? Man oh man.
I did.
CAREFUL!!!
You're going to mess up his Qi...
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That he didn't, didn't already have"
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StorminMormon86 wrote:I agree. The players need to execute the plays called. Kyle called a good, balanced game last night. Griffin missed Garcon down at the goal line. Despite what Mayock was saying, I think Garcon would have scored if the throw was more accurate. Not saying that Griffin is to blame, but WTF happened to our offense in the 2nd half!? 20 unanswered points against a team that only had 44 players active last night. Pathetic.
Well....
- Griffin had Moss in the corner but led him out of bounds... - Reed dropped a TD. PI or not, it touched his hands.
That's why I hate this ref blaming BS. F**k the refs. DO YOUR JOB. The ref can't UN-CATCH the ball for you. Catch it! Make the accurate pass! Take the refs out of the game. If we're relying on the ref, we've already lost.
If you take an HONEST look at that replay, Moss grabbed that ball with a good yard and a half of space between him and the end zone. The pass was just about perfect... right where you want a fade... It appeared to me that Moss thought he was farther from the line... therefore, made no effort to drag his back foot... beyond that, he was bobbling the ball as he went out of bounds...
You can try... but that wasn't on Bob.
I know I'm late to this discussion, but I put that 4th down miss more on Robert. The ball was so far outside that Tana had to stretch out of bounds to get his hands on the ball and by the time he did he had very little chance to get the second foot in. In fact I think his first foot may have been out. If that pass is 1 foot shorter it is a much easier catch for Tana and he gets both feet in.
But the biggest blame Bobert had on that play was not throwing it to a WIDE OPEN Jordan Reed in the center of the field.
Could Moss have made the catch? Possibly, but it would have been an incredible catch!
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SkinsJock wrote:who cares how good or great someone was - this is a "what have you done lately" league nobody is 'rewarded' for doing well in the past - they get 'rewarded' based on what they are likely to do in the future
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with the whole "past performance is the best indicator for future success" theory? MS got a $5M per year deal because of what he did in the past.
nice try! Mike was primarily brought in to bring this franchise back from the disaster that was due to Cerrato and Snyder not just to be the HC
I believe Mike should come back for another season - NOT because of what he's done as a HC but because of what he's done with Bruce Allen AND ESPECIALLY what they are going to do - IMO these guys have done a good job rebuilding our franchise
I don't really think Mike is a great HC but he's 'earned' another year - I don't care that we switched from the 4-3 - it's not the system it's the execution - we wouldn't be any better if we'd stayed with the 4-3 and the players did not make tackles or the secondary couldn't cover ANYONE
we need Mike & Bruce to continue building and adding players
UNLESS things go really bad here - Mike gets another year ….. after that we can bring in a new coaching staff and rule the NFL
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:who cares how good or great someone was - this is a "what have you done lately" league nobody is 'rewarded' for doing well in the past - they get 'rewarded' based on what they are likely to do in the future
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with the whole "past performance is the best indicator for future success" theory? MS got a $5M per year deal because of what he did in the past.
nice try! Mike was primarily brought in to bring this franchise back from the disaster that was due to Cerrato and Snyder not just to be the HC
I believe Mike should come back for another season - NOT because of what he's done as a HC but because of what he's done with Bruce Allen AND ESPECIALLY what they are going to do - IMO these guys have done a good job rebuilding our franchise
I don't really think Mike is a great HC but he's 'earned' another year - I don't care that we switched from the 4-3 - it's not the system it's the execution - we wouldn't be any better if we'd stayed with the 4-3 and the players did not make tackles or the secondary couldn't cover ANYONE
we need Mike & Bruce to continue building and adding players
UNLESS things go really bad here - Mike gets another year ….. after that we can bring in a new coaching staff and rule the NFL
This is extremely important if I am reading SkinsJock correctly. Mike over hauled our FO, changed the scouting system, introduced young free agents, and last but not least tried his best to give credibility back to Washington. Plus he hired a PR guy that can number crunch. Forget the cap hit...What choice did Mike and Bruce have? It was an uncapped year supossedly.
This is the part that really gets me though. Joe came in here and utilized Vinny, Snyder and what he had with a scouting department and still went to the play offs a couple of times with old school coaching. The man never gets much credit for his second stint with today's young crowd.
This is the real booger... Joes ole one back system was working and he hired AL. Al came in here and we took two steps back until Joe fixed it once again.
Technically, Mike didn't hire Bruce. I think we know they had this planned in Mikes hiatus.
Kilmer72 wrote:This is the real booger... Joes ole one back system was working and he hired AL. Al came in here and we took two steps back until Joe fixed it once again.
+1 It was an example of fixing what wasn't broken, We lost games the year before because the defense stunk, not the offense.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
we need to let these guys continue to make this franchise better …
Mike and Bruce have done enough in fixing what was NOT working - they should get another year
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:who cares how good or great someone was - this is a "what have you done lately" league nobody is 'rewarded' for doing well in the past - they get 'rewarded' based on what they are likely to do in the future
So are you agreeing or disagreeing with the whole "past performance is the best indicator for future success" theory? MS got a $5M per year deal because of what he did in the past.
nice try! Mike was primarily brought in to bring this franchise back from the disaster that was due to Cerrato and Snyder not just to be the HC
I believe Mike should come back for another season - NOT because of what he's done as a HC but because of what he's done with Bruce Allen AND ESPECIALLY what they are going to do - IMO these guys have done a good job rebuilding our franchise
I don't really think Mike is a great HC but he's 'earned' another year - I don't care that we switched from the 4-3 - it's not the system it's the execution - we wouldn't be any better if we'd stayed with the 4-3 and the players did not make tackles or the secondary couldn't cover ANYONE
we need Mike & Bruce to continue building and adding players
UNLESS things go really bad here - Mike gets another year ….. after that we can bring in a new coaching staff and rule the NFL
I agree with what you are saying --- but he was paid $5M because he was winner in the past. The contract was inked before his rebuilding.
As far as the other, I'm sure you read my post defending MS in the other thread. The main reason for why I agree MS should get another year is because of how bad of a condition this frachise was in when he entered. Regardless of record, we are respectable. In 2009, we were a 100% joke. The amount of change that had to occur with this franchise should not be underestimated.
markshark84 wrote: .. The main reason for why I agree MS should get another year is because of how bad of a condition this frachise was in when he entered. Regardless of record, we are respectable. In 2009, we were a 100% joke. The amount of change that had to occur with this franchise should not be underestimated.
I cannot agree more - Mike and Bruce have done wonders here - I don't think too many fans really appreciate how far we've come from 2009
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Kyle is not that great a coach but the trouble with this team is the defense and special teams. Robert needs to refine as a QB but he is really young and we all forget that. He is playing like a rookie - which in many ways he is given the goofy offense they ran last year that defenses have figured out. I think a year of adversity will do him some good in all honesty. Of all the young QB's - Luck, Kap, Wilson, Cam, and Tannehill I am good with Robert. I think Luck will be the best of them, Wilson plays on a very good team, Cam is on his way to being elite and I really think in a couple years no one will remember Kap because he is an immature punk who clearly will not be able to handle adversary and he has a lunatic coach.
I really don't understand the fascination with Wilson. He's on a team that's loaded with talent on both sides of the ball, and he's nothing more than an above average game manager, IMO. He's not even in the same league as Griffin and Luck. I agree about Kaepernick. Overrated and already figured out.
Every great NFL quarterback (with the possible exception of Ben Roethlisberger) has a refined pocket presence. Griffin, at this point, does not. This should be alarming to Washington, because it factors into the amount (and severity) of hits RG3 takes.
A lot of the points brought up in this article have been mentioned by quite a few folks on the board. It's always interesting seeing such analysis because it explains a lot of what we see and gives meaning to it. We're so quick to blame the offensive line when RGIII is being pummeled and are stuck when Shanahan praises the line. Well, this is a good indication why.
I am concerned about how many hard hits Robert has taken this season - that's not a good thing
I do think that this season has been difficult for him as both he and Kyle have tried to do things differently …
I don't think that it's 'alarming' - it's just a phase and he's going to be a better QB for it
I do agree that the hard hits are a concern but I'm not worried about his 'learning curve' I know that's a contradiction but …..
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
RG3 is not playing well but there are a bunch of good players and coaches here that are not doing their jobs as well as they can
this is very frustrating but there is no way that we should not look forward to many years of having a really good QB and leader in Robert Griffin III
this guy is a really good athlete and he will come out of this a better QB
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Robert will have growing pains guys. This is an EXCELLENT article and a good description on how defenses are playing us differently this year. I imagine teams will start playing us with 7 man fronts from here on out until Robert learns to start checking down or finding the second and third receiver since Denver and Philly have now had success disrupting what Robert likes to do. Be patient with him. We need a better defense and him to continue developing and the skies the limit. Don't kill the goose. http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-reds ... challenges
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and the arm of Mark Rypien... Who would ever stop him?
nice try! 
