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At this point Morris has to prove he ISNT the better option in order to justify making the switch.

96 yds and 2 TD's. c'mon man.

Most of those yards came at the end of the game when the defense knew we were burning the clock too. He's the right guy for now. I'd rather the poll have been worded differently though. The 4th option was way too strong.

Deadskins wrote:Royster was hotter, albeit only on two carries. It's hard to show what you can do, if you don't get on the field.

If the first back is hot, then unfortunately, the other backs won't get on the field much.

I am with you that Royster most likely would have had an impressive game as well and most likely owuld not have had the collision with RGIII, but riding the "hot hand" means that you stick with it.

Red_One43 wrote:Shanny's MO is to ride the "hot hand" when it comes to running backs. Last year's Ram's game was a perfect example of this. Hightower was the starter and Helu was the change of pace guy, but neither was getting the job done. Torain is inserted and he not only is successful, he is "hot" and he plays the rest of the way.

They started the "hot" back, Torain, the next game against Philly, but Philly gamed planned for his lack of speed and the wide 9 shut him down.

Today, AM is the "hot" back. He will start against the Rams, if he has the success that he had last week, we will see only spot performances with Helu and Royster. If the spot performances from Helu and Royster produce big yards, we will see more of them. It is a simple formula for Shanny.

Injuries do effect this formula. I would guess that Royster would have had more carries last week, but was probably nicked up. I love Royster's vision. Also, Shanny said in training camp how much he liked Royster. I see Royster as the first back in if the wholes are tight.

Shanny loves speed, Helu will always factor in the formula. He got Helu in the passing game last week. Shanny will continue to try to take advantage of Helu's speed like lining him up in the wideout position.

With all that said, AM is the man until he lowers the temperature or the other guys get as hot or hotter.

Agreed. And I bet Morris knows he's only that far away from the bench, too.

Not that he seems to have any problems with motivation.

jmooney wrote:At this point Morris has to prove he ISNT the better option in order to justify making the switch.

96 yds and 2 TD's. c'mon man.

Most of those yards came at the end of the game when the defense knew we were burning the clock too. He's the right guy for now. I'd rather the poll have been worded differently though. The 4th option was way too strong.

I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked. So in light of his blown plays, and the new love the fans have for him over Helu and Royster- I gave you option 4.

Regardless of who gets the rock I hope they pick up blitz, secure the ball, and break a hundred. -i just feel Royster is the best option for that no biggie

jmooney wrote:At this point Morris has to prove he ISNT the better option in order to justify making the switch.

96 yds and 2 TD's. c'mon man.

Most of those yards came at the end of the game when the defense knew we were burning the clock too. He's the right guy for now. I'd rather the poll have been worded differently though. The 4th option was way too strong.

I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked. So in light of his blown plays, and the new love the fans have for him over Helu and Royster- I gave you option 4.

Regardless of who gets the rock I hope they pick up blitz, secure the ball, and break a hundred. -i just feel Royster is the best option for that no biggie

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked

So in other words, you didn't provide us with your choice either?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked

So in other words, you didn't provide us with your choice either?

Mine is obviously the not impressed start Royster, followed by he did aight let's see helu.. and then the most realistic choice of option 3.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked.

As I'm an outsider from the UK, I'm not afraid to ask the naive question here: is it certain that the two sacks were Morris' fault? One botched handoff and a mix up in the backfield? There were two rookies in the backfield when those errors happened - is it possible that RGIII was actually responsible for both? All it takes is a slight variation in the way that the QB drops back, and everything can go wrong from there.

Again, maybe it's obvious for you guys that Morris was at fault, but I can't tell.

UK Skins Fan wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked.

As I'm an outsider from the UK, I'm not afraid to ask the naive question here: is it certain that the two sacks were Morris' fault? One botched handoff and a mix up in the backfield? There were two rookies in the backfield when those errors happened - is it possible that RGIII was actually responsible for both? All it takes is a slight variation in the way that the QB drops back, and everything can go wrong from there.

Again, maybe it's obvious for you guys that Morris was at fault, but I can't tell.

One was absolutely his fault. I'll see if I can find the video doubt it though..

FWIW the only thing rookie about RGiii is his tenure... He's shown NFL maturity well beyond his rookie year. Making plays that a lot of vets would miss. Like the Garçon td... He was the second or third read, under pressure and led to a spot for serious yac. Yes it was high and a beautiful grab but was a mature play.
Morris ran into him more then once, that's on Morris... Hell RGiii is out there blocking for Morris, didn't see and good sticks by AM for griff, did you?

Lol like the first line says, I'm bored with anticipation for Sunday, nothings in the news... So let's talk pointless crap about our rbs!

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I made the poll... And also stated my biases. I think a lot of people are in love with Morris, but I see a rookie running back doing aight, missing holes and causing my qb to get sacked

So in other words, you didn't provide us with your choice either?

Mine is obviously the not impressed start Royster, followed by he did aight let's see helu.. and then the most realistic choice of option 3.

OK, I was confused by what you said. I thought you said there were pluses and minuses, which I agree with.

So you want to bench a rookie who started his first game and ran 96 yards and scored two touchdowns because you view him has being responsible for a sack. And you're so sure that no one would say the kid did fine, let's just stay with what we did last week that out of 4 choices you gave us, that wasn't one of them.

I get it now, thanks for clarifying that.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote: So in other words, you didn't provide us with your choice either?

Mine is obviously the not impressed start Royster, followed by he did aight let's see helu.. and then the most realistic choice of option 3.

OK, I was confused by what you said. I thought you said there were pluses and minuses, which I agree with.

So you want to bench a rookie who started his first game and ran 96 yards and scored two touchdowns because you view him has being responsible for a sack. And you're so sure that no one would say the kid did fine, let's just stay with what we did last week that out of 4 choices you gave us, that wasn't one of them.

I get it now, thanks for clarifying that.

Kas, I think your taking a pointless, BIAS, all in good fun poll waaaaay to seriously my dawg... Vote for the third or fourth option if you liked what you saw from AM.

Now my beef with him is: Most of his yards were gained in the second half w RGiii opening up the D and a softened run stop. 96 yards? Yaaaaay... Oh wait on 28 carries? That's not impressive. *RGiii AND Royster were over 4 ypc vs his 3.4. He caused the only sack, missed blocks, can't run up the middle for beans, can't find holes with consistency- hence the take it outside every run attitude, and for me is a spell/third down back right now. Let's not forget NO has a pretty bad D right? Hate to think what one of the other backs could have done...
Another fact: both Helu and Royster went OVER 100 on their first starts, and had less touches = higher ypc.
If Morris is alls we had, cool run the piss outa him... But we have 2 second year vets who have proven they can play at a high level consistently.. NOW I hope Morris can prove me wrong and you can say "told ya so"... But Im overly confident if Royster gets the nod, ill be the one saying it.
No big deal here.. one rookie in the backfield is enough for.me RIGHT now. Plus I have Royster on my th.n ff team!

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Now my gripe: Most of his yards were gained in the second half w RGiii opening up the D and a softened run stop. 96 yards? Yaaaaay...

Isn't this the way it is supposed to work? Passing game opens up the run. Run opens up the pass. The goal is balance. A rookie QB's best friend is a running game. The point is Alfred did the job and guess what - he stayed healthy doing it. Who is the better back right now, it could be Royster, but you have to be healthy - Royster was not during the preseason.

Oh wait on 28 carries? That's not impressive. *RGiii AND Royster were over 4 ypc vs his 3.4. He caused the only sack, missed blocks, can't run up the middle for beans, can't find holes with consistency- hence the take it outside every run attitude, and for me is a spell/third down back right now. Another fact: both Helu and Royster went OVER 100 on their first starts, and had less touches = higher yac.

Royster and Helu could not win the starting job by opening day - since you are comparing the different seasons with this one. No way Royster and Helu were even close to being able to pass block at this same time last year. As far as ypc, Royster's were against a last place defensive team and the last game of the season with nothing to play for (I am not knocking Royster's feat, but I am saying that you are comparing apples to oranges on this fact.)

If Morris is alls we had, cool run the piss outa him... But we have 2 second year vets. I hope Morris can prove me wrong and you an say "told ya so"... But Im overly confident if Royster gets the nod, ill be the one saying it.
No big deal here.. one rookie in the backfield is enough for.me RIGHT now. Plus I have Royster on my th.n ff team!

Though Royster might be a better overall back right now -
Two issues that might ensure that Morris will get the most carries this season (barring serious injury) are:

1. Morris' potential to get better - again, he is well ahead of both Helu and Royster at this stage last year. He doesn't have the balance problems that Royster had last year.

2. The nagging injuries of Helu (feet) and Royster (shoulder last year and knee this year) are starting to spell - these guys are backs who are meant to spell (as in change of pace).

Most folks don't realize how bad Royster's shoulder was in that last game. It was talked about on the locka radio talk shows. If we had another game with Helu, banged up, hightower on IR, and Royster banged up, we would have had to call Torain back or something drastic.
Point: Royster has yet to show that he is capable of staying healthy.

Mike_Jones_WaPo wrote:Evan Royster was also banged up on the drive and visited the locker room briefly before eventually returning to the game.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foo ... _blog.html

DarthMonk wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:I'm not sold on Alfred Davis

Me neither! Who is he again?

Maybe our boy had just done something that reminded him of Sleepy Davis just as he was posting.



DarthMonk

I am thinking that CKR is in the mind of Shanny on this one. Forget this back by committee stuff, I want my Terrell Davis. I am going to turn Alfred Davis, I mean, Alfred Morris into my new Terrell Davis. Got my QB (Griffin)! Got my WR (Garcon)! Now, I see visions of my RB in Morris. Run Davis Run! I mean Morris!

Red1, I hear all your points and know them trust me.. I'm bias, I never said my reasoning was the only way to see things tho.
I've also stated maybe the other two are getting some healing time before a start, so Im with you there. I don't know that we can compare where each rookie was at the being of last season cus we had HT and Torain carrying the load before either got a start.
FTR Royster started the last two, or at least another game including the last and was well over 100 pg w a 5.9 ypc. All I'm getting at is I felt he showed promise, and would like to see him get the nod when he's healthy. I'm no longer argueing him over AM for the opener, that day has come and gone.

Sorry I can't quote you and break em up on my phone, at least not easily..

Btw: when did you start your reply? Lol I edited it asap yet your reply w my quotes are the non edited version 30 mins later

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Red1, I hear all your points and know them trust me.. I'm bias, I never said my reasoning was the only way to see things tho.
I've also stated maybe the other two are getting some healing time before a start, so Im with you there. I don't know that we can compare where each rookie was at the being of last season cus we had HT and Torain carrying the load before either got a start.
FTR Royster started the last two, or at least another game including the last and was well over 100 pg w a 5.9 ypc. All I'm getting at is I felt he showed promise, and would like to see him get the nod when he's healthy. I'm no longer argueing him over AM for the opener, that day has come and gone.

Sorry I can't quote you and break em up on my phone, at least not easily..

Btw: when did you start your reply? Lol I edited it asap yet your reply w my quotes are the non edited version 30 mins later

I hear ya.

One thing we agree upon is Royster is a good back and would have most likely had a good game last week. Personally, just want to see the best back in the game in the right situation.

I think Morris has earned the starting role, but I would like to see a little more Royster earlier in the game and see who really has the hot hand, but I have no problem with Shanahan riding Morris if the O is producing like it did last week.

We need a RB that can shake off the aches and pains. Helu and Royster got banged up quick last year. That is what I see. I do like them all and they all have to play a lot. They have a role and we will see Morris get even better.

Uhh fine!
-a couple injuries doesn't.mean you are injury prone tho, obviously. Ap tore his ACL vs us last year, does that.mean he isn't durable?









Yes!

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Uhh fine!
-a couple injuries doesn't.mean you are injury prone tho, obviously. Ap tore his ACL vs us last year, does that.mean he isn't durable?

Yes!

In a two game sample, he bangs up a shoulder and is in a state where he was in jeopardy of playing a third game. One can play through a banged up shoulder, ask Clinton Portis and Emmit Smith. One cannot play through an ACL - the injuries don't compare. Does this prove that Royster is not durable? No, but it raises questions.

But here's the problem:

2012: A few carries in preseason and practices with no bringing to the ground. Sore knee. Does this prove he is not durable? No, but it raises more questions.

These aren't just a couple of injuries - they are a couple injuries with a small sample of carries.

Morris has taken a lot of hits against first team Defenses in the preseason (he's given a lot too) and carried 28 times last week. He is showing signs that he can carry the ball 20+ times a game through out the season. This is the guy you ride and the others situational backs and play as much as they are the hot guy.

And Royster broke the all-time leading rusher record... Being hurt all the time huh?

I kid I kid.. this whole thread is just pass time till he game, we know this right??

cowboykillerzRED wrote:And Royster broke the all-time leading rusher record... Being hurt all the time huh?

I kid I kid.. this whole thread is just pass time till he game, we know this right??

Not sure what staying healthy in college has to do with not staying healthy last year after two starts and this year after barely playing in the preseason and not being tackled in practice.

We can all agree that the pro level is faster and harder hitting than than the college level, right?

Fact is in a very small sample of pro football to include preseason Royster has gotten banged up last season and this season.

You are just kidding for this thread, CKR? I am kidding too. This has been a fun thread. I mean, we all have said that it doesn't matter who the starter is in a Shanny backfield anyway. That doesn't necessarily mean that he will get the most carries.

Again, last year's game, Ram game was classic Shanny with a committee backfield. Hightower starts. Helu plays a lot, but Torain gets the most carries. Who saw that going into the game?

All this other stuff about injuries was just fun to counter your just fun bias, right?

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Kas, I think your taking a pointless, BIAS, all in good fun poll waaaaay to seriously my dawg... Vote for the third or fourth option if you liked what you saw from AM

So you put up a poll and if I respond with my opinion, I'm taking it too seriously. I never get people who say that, but whatever...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Kas, I think your taking a pointless, BIAS, all in good fun poll waaaaay to seriously my dawg... Vote for the third or fourth option if you liked what you saw from AM

So you put up a poll and if I respond with my opinion, I'm taking it too seriously. I never get people who say that, but whatever...

Dooooode... I put up a BIAS poll... Don't cry about not having the "perfect" selection for "me". I never get people who don't read the first damn paragraph of a damn topic. Don't put me on blast cus I didnt feed you the right phrase to vote for....... When its blatanutly obvious to me, and everyone else, that I made this thread to pass time and cry about my boy Royster not getting the start. Gohead and single yourself out, but what ever... Voting doesn't matter in this one so lighten up K

Try not to worry too much about Kazoo - he could turn brushing his own teeth into a full scale congressional debate

UK Skins Fan wrote:Try not to worry too much about Kazoo - he could turn brushing his own teeth into a full scale congressional debate

Don't laugh, fluoride is a communist conspiracy you know

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Kas, I think your taking a pointless, BIAS, all in good fun poll waaaaay to seriously my dawg... Vote for the third or fourth option if you liked what you saw from AM

So you put up a poll and if I respond with my opinion, I'm taking it too seriously. I never get people who say that, but whatever...

Dooooode... I put up a BIAS poll... Don't cry about not having the "perfect" selection for "me". I never get people who don't read the first damn paragraph of a damn topic. Don't put me on blast cus I didnt feed you the right phrase to vote for....... When its blatanutly obvious to me, and everyone else, that I made this thread to pass time and cry about my boy Royster not getting the start. Gohead and single yourself out, but what ever... Voting doesn't matter in this one so lighten up K

Cry? The need to start assigning emotions to other people would seem to me to be the clearest indication of who is taking this discussion too seriously. I haven't insulted you and I haven't said how you felt. If I need a girlfriend to discuss how I feel, I will let you know.