We have two 5th rounders next year (thanks to Haynesworth). The key for me is what is RGIII saying about the guy. The Baylor spokeman said that the coaches like him and that he did what he was supposed to do on the field.
Hypothetical - RGIII says, Coach I know the guy. He needs some guidance. He works hard and and is dedicated to the game.
My scoutts say - coach he is the real deal. Raw - but the real deal as far as talent.
Bills, Browns will check out Josh Gordon on Tuesday
The list of teams heading to Houston to check out wide receiver Josh Gordon’s Tuesday workout keeps growing.
We learned earlier Monday that the Cowboys will be there to watch the former Baylor wideout do his thing and now a pair of AFC clubs have been added to the mix. James Walker of ESPN.com reports that the Bills will be in attendance and Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon-Journal passes along the same information about the Browns.
frankcal20 wrote:Question is, who's place does he take on the roster? What if it doesn't work out? You've given up on a player who's probably experienced and talented for an unproven guy who, while has measurables, hasn't done it at this level and also has had some problems.
Probably Anthony Armstrong or Terrence Austin, I would guess. I get your point though, and I pretty much agree. I kinda think we would just have to trust the coaches on whether they think he is a likely upgrade to either of those two.
I keep reading that Armstrong and Austin are both likely in their last year to show that they can get it done. If that is the case, then I don't think its entirely crazy to consider.
I see both of these players being at or near their ceiling. To me we have to continue to dig for young talent that has the potential to develop into a key cog given the opportunity (ala Victor Cruz). Not saying Gordon is the answer. We know he is a risk. I just see him potentially having a much higher cap as a developmental player, which is what anyone beyond the #4 receiver should be. If the cards fall right and the potential becomes capability, you have a lot more than a #5 or #6 guy.
Yeah, I'm really not sold on Austin and Armstrong was a huge disappointment last season.
I'm not saying I'm right, but if Shanny feels the same way then why not look for a rough diamond to polish up...? If the guy has more potential upside than those two then its worth giving it a go.
If RG3, having done some work with our receiving corps now, says this guy would be better then a couple that we already have then would you ignore him...?
Having said that, he would need to be a better bet than the guy we'd probably get with the draft pick we'd lose next season.
Colorado Skin Fan wrote:I see both of these players being at or near their ceiling. To me we have to continue to dig for young talent that has the potential to develop into a key cog given the opportunity (ala Victor Cruz). Not saying Gordon is the answer. We know he is a risk. I just see him potentially having a much higher cap as a developmental player, which is what anyone beyond the #4 receiver should be. If the cards fall right and the potential becomes capability, you have a lot more than a #5 or #6 guy.
Yep, I understand what you are saying and completely agree. I don't think its a matter of being "desperate" either. We just happen to be a team with a two year salary cap penalty and no first round draft picks in the near future. If we have an opportunity to upgrade WR at a discount, maybe we're a team who takes the risk to make it happen.
Btw did anybody else read today that it was "an NFC East team" who gave him that 3rd round grade?
Colorado Skin Fan wrote:I see both of these players being at or near their ceiling. To me we have to continue to dig for young talent that has the potential to develop into a key cog given the opportunity (ala Victor Cruz). Not saying Gordon is the answer. We know he is a risk. I just see him potentially having a much higher cap as a developmental player, which is what anyone beyond the #4 receiver should be. If the cards fall right and the potential becomes capability, you have a lot more than a #5 or #6 guy.
Yep, I understand what you are saying and completely agree. I don't think its a matter of being "desperate" either. We just happen to be a team with a two year salary cap penalty and no first round draft picks in the near future. If we have an opportunity to upgrade WR at a discount, maybe we're a team who takes the risk to make it happen.
Btw did anybody else read today that it was "an NFC East team" who gave him that 3rd round grade?
The Eagles and the Cowboys were the only confirmed attendees from the NFC East at his pro day today. Most likely one of them that has the 3rd round grade on him.
Supplemental draft prospect Gordon runs 4.52 forty at Pro Day
Top supplemental draft prospect Josh Gordon conducted an individual Pro Day workout at the Houston Texans’ indoor facility on Tuesday morning. Per Adam Caplan, most NFL teams in attendance sent two personnel evaluators – in most instances their college scouting director and one area scout.
The Philadelphia Eagles, Cleveland Browns, Buffalo Bills, and Dallas Cowboys were among the teams confirmed to have attended. Obviously, there were Texans officials on hand, too. In all, 21 teams showed up.
Caplan reports that Gordon ran a 4.52 forty-yard dash after measuring in at 6-foot-3 1/8 and 224 pounds. Gordon recorded a 36-inch vertical leap with a 10-foot, 1-inch broad jump. He did 13 reps on the bench.
He's an inch shorter in height and 1/10 slower in speed.
A pulled hammy and not playing football in a while should be a concern. Teams should expect him to sit next year just to get back in football shape, learn the pro game and develop into a Pro-WR.
Tony Pauline of SI.com and TFY Draft Insider reported that Gordon pulled his quadricep muscle on his second forty-yard dash attempt. According to Rob Rang of CBS Sports, the injury was specifically to Gordon’s left thigh, so he only ended up running the forty once.
Gordon did finish the workout, though, confirming that the injury isn’t a concern. Citing a league source, Rang reported that Gordon exhibited some stiffness during post-forty route-running drills, but “caught the ball cleanly” throughout the workout and demonstrated the ability to secure passes over his shoulder.
Adam Caplan has a few more details. Gordon measured in with an incredibly large 82-inch wingspan, and ten-inch hands. As passed along before, he’s 6-foot-3 1/8-inch tall and 224 pounds. Particularly for an NFL wide receiver prospect, Gordon is a big boy.
Per Caplan, the Seattle Seahawks, Chicago Bears, Kansas City Chiefs, Indianapolis Colts, San Francisco 49ers, New England Patriots, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, and Washington Redskins were among the teams in attendance, in addition to the five clubs mentioned previously.
UPDATE: The Oakland Raiders were also there.
Skins were there! I guess RGIII had some paositves to say about Gordon. How positive? We will see on Thursday.
During the regular draft, teams tend to say good things about players they don’t like and bad things about players they do. So with such a groundswell of good things being said about Gordon, it’s hard not to wonder whether some teams are hoping that someone will use too high of a supplemental pick on Gordon.
Were the Redskins at the pro day because they are interested or because they are trying to get someone to over bid?
Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
Plaxico Burress is a better WR than Josh Gordon
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote: Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
Plaxico Burress is a better WR than Josh Gordon
Youth.
The Burress business is debatable. Though Plaxico definitely has the experience edge (obviously, since Josh has never played a down in the NFL), Gordon has more upside.
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Strengths:
Excellent size
Solid hands
Physical
Dangerous with ball in his hands
Picks up yards after the catch
Is a red-zone weapon
Good third-down receiver
Leaping ability
Scheme versatility
Weaknesses:
Will his speed translate to the NFL?
Quickness?
Year-long suspension for drug issue
Runs too upright
Raw, unpolished
Summary: Gordon is an interesting athlete who looked like he was on the cusp of turning into a good pro prospect. He caught four passes for 65 yards as a freshman in 2009. Gordon served as a nice complementary receiver to Kendall Wright in 2010. Quarterback Robert Griffin III went primarily to Wright, but Gordon was a solid contributor as a sophomore. He totaled 42 receptions for 714 yards and seven touchdowns.
Gordon logged two 100-yard receiving games in his collegiate career. The first came against Kansas with 161 yards and two scores on four catches. He took a screen pass 94-yards for a touchdown against the Jayhawks. His second 100-yard outing came against Kansas State with seven receptions for 141 yards and two scores.
Colorado featured cornerback Jimmy Smith that season, a future first-round pick, and Gordon didn't record a catch in that game. Against good competition Gordon was held in check: Texas (2-23), Oklahoma State (3-29), Texas A&M (3-35) and Oklahoma (2-13) all kept him out of the end zone.
Baylor suspended Gordon heading into his junior season for what he said was a marijuana problem. Gordon transfered to Utah, but never played for the Utes as he sat out the 2011 season per NCAA transfer rules. Rather than play for Utah and improve his stock before going pro, Gordon decided to enter the NFL's 2012 supplemental draft.
Gordon ran the 40-yard dash in the 4.5s at his pro day workout, a time slower than expected. He could fit a variety of offenses in the NFL. Gordon would definitely be a nice fit in a West Coast offense as a Z (flanker) receiver. He has the size to work the middle of the field. Gordon also is a potential red-zone weapon.
Player Comparison: Josh Morgan. When Gordon is playing well, his playing style reminds me of Morgan. They both have some size and play-making ability. Morgan was really starting to be dangerous for San Francisco before he went down with an injury. Washington is excited to have him now. Morgan was a sixth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft. There is a decent chance that Gordon could be selected with a third-day pick.
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I understand that Josh Gordon may become a good WR but the Redskins should not be giving away draft picks for a WR that might be a contributor in the future
I could be wrong - I very much doubt that the Redskins are considering giving up draft picks for a WR - we shall see
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote: Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
Plaxico Burress is a better WR than Josh Gordon
Youth.
The Burress business is debatable. Though Plaxico definitely has the experience edge (obviously, since Josh has never played a down in the NFL), Gordon has more upside.
thanks - that confirms it
The Redskins have other priorities
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote: Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
Plaxico Burress is a better WR than Josh Gordon
Youth.
The Burress business is debatable. Though Plaxico definitely has the experience edge (obviously, since Josh has never played a down in the NFL), Gordon has more upside.
thanks - that confirms it
The Redskins have other priorities
Plus, there's this... while being arrested after passing out in a car that is loaded with... herb... is not the smartest of moves, it does not qualify as "Darwin Award-Stupid"...
OTOH, accidentally shooting yourself in the thigh with your own illegal hand gun absolutely qualifies for the Darwin Awards "didn't-quite-die-from-it" honorable mention category...
But, I agree... I don't know that we need to use a precious pick on a WR at this point.
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SkinsJock wrote:I understand that Josh Gordon may become a good WR but the Redskins should not be giving away draft picks for a WR that might be a contributor in the future
But we give up draft picks EVERY single year for WRs who "might" be contributors in the future. I'm not saying the skins should draft Gordon. Character issues aside though, how is spending a 5th round pick on him any different than drafting Niles Paul in the 5th round or Aldrick Robinson in the 6th?
With any of those guys you're giving away a draft pick for a player who "might be a contributor in the future". The only difference is that Gordon is being selected in the supplemental draft.
The draft pick isn't the question IMHO. If the coaches think he can help the team, then go for it. If he's a real project player who will struggle to make the 53 this year, they're probably better off sticking with one of the current young players who can.
BTW I think that was a quad pull not a hammy yesterday. Much easier to bounce back from.
SkinsJock wrote::shock: Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
Plaxico Burress is a better WR than Josh Gordon
I heard the same thing yesterday on SiriusXM NFL Radio yesterday. Said why take a flyer when you can get a proven product who can get you 9-11 TDs this year. Plax will be an option for any team who has a training camp injury and is a contender for the playoffs. Mark my words.
Was just reported on SiriusXM NFL Radio that RG3 is pushing the Redskins to draft this kid. Who knows if it's legit or not but the rumor is out there and now being advertised.
SkinsJock wrote: Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
Plaxico Burress is a better WR than Josh Gordon
I heard the same thing yesterday on SiriusXM NFL Radio yesterday. Said why take a flyer when you can get a proven product who can get you 9-11 TDs this year. Plax will be an option for any team who has a training camp injury and is a contender for the playoffs. Mark my words.
I get the argument, but seems like kind of a moot point. Spending a draft pick on Josh Gordon doesn't prevent the Skins from signing Plaxico Burress if they wanted to, does it?
I don't really see what Plax has to do with the decision. You could kind of say the same thing about any of the Skins current WRs. Why keep Anthony Armstrong/Brandon Banks/Terrence Austin around when Plax can get you 9-11 TDs this year?
frankcal20 wrote:Was just reported on SiriusXM NFL Radio that RG3 is pushing the Redskins to draft this kid. Who knows if it's legit or not but the rumor is out there and now being advertised.
Why would a team, like the Redskins, give up draft picks for a player when there are better players available
