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HEROHAMO wrote:I think the cap penalties may have been a blessing in disguise. I think it may have forced our F.O. to focus that much more.
I very much disagree. While I think our FO is capable of making the best of a bad situation, losing $36 million over two years is a very bad thing for a team that lacks talent. Already we made a couple of bets on WRs and on our current OLs because we couldn't afford to bring in better talent. If those bets pay off, then good for us, but if not then our cap situation is partly to blame.

At best we'll have gotten kind of lucky.
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Goodell and Mara have effectively delayed this team's development by a couple of years. Which is not "restoring competitive balance", it's maliciously swinging the pendulum against the Redskins. But if we can keep drafting well, we could be in great position to take advantage when our cap position improves in two years time.

I agree with Irn-Bru: no way are the penalties a blessing in disguise. But it does force the front office to do more of what it's already doing.
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rskin72 wrote:Depressing cap news 1niksder. Looks more to me like potentially 15mil over....and nothing done long term w davis, and i think orakpo is up as well for a new contract. Amazing how much trent williams is getting.

Think that salary chart makes the strongest case yet concerning just how much longer the three players u mentioned will be wearing burgundy and gold. Almost makes you start to think about the possibility of trades maybe for draft picks......especially if competition shows other players at comparable skill levels, but with far less of a price tag.

Was at a bbq today talking a bit about the Skins and this season.....kinda soured my mood reading that....of course, at is why we have Bruce Allen to figure a path ahead for us.
Jammal Brown and Chris Chester look like mighty expensive commodities in 2013 as well. Restructure or release, maybe? Although I doubt that Shanahan would want to risk losing a whole side of the line in one offseason, one of them must be a candidate for release as long as one of our reserves shows they can move into the starting lineup.
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rskin72 wrote:Depressing cap news 1niksder. Looks more to me like potentially 15mil over....and nothing done long term w davis, and i think orakpo is up as well for a new contract. Amazing how much trent williams is getting.

Think that salary chart makes the strongest case yet concerning just how much longer the three players u mentioned will be wearing burgundy and gold. Almost makes you start to think about the possibility of trades maybe for draft picks......especially if competition shows other players at comparable skill levels, but with far less of a price tag.

Was at a bbq today talking a bit about the Skins and this season.....kinda soured my mood reading that....of course, at is why we have Bruce Allen to figure a path ahead for us.
Jammal Brown and Chris Chester look like mighty expensive commodities in 2013 as well. Restructure or release, maybe? Although I doubt that Shanahan would want to risk losing a whole side of the line in one offseason, one of them must be a candidate for release as long as one of our reserves shows they can move into the starting lineup.

To be honest UK, let's see where we are at the end of the season as I don't believe that Brown and Chester will be the starters by the end of November. I actually think there's a good chance one will be cut before the season starts and replaced by someone cut elsewhere.

I maybe wrong, but there's something about the OL in its current make up that makes me think Shanny has a further plan before we visit N'Orleans. That may be no more than a 'Let's see who gets cut that could fit in here' or he may have a player in his head he's looking to trade. I don't know, just a feeling I have...
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I very much disagree. While I think our FO is capable of making the best of a bad situation, losing $36 million over two years is a very bad thing for a team that lacks talent.
your front office is to BLAME for this situation. it's just another example in a decade plus long pattern of ow the redskins frontoffice has killed their team.

they didn't "lose" $36 million just like a criminal didn't "lose" his freedom when he was put int jail. they're actions have put them in this situation.


but alls now bad. I mean, you got to be used to last place now, right?
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WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I thought I heard something.

Nevermind, carry on.....
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Irn-Bru wrote:
HEROHAMO wrote:I think the cap penalties may have been a blessing in disguise. I think it may have forced our F.O. to focus that much more.
I very much disagree. While I think our FO is capable of making the best of a bad situation, losing $36 million over two years is a very bad thing for a team that lacks talent. Already we made a couple of bets on WRs and on our current OLs because we couldn't afford to bring in better talent. If those bets pay off, then good for us, but if not then our cap situation is partly to blame.

At best we'll have gotten kind of lucky.


Well I did say may be a blessing in disguise. If our draft picks and free agent signings dont pan out? Then surely it has alot to do with losing 36 million in cap space.

That is the positive spin I am putting on losing 36 million in cap space. Its not too far from the realm of reality to think our team will overcome this major setback. Especially since we have our franchise QB.







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SouthLondonRedskin wrote:WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I thought I heard something.

Nevermind, carry on.....
It's not necessary to point it out every time the wind blows. My 2 cents
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Deadskins wrote:
SouthLondonRedskin wrote:WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I thought I heard something.

Nevermind, carry on.....
It's not necessary to point it out every time the wind blows. My 2 cents
I was just reveling in the futility of their exsistance.

Am I not allowed that privilege on here now....????

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SouthLondonRedskin wrote:WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I thought I heard something. Nevermind, carry on.....
It's not necessary to point it out every time the wind blows.
:shock: speaking of blowing wind - are you kidding? ROTFALMAO

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SouthLondonRedskin wrote:WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I thought I heard something. Nevermind, carry on.....
It's not necessary to point it out every time the wind blows.
:shock: speaking of blowing wind - are you kidding? ROTFALMAO

pot meet kettle :lol:
Is that your opinion, or is that straight from the FO?
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:lol: nice try but ... not really your best comeback :twisted:

keep up the good work ... maybe you'll get to be in charge here soon :roll:
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SkinsJock wrote:maybe you'll get to be in charge here soon :roll:
I wouldn't ever want that thankless task. But it does seem to be one of your goals, since you project that desire onto others so often. Good luck with that. :up:
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There is no way that I could be on the staff nor would I want it

as usual - another misconception :lol:
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Deadskins wrote:
SouthLondonRedskin wrote:WHAT WAS THAT!?!?!?!?

Sorry, I thought I heard something.

Nevermind, carry on.....
It's not necessary to point it out every time the wind blows.
:shock: WHY? some here post BS stuff most all the time :twisted:

it's just a Redskins site - times are tough right now :lol:
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The point was that that kind of non-recognition is still recognition. :idea:
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:shock: oh my!! good for you - keep up the good work :lol:

and this is different, how? http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic ... 994#579994
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:?

Hopefully this mess sorts itself out. Either way, I'm looking forward to better football from this team from here on out
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andyjens89 wrote::?

Hopefully this mess sorts itself out. Either way, I'm looking forward to better football from this team from here on out
I'm looking forward too - from the post by 1niksder it looks grim ...

it seems to me that all we can do now is hope that the guys in charge continue to pull us out of the hole we were in

we do have some people that we can build around and we'll most likely have to move some players that we might not have had to if the ass in NY had not pushed the NFL into punishing us

that situation is not going away soon either
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SkinsJock wrote::shock: oh my!! good for you - keep up the good work :lol:

and this is different, how? http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic ... 994#579994
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Topic, please! :wink:
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andyjens89 wrote::?

Hopefully this mess sorts itself out. Either way, I'm looking forward to better football from this team from here on out
+1 me too.
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Deadskins wrote:
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Deadskins wrote: It's not necessary to point it out every time the wind blows.
:shock: speaking of blowing wind - are you kidding? ROTFALMAO

pot meet kettle :lol:
Is that your opinion, or is that straight from the FO?
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Countertrey wrote:Topic, please! :wink:
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UK Skins Fan wrote:Not as bad as we might have feared?

..., but it does look as though the sky is NOT about to fall in. The work done by the front office (yes Jock, the front office!) to reduce dead cap money has been huge. The drafting of so many players in the last two drafts in particular has left us well placed (assuming that a decent number of this year's picks make the roster of course) We've been able to achieve as much as anybody in the offseason so far, and there are options available if we need to create more space.
They currently have about $4M in space with lots of changes coming based on who makes the team and who doesn't. The impact may have been harder on the front office this year than it will be next year considering they had less than 24 hours notice that they were losing $18M, but carried over $13M plus.

In the end they had $117.69M going in, they have 48 players signed to FA contracts, re-signed, drafted and signed (or will be signed) or signed as UDFA since they were stripped of the $18M., and up until this time next year to deal with next year's lower space.

Currently the 2013 is at $112,900,000 with no dead cap or carry over. If there is truly a flat cap then the Skin's number will be about what theHogster said $102.6M., meaning the Skins would be over by about $10.5M if this were Mid March 2013.

A lot will change by then...

There are 19 guys on that list that will take up more than $9M in cap space next year but none had played a down in the NFL nor did any team spend a draft pick on them. Most of them won't make the roster this season and the max in dead cap will be $18K or a reduction in the 2013 cap numbe by at least $8.5M.

Releasing Moss, Cooley and Hall will add $4.76M in dead cap for 2013 (almost twice the 2012 dead cap so far) but net $15.6M in cap space.

If replacement for Brown and Chester are on the roster going into the off season both could be released for a net savings of $900K so if they aren't playing the team won't be stuck with them.

Wilson, Williams, and Cofield would make good restructure candidates...

With the three cuts mentioned and the 19 players not likely to be on the roster next year the team is looking at being $9.6 under minus any new moves that would effect next year.

As of now they'll have three times the space they had this March :P

It's cap SPACE, so it's all in how you look at it :shock:
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UK Skins Fan wrote:Not as bad as we might have feared?

..., but it does look as though the sky is NOT about to fall in. The work done by the front office to reduce dead cap money has been huge. The drafting of so many players in the last two drafts in particular has left us well placed (assuming that a decent number of this year's picks make the roster of course) We've been able to achieve as much as anybody in the offseason so far, and there are options available if we need to create more space.
They currently have about $4M in space with lots of changes coming based on who makes the team and who doesn't. The impact may have been harder on the front office this year than it will be next year considering they had less than 24 hours notice that they were losing $18M, but carried over $13M plus.

In the end they had $117.69M going in, they have 48 players signed to FA contracts, re-signed, drafted and signed (or will be signed) or signed as UDFA since they were stripped of the $18M., and up until this time next year to deal with next year's lower space.

Currently the 2013 is at $112,900,000 with no dead cap or carry over. If there is truly a flat cap then the Skin's number will be about what theHogster said $102.6M., meaning the Skins would be over by about $10.5M if this were Mid March 2013.

A lot will change by then...

There are 19 guys on that list that will take up more than $9M in cap space next year but none had played a down in the NFL nor did any team spend a draft pick on them. Most of them won't make the roster this season and the max in dead cap will be $18K or a reduction in the 2013 cap numbe by at least $8.5M.

Releasing Moss, Cooley and Hall will add $4.76M in dead cap for 2013 (almost twice the 2012 dead cap so far) but net $15.6M in cap space.

If replacement for Brown and Chester are on the roster going into the off season both could be released for a net savings of $900K so if they aren't playing the team won't be stuck with them.

Wilson, Williams, and Cofield would make good restructure candidates...

With the three cuts mentioned and the 19 players not likely to be on the roster next year the team is looking at being $9.6 under minus any new moves that would effect next year.

As of now they'll have three times the space they had this March :P

It's cap SPACE, so it's all in how you look at it :shock:
thanks 1niksder and thanks UK :D

we can hope that we don't have to take that 18M hit again next year [-o<

can you imagine where we'd be if we still had dumb and dumber running things here - of course our record would have been a lot worse with Campbell as our QB and we could have drafted Luck without giving up any picks :puke:



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