Skins trade for RB Tim Hightower

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:43 pm

frankcal20 wrote:
1niksder wrote:Hold the phone.......

Rumor going around that Holliday will not report to Arizona.

From the NFL: If Vonnie does not report to the Cards, he would be subject to a fine under the terms of the CBA.
He should know that. Lord knows I wouldn't want the Skins to get bamboozled or hoodwinked

He can always report and then retire

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:49 pm

fleetus wrote:
1niksder wrote:Hold the phone.......

Rumor going around that Holliday will not report to Arizona.
It does kind of suck for Holliday. To be the player rep and deal with all the BS through the whole lock-out. Then get traded away right after the NFL resumes work again.

From a technical standpoint, I like the Hightower deal. But Holliday is a good veteran leader and seem to contribute nicely to this defense last season.

Player reps have usually had a high attrition rate, esp when there have been work stopages.

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:56 pm

i don't know why people here are not getting more excited about this. hightower is just a 25 year old RB that

1. rushing yards increased from 399 to 598 to 736

2. average yards per rush increased from 2.8 to 4.2 to 4.8. HE AVERAGED 4.8 YARDS PER RUSH LAST YEAR.

3. he has a nose for the goal line... 23 TDs in 48 games.

4. he is considered a good pass blocker.

shanahan has certainly improved upon alot less than that.

plus... the cards are where RBs go to die. name the last good cardinal RB. all time greats like emmit smith and edgerrian james (albeit the end of their careers) couldn't run the ball there.

i like the idea of trading for a RB that in 3 career years has improved his yards and yards per attempt each year in the league. i see him as our starting RB for the next few years.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:59 pm

They did have Grim running the line there. that tells me how he got those yards.

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:02 pm

frankcal20 wrote:They did have Grim running the line there. that tells me how he got those yards.

they also had no real threat of a passing game with derek anderson, john skelton, and max hall at qb.

jeremyroyce · Post by **jeremyroyce** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:47 pm

Cappster wrote:Hmmm, I would rather have Bradshaw. I don't really get this move.

I agree with you on this. I don't understand this move. And on top of it we gave away ANOTHER draft pick even know it was a late round pick.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:48 pm

Tim Hightower Touchdown Run VIDEO: 70-Yard Rush Stuns Saints

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/1 ... 25952.html

spudstr04 · Post by **spudstr04** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 10:51 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Tim Hightower Touchdown Run VIDEO: 70-Yard Rush Stuns Saints

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/1 ... 25952.html

One cut and GONE!

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:02 am

This guy puts the rock on the ground too much for my liking. Where does he fit in the grand scheme of things? Keiland Williams is out 3rd down guy as of right now, and we need him in there as he is very good at picking up the blitz.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:23 am

PAPDOG67 wrote:This guy puts the rock on the ground too much for my liking. Where does he fit in the grand scheme of things? Keiland Williams is out 3rd down guy as of right now, and we need him in there as he is very good at picking up the blitz.

Williams is a FB right now, Hightower looks to be the 3rd down guy MAYBE

RedskinjXd · Post by **RedskinjXd** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:25 am

PAPDOG67 wrote:This guy puts the rock on the ground too much for my liking. Where does he fit in the grand scheme of things? Keiland Williams is out 3rd down guy as of right now, and we need him in there as he is very good at picking up the blitz.

Answer - Starter. Torrain is injury prone. Teaching not to fumble is somewhat teachable (see > tiki barber). rushing for 4.8 yards per attempt is not. and hightower did that last year.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 10:43 am

Not sure why you two guys said Bradshaw.

It's a hard comparison to make because NYG runs the ball more than AZ but Bradshaw has the same fumble issue that Hightower has. Last year Ahmad had 7 and Tim had 5. If you look at their stats before that it pretty much balances out (fumble wise).

Like someone else said, Bradshaw is going to want starter money and we're not breaking the bank like we used to. I personally think Hightower was a good deal and to add him to the cluster would be great for the younger ones. (not like he's old either so that's also a plus)

Would I liked it if we got McGahee instead, absolutely but "it is what it is" and I'm just happy we're doing something positive.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:37 am

Week Two against Atlanta 2010

The only highlight for Arizona (1-1) was Tim Hightower's 80-yard touchdown run, matching the third longest in franchise history.

HighTower is clearly faster than Torain

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201009190 ... #tab:recap

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:23 pm

jeremyroyce wrote:
Cappster wrote:Hmmm, I would rather have Bradshaw. I don't really get this move.
I agree with you on this. I don't understand this move. And on top of it we gave away ANOTHER draft pick even know it was a late round pick.

It makes perfect sense. He's young, but has three years experience. Torain is injury prone and everyone else is unproven. I am hoping he's good with picking up blitzes, we don't have Portis anymore.

As for Bradshaw, I don't know the details but I'm thinking he's going to be a lot more expensive. This way we have a running back with experience and more money to spend on bigger needs. What I don't get is why you wouldn't want Hightower and yet you'd want to spend more on Bradshaw.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:29 pm

1niksder wrote:Hold the phone.......

Rumor going around that Holliday will not report to Arizona.

Vonny twitted this morning that this was only a rumor and he will be reporting to Arizona today

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:56 pm

Like every move Shanahan and Allen have made so far, adding Hightower:

a) adds talent
b) adds youth
c) brings in a player who IS NOT being handed a starting job, but rather, is going to have to EARN his touches
d) does not put the team on the hook for an overly large contract/bonus

What's not to like? If he fumbles too much, he'll lose reps to Torain/Williams/Helu/Royster

If Torain goes down to another injury, we have another option besides Williams/Helu/Royster, who collectively have 65 rushing attempts in the NFL.

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:19 pm

It's hard not to like this trade - we've given up so little, there is very little downside. On the other hand, the upside is to get a good 3rd back at worst, or maybe a durable new starter at best.

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:20 pm

I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"

The Hogster · Post by **The Hogster** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:25 pm

At first I was iffy on this deal, but after fully looking at Hightower (age, size, highlights) he adds something that makes it exciting.

6 foot 220+lbs 4.43 forty, and Dreadlocks

I think Helu makes it as the 3rd string RB as we go for youth, speed & size.

fleetus · Post by **fleetus** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 3:42 pm

Countertrey wrote:I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"

+1

Passing game is definitely a ???

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 4:49 pm

UK Skins Fan wrote:It's hard not to like this trade

Oh, there are a few who will find it remarkably easy...

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:33 am

fleetus wrote:
Countertrey wrote:I see Shanahan working to create a healthy rotation of down hill runners in the offensive backfield. Next questions: "Can the O-line keep up?" "Will the passing game be adequate to keep the box uncluttered?"
+1

Passing game is definitely a ???

At least it is a ?, the OL is only marginally improved so we know it will be bad, just like last year. The only thing we have done to improve it was sign a Ravens' backup to "improve" one spot.

Very little change to the OL, means very little change to the OL!

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:26 pm

[quote="Red_One43"]Week Two against Atlanta 2010

The only highlight for Arizona (1-1) was Tim Hightower's 80-yard touchdown run, matching the third longest in franchise history.

HighTower is clearly faster than Torain

This is a better link to see the run

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201009190 ... #tab:watch

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:12 pm

Kelli Johnson kjohnsoncsn

First fumble of camp from new RB Tim Hightower

Only one carry from camp, but given his fumbling issues the last couple of years I hope that the staff is able to work with him to get this under control.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Thu Aug 04, 2011 8:28 pm

CanesSkins26 wrote:
Kelli Johnson kjohnsoncsn

First fumble of camp from new RB Tim Hightower
Only one carry from camp, but given his fumbling issues the last couple of years I hope that the staff is able to work with him to get this under control.

He ran into Rex on the exchange made one cut and was gone on the next play