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Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

riggofan wrote:Groan. Seriously? Shanahan cuts a couple 37 year old players, and now he has to admit that he's throwing the season away? The level of hysteria around here during the preseason is ridiculous.

It's not just that. They haven't signed a HIGH QUALITY STARTER yet. Can you even tell me who 2 of our starters on the O-Line will be with Rabach now gone? How about who the 3 starter WR's will be? We have no PROVEN starter at QB, RB, at least 3 of the OL positions, P, PK, at least one of the 3 DL positions, and at least 2 of the 4 LB positions.

In just over 6 weeks we have to put a team on the field to play the first game of the year, against a DIVISION OPPONENT, on your Home Field. I do not at this time see a way this team can be ready to come out and play at a high level on September 11th against the Giants.

Okay, rather than pointing out your frustration that they've not signed any big name FA's (in the good old Danny/Vinny big splash style) why don't you offer how you would personally have done it differently?

They made an offer to S. Holmes and it was rejected. Most believe Holmes preferred to stay with the Jets anyway. Would you have offered substantially more than the Jets did?

Skins agreed to terms with Cofield, who has been a starter for 4 years, is only 27, fits the scheme, hasn't missed games to injury, hasn't had any off field issues and did not commmand Haynesworth money. Pencil him into the starting roster.

They agreed to terms with Josh Wilson, who many believe is better than Carlos Rogers overall, is younger, faster, can return kicks and cost less.

Maybe you would rather throw 15-20 Mil/ year at Asomugha? using up the majority of our cap space? (Assuming you could outbid Tampa.)

I'm not sure you have a realistic concept of free agency in 2011. They have had about 48 hours, so far, to learn the new CBA rules, re-sign their own free agents, sign rookies, sign undrafted free agents, make offers to veteran free agents, release existing players and prepare for training camp.

But your unhappy that they haven't landed a big fish. Instead, they've signed:

S. Moss
Hankerson
Cofield
Stallworth
J. Wilson
K Clemens
Royster


traded
Mcnabb
Haynesworth
Jarmon for Gaffney

Signed numerous undrafted free agents

made offers to:
Holmes
McIntosh
(and others)

released:
Rabach
Daniels
Brown
Kemoeatu
and others

and the above list is just off the top of my head. I know I am missing several other moves. Have a little patience. Clearly they are busy. In my opinion, they are also doing a very good job addressing our needs, adding depth and good competition for starting positions. We've been down the road of signing big name free agents. Now it is time to make every starting player on the roster earn their spot and continue to play well enough to keep that starting role. The best teams in football have positions two and three people deep just waiting to take that starting job away.

What are the big money moves made by Pittsburgh so far? How about the Patriots? How about the PAckers? Where are their signings of Holmes, Asomugha, Rice?

Thank you to the Redskins organization for 7 great years. It's tough to say goodbye when you have bled burgundy & gold for so many years. I have no regrets because I left everything on the field. To Redskin Nation who have supported me all this time I got nothing but love for you. God opens doors no man can close and close doors no man can open. I want to keep playing football and proud of what I have accomplished as a Redskin. Hail To The Redskins and good luck to all the guys that I loved going to battle with.

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Phillip Daniels is a Classy GUY! Will be missed!

WR Roydell Williams will be released

fleetus wrote:They made an offer to S. Holmes and it was rejected. Most believe Holmes preferred to stay with the Jets anyway. Would you have offered substantially more than the Jets did?

There are other WR's out there. Two different Moss' that we didn't have previously on our roster, for example.

fleetus wrote:Skins agreed to terms with Cofield, who has been a starter for 4 years, is only 27, fits the scheme, hasn't missed games to injury, hasn't had any off field issues and did not commmand Haynesworth money. Pencil him into the starting roster.

Pencil him intot he starting lineup ONCE HE LEARNS THE SYSTEM. He's got SIX WEEKS to learn that entire system. I'm not holding my breath on that.

fleetus wrote:They agreed to terms with Josh Wilson, who many believe is better than Carlos Rogers overall, is younger, faster, can return kicks and cost less.

Maybe you would rather throw 15-20 Mil/ year at Asomugha? using up the majority of our cap space? (Assuming you could outbid Tampa.)

Yes I would have thrown the money at Asonugha.

fleetus wrote:I'm not sure you have a realistic concept of free agency in 2011. They have had about 48 hours, so far, to learn the new CBA rules, re-sign their own free agents, sign rookies, sign undrafted free agents, make offers to veteran free agents, release existing players and prepare for training camp.

Remember that I am no fan at all of the financial system the NFL uses. I HATE the Salary Cap and always have. I have even less interest in Rookies, especially undrafted ones.

fleetus wrote:signed:
S. Moss, Hankerson, Cofield, Stallworth, J. Wilson, K Clemens, Royster

None of whom I really have any use for. Moss is the best of that bunch, which isn't saying much.

fleetus wrote:traded
Mcnabb, Haynesworth, Jarmon for Gaffney

I'd have just CUT the first two and I'd rather have Jarmon over Gaffney.

fleetus wrote:Signed numerous undrafted free agents

Again, I have no use for rookies drafted or undrafted.

fleetus wrote:made offers to:
Holmes, McIntosh, (and others)

Yep, and I asked the best looking girl in school to the Senior Prom. She turned me down, as Holmes did, and I thought someone said they never actually made the offer to Rocky to rescinded it.

fleetus wrote:released:
Rabach, Daniels, Brown, Kemoeatu, and others

Six weeks before the season and we're throwing away the only guys we've got who know the system. Great move.

fleetus wrote:Have a little patience. Clearly they are busy. In my opinion, they are also doing a very good job addressing our needs, adding depth and good competition for starting positions. We've been down the road of signing big name free agents. Now it is time to make every starting player on the roster earn their spot and continue to play well enough to keep that starting role. The best teams in football have positions two and three people deep just waiting to take that starting job away.

I do not, never have, and never will have patience. Being busy isn't necessarily the best thing if you're not busy doing the RIGHT things. I'd rather LOSE with the big names than to WIN with the no-names. Considering I get the feeling we're going to LOSE with the no-names, that makes the team almost unwatchable.

fleetus wrote:What are the big money moves made by Pittsburgh so far? How about the Patriots? How about the PAckers? Where are their signings of Holmes, Asomugha, Rice?

I'm n ot a Packers, Patriots or Steelers fan. I couldn't really care any less what those teams do.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

fleetus wrote:They made an offer to S. Holmes and it was rejected. Most believe Holmes preferred to stay with the Jets anyway. Would you have offered substantially more than the Jets did?

There are other WR's out there. Two different Moss' that we didn't have previously on our roster, for example.

fleetus wrote:Skins agreed to terms with Cofield, who has been a starter for 4 years, is only 27, fits the scheme, hasn't missed games to injury, hasn't had any off field issues and did not commmand Haynesworth money. Pencil him into the starting roster.

Pencil him intot he starting lineup ONCE HE LEARNS THE SYSTEM. He's got SIX WEEKS to learn that entire system. I'm not holding my breath on that.

fleetus wrote:They agreed to terms with Josh Wilson, who many believe is better than Carlos Rogers overall, is younger, faster, can return kicks and cost less.

Maybe you would rather throw 15-20 Mil/ year at Asomugha? using up the majority of our cap space? (Assuming you could outbid Tampa.)

Yes I would have thrown the money at Asonugha.

fleetus wrote:I'm not sure you have a realistic concept of free agency in 2011. They have had about 48 hours, so far, to learn the new CBA rules, re-sign their own free agents, sign rookies, sign undrafted free agents, make offers to veteran free agents, release existing players and prepare for training camp.

Remember that I am no fan at all of the financial system the NFL uses. I HATE the Salary Cap and always have. I have even less interest in Rookies, especially undrafted ones.

fleetus wrote:signed:
S. Moss, Hankerson, Cofield, Stallworth, J. Wilson, K Clemens, Royster

None of whom I really have any use for. Moss is the best of that bunch, which isn't saying much.

fleetus wrote:traded
Mcnabb, Haynesworth, Jarmon for Gaffney

I'd have just CUT the first two and I'd rather have Jarmon over Gaffney.

fleetus wrote:Signed numerous undrafted free agents

Again, I have no use for rookies drafted or undrafted.

fleetus wrote:made offers to:
Holmes, McIntosh, (and others)

Yep, and I asked the best looking girl in school to the Senior Prom. She turned me down, as Holmes did, and I thought someone said they never actually made the offer to Rocky to rescinded it.

fleetus wrote:released:
Rabach, Daniels, Brown, Kemoeatu, and others

Six weeks before the season and we're throwing away the only guys we've got who know the system. Great move.

fleetus wrote:Have a little patience. Clearly they are busy. In my opinion, they are also doing a very good job addressing our needs, adding depth and good competition for starting positions. We've been down the road of signing big name free agents. Now it is time to make every starting player on the roster earn their spot and continue to play well enough to keep that starting role. The best teams in football have positions two and three people deep just waiting to take that starting job away.

I do not, never have, and never will have patience. Being busy isn't necessarily the best thing if you're not busy doing the RIGHT things. I'd rather LOSE with the big names than to WIN with the no-names. Considering I get the feeling we're going to LOSE with the no-names, that makes the team almost unwatchable.

fleetus wrote:What are the big money moves made by Pittsburgh so far? How about the Patriots? How about the PAckers? Where are their signings of Holmes, Asomugha, Rice?

I'm n ot a Packers, Patriots or Steelers fan. I couldn't really care any less what those teams do.

So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I asked you in another thread, "Vinny, is that you logging in as "Redskins Fanatic"?

fleetus wrote:So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I know plenty about football. I also know the NFL hasn't had an interest in playing real football since the early 1990's at the most recent. I don't have little patience.... I have NO patience. If I'm going to invest my time, interest, and money on this team I darn well expect to get a return on that investment. We can't acquire a proper roster because of the Godforsaken Salary Cap, which would be more appropriate in the former USSR than the United States of America.

fleetus wrote:I asked you in another thread, "Vinny, is that you logging in as "Redskins Fanatic"?

No, I'm not Vinny, but I'd rather have Vinny back than this bunch of losers. At least those teams were interesting to watch, unlike this team is going to be.

fleetus wrote:
So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I knew you would figure it out. He's good for a laugh every now and then, but it's mostly nonsense when dealing with train of thought.

1niksder wrote:

fleetus wrote:
So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I knew you would figure it out. He's good for a laugh every now and then, but it's mostly nonsense when dealing with train of thought.

+1 for both of you

1niksder wrote:

fleetus wrote:
So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I knew you would figure it out. He's good for a laugh every now and then, but it's mostly nonsense when dealing with train of thought.

I question the use of that word in this context

yupchagee wrote:

1niksder wrote:

fleetus wrote:
So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I knew you would figure it out. He's good for a laugh every now and then, but it's mostly nonsense when dealing with train of thought.

I question the use of that word in this context

OK you got me there...

1niksder wrote:

fleetus wrote:
So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I knew you would figure it out. He's good for a laugh every now and then, but it's mostly nonsense when dealing with train of thought.

Not to mention that, as of November 28, 2010, RF officially quit on the 'Skins. Does more need to be said?

Countertrey wrote:

1niksder wrote:

fleetus wrote:
So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I knew you would figure it out. He's good for a laugh every now and then, but it's mostly nonsense when dealing with train of thought.

Not to mention that, as of November 28, 2010, RF officially quit on the 'Skins. Does more need to be said?

My head hurts when I try and keep up with RF's posts.

I haven't read all pages:
How about Daniels?
Golston gone?
Kimo?
Carloser....he can go too.....

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

fleetus wrote:So basically it seems, you don't know much about football, you have very little patience and you don't understand why the team can't just snap their fingers and have an instant roster full of Pro Bowlers, no matter the cost.

I know plenty about football. I also know the NFL hasn't had an interest in playing real football since the early 1990's at the most recent. I don't have little patience.... I have NO patience. If I'm going to invest my time, interest, and money on this team I darn well expect to get a return on that investment. We can't acquire a proper roster because of the Godforsaken Salary Cap, which would be more appropriate in the former USSR than the United States of America.

fleetus wrote:I asked you in another thread, "Vinny, is that you logging in as "Redskins Fanatic"?

No, I'm not Vinny, but I'd rather have Vinny back than this bunch of losers. At least those teams were interesting to watch, unlike this team is going to be.

So you'd rather have no salary cap so that there can be a few teams (like the Yankees/Red Sox) with 200+ Million $$$ payrolls and another group who can't afford $50 Million competing head to head for entertainment purposes. Yeah, that makes lots of sense

We would never see the Green Bay Packers or Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl again. Just like we haven't seen the Milwaulkee Brewers or Pirates in the World Series in the modern era of big money players.

For someone who keeps harping on the entertainment value, you sure do have a warped sense of it. Sure, let's watch the Jets, Giants, Cowboys and Redskins use the Packers, Steelers, Buccaneers and Chiefs as their minor league player development teams! Woohoo, go get the popcorn!

tribeofjudah wrote:I haven't read all pages:
How about Daniels?
Golston gone?
Kimo?
Carloser....he can go too.....

Daniels Gone
Golston hasn't re-signed
Kemo Gone
Rogers hasn'tre-signed

fleetus wrote:So you'd rather have no salary cap so that there can be a few teams (like the Yankees/Red Sox) with 200+ Million $$$ payrolls and another group who can't afford $50 Million competing head to head for entertainment purposes. Yeah, that makes lots of sense

I grew up in the heart of the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry and I still live there. I believe that if you don't have the $$$ to compete you should get out of the league. I'm all for contracting 8 NFL franchises TODAY in order to improve the quality of the league.

fleetus wrote:We would never see the Green Bay Packers or Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl again. Just like we haven't seen the Milwaulkee Brewers or Pirates in the World Series in the modern era of big money players.

Hey, too bad for them. That's not MY problem. Maybe those places really need to look at new ownership, moving the team, or contracting themselves from the league if they're not able to compete.

fleetus wrote:For someone who keeps harping on the entertainment value, you sure do have a warped sense of it. Sure, let's watch the Jets, Giants, Cowboys and Redskins use the Packers, Steelers, Buccaneers and Chiefs as their minor league player development teams! Woohoo, go get the popcorn!

MY entertainment. Not yours, nor the fans of some other team. I an not a fan of the game of football or the NFL as a league. I have been a fan of the Washington Redskins. That is the only place where my loyalty has ever been.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote: I have been a fan of the Washington Redskins. That is the only place where my loyalty has ever been.

Uh huh...

Countertrey wrote:Uh huh...

"have been".... PAST TENSE.


"only place my loyalty has ever been"... Indicates I have not and will not root for another team. Does not indicate I root for the team currently.


English is a language that one must read very carefully at times, because words often have many more than one way to be interpreted.

Just doing what I can to remind folks of history... It's a service that I'll continue to provide as indicated.

'preciate any assistance you may offer.

Countertrey wrote:Just doing what I can to remind folks of history... It's a service that I'll continue to provide as indicated.

'preciate any assistance you may offer.

That's fine. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page, and apparently we are.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

Countertrey wrote:Just doing what I can to remind folks of history... It's a service that I'll continue to provide as indicated.

'preciate any assistance you may offer.

That's fine. Just wanted to make sure we were on the same page, and apparently we are.

Why are you on the same page?
He's a die-hard fan and you said you were done 8 months ago

1niksder wrote:Why are you on the same page?
He's a die-hard fan and you said you were done 8 months ago

On the same page regarding my fandom, or lack thereof related to this team.

MAYBE, if this team and franchise get their collective heads out of their posteriors at some point in history I could start rooting for them again, but I don't see that happening at any point in the near future, as I'm sure CT and you already know.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

1niksder wrote:Why are you on the same page?
He's a die-hard fan and you said you were done 8 months ago

On the same page regarding my fandom, or lack thereof related to this team.

MAYBE, if this team and franchise get their collective heads out of their posteriors at some point in history I could start rooting for them again, but I don't see that happening at any point in the near future, as I'm sure CT and you already know.

Maybe if you get your head out of yours you would see what's going on

Don't you ever.. ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever put yourself in the same category as CT.. you just made yourself look even more retarded by that statement. CT is a REAL fan unlike you who just "uses THN to rant and rave", he actually adds substance.