Countertrey wrote:Dude... I do know sarcasm... is that what that was????
Regarding your bizarre conspiracy concept... you are familiar with Occam's razor, right?
Yes, the maggot is... most deservedly... dead.
most certainly was sarcasm.... what, you thought I was a "fan" of the guy.
Nope. Just thought it didn't make sense.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Retired Army Lt. Colonel Ralph Peters on tv (my paraphrase):
1. The Pakistanis knew UBL was in the compound. He was NOT free to leave. They housed him there and would "use" him at their convenience and if he stayed put, they would protect him. So much for protection.
2. the Seals destroyed the downed chopper NOT to keep it from the Taliban....but to keep the Pakistanis from sharing it with their BEST friends the Chinese, who would have used reverse engineering to copy USA technology
3. practice makes perfect: Navy Seals and other Spec. Ops were near flawless in their mission.
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
I'm happy our president (no matter who it was) made that call to go in there and handle business. Good for him for "pulling the trigger" on our folks going in there and taking care of that piece of trash.
Not just a victory for America, its really a victory for the world.. a medium size victory in my opinion because you cut off one head and another will grow. Hopefully the others who are thinking of rising up will realize that the world (maybe more specifically US) is tired of the crap and they will get handled.. heck, even if it takes 10 years it'll be handled.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND OUR FAM/FRIENDS KEEPIN US SAFE! I'll never stop saying it!
I will probably get beat up in this crowd for posting this but it's right on IMO and a great quote from MLK Jr as well.
TZM: Response to Media; Death of Osama bin Laden
On May 1, 2011 Pres. Barack Obama appeared on national television with the spontaneous announcement that Osama bin Laden, the purported organizer of the tragic events of September 11th 2001, was killed by military forces in Pakistan.
Within moments, a media blitz ran across virtually all television networks
in what could only be described as a grotesque celebratory display,
reflective of a level of emotional immaturity that borders on cultural
psychosis. Depictions of people running through the streets of New York and Washington chanting jingoistic American slogans, waving their flags like the members of some cult, praising the death of another human being, reveals yet another layer of this sickness we call modern society.
It is not the scope of this response to address the political usage of such
an event or to illuminate the staged orchestration of how public perception was to be controlled by the mainstream media and the United States Government. Rather the point of this article is to express the gross
irrationality apparent and how our culture becomes so easily fixed and
emotionally charged with respect to surface symbology, rather than true
root problems, solutions or rational considerations of circumstance.
The first and most obvious point is that the death of Osama bin Laden means nothing when it comes to the problem of international terrorism. His death simply serves as a catharsis for a culture that has a neurotic fixation on revenge and retribution. The very fact that the Government which, from a psychological standpoint, has always served as a paternal figure for it citizens, reinforces the idea that murdering people is a solution to anything should be enough for most of us to take pause and consider the quality of the values coming out of the zeitgeist itself.
However, beyond the emotional distortions and tragic, vindictive pattern of rewarding the continuation of human division and violence comes a more practical consideration regarding what the problem really is and the
importance of that problem with respect to priority.
The death of any human being is of an immeasurable consequence in society. It is never just the death of the individual. It is the death of
relationships, companionship, support and the integrity of familial and
communal environments. The unnecessary deaths of 3000 people on September 11, 2001 is no more or no less important than the deaths of those during the World Wars, via cancer and disease, accidents or anything else.
As a society, it is safe to say that we seek a world that strategically
limits all such unnecessary consequences through social approaches that
allow for the greatest safety our ingenuity can create. It is in this
context that the neurotic obsession with the events of September 11th, 2001 become gravely insulting and detrimental to progress. An environment has now been created where outrageous amounts of money, resources and energy is spent seeking and destroying very small subcultures of human beings that pose ideological differences and act on those differences through violence.
Yet, in the United States alone each year, roughly 30,000 people die from
automobile accidents, the majority of which could be stopped by very simple structural changes. That's ten 9/11's each year... yet no one seems to pine over this epidemic. Likewise, over 1 million Americans die from heart disease and cancer annually - causes of which are now easily linked to environmental influences in the majority. Yet, regardless of the over 330 9/11's occurring each year in this context, the governmental budget allocations for research on these illnesses is only a small fraction of the money spent on “anti-terrorism” operations.
Such a list could go on and on with regard to the perversion of priority
when it comes to what it means to truly save and protect human life and I
hope many out there can recognize the severe imbalance we have at hand with respect to our values.
So, coming back to the point of revenge and retribution, I will conclude
this response with a quote from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., likely the most
brilliant intuitive mind when it came to conflict and the power of
non-violence. On September 15, 1963 a Birmingham Alabama church was bombed, killing four little girls attending Sunday school.
In a public address, Dr. King stated:
“What murdered these four girls? Look around. You will see that many
people that you never thought about participated in this evil act. So
tonight all of us must leave here with a new determination to struggle. God has a job for us to do. Maybe our mission is to save the soul of America. We can't save the soul of this nation throwing bricks. We can't save the soul of this nation getting our ammunitions and going out shooting physical weapons. We must know that we have something much more powerful. Just take up the ammunition of love.”
- Dr. Martin Luther King, 1963 -
~Peter Joseph
wwwthezeitgeistmovement.com
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Here's another great quote that I think applies. When is this nonsense going to end. The next thing that will happen after this is one of our cities is going to get nuked, or as Vet said, some sort of ramification. People, wake up, this is large scale gang warfare.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
--Martin Luther King, Jr
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chiefhog44 wrote:"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate"
Justice is not hate, sorry
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
the world is a much better place without this very sick person who was full of so much hatred
Osama bin Laden was responsible for the death of more Muslims than Americans
Justice was only a part of what his death accomplished
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:the world is a much better place without this very sick person who was full of so much hatred
Osama bin Laden was responsible for the death of more Muslims than Americans
Justice was only a part of what his death accomplished
I keep hearing that. Someone give me a link about UBL's murdering of Muslims.... That's news to me, really.
Dude, if you know ANYTHING about him his objective is overthrowing the Saudi regime. Asking people to prove an outlandish claim is one thing, asking them to do basic research that's common knowledge for anyone even generally aware of the subject is another.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
SkinsJock wrote:the world is a much better place without this very sick person who was full of so much hatred
Osama bin Laden was responsible for the death of more Muslims than Americans
Justice was only a part of what his death accomplished
Agreed, and I'm sick of the stupid that "to kill someone full of hate to stop him from killing is hate" excrement. If we weren't full of hate, we'd just asking him to stop and not really do anything to show we're full of love.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
SkinsJock wrote:the world is a much better place without this very sick person who was full of so much hatred
Osama bin Laden was responsible for the death of more Muslims than Americans
Justice was only a part of what his death accomplished
I keep hearing that. Someone give me a link about UBL's murdering of Muslims.... That's news to me, really.
Dude, if you know ANYTHING about him his objective is overthrowing the Saudi regime. Asking people to prove an outlandish claim is one thing, asking them to do basic research that's common knowledge for anyone even generally aware of the subject is another.
No, I was busy reading about Attila the Hun and Gengis Khan.
Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another.
chiefhog44 wrote:Here's another great quote that I think applies. When is this nonsense going to end. The next thing that will happen after this is one of our cities is going to get nuked, or as Vet said, some sort of ramification. People, wake up, this is large scale gang warfare.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" --Martin Luther King, Jr
chiefhog44 wrote:Here's another great quote that I think applies. When is this nonsense going to end. The next thing that will happen after this is one of our cities is going to get nuked, or as Vet said, some sort of ramification. People, wake up, this is large scale gang warfare.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" --Martin Luther King, Jr
meh. Please feel free to hunker down and hide. Whether you cower in a corner, or spend the next week dancing on a street corner, there are more of these thugs plotting your death... well, maybe not you specifically, but you'd do. They don't need additional motivation... and they will attempt to carry out their treachery regardless.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion on this, but while you're wringing your hands out of your misplaced concern for our national soul, and perpetuating this (apparently) fictitious quote, I think I'll have another beer.
Cheers.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
chiefhog44 wrote:Here's another great quote that I think applies. When is this nonsense going to end. The next thing that will happen after this is one of our cities is going to get nuked, or as Vet said, some sort of ramification. People, wake up, this is large scale gang warfare.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" --Martin Luther King, Jr
meh. Please feel free to hunker down and hide. Whether you cower in a corner, or spend the next week dancing on a street corner, there are more of these thugs plotting your death... well, maybe not you specifically, but you'd do. They don't need additional motivation... and they will attempt to carry out their treachery regardless.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion on this, but while you're wringing your hands out of your misplaced concern for our national soul, and perpetuating this (apparently) fictitious quote, I think I'll have another beer.
Cheers.
Dancing on the street corner? Huh? Funny thing is that I'm making a point that dancing on the street corner over this guys death is pathetic. Killing this guy means nothing, and if you think it serves any purpose than to continue this hatred and continued division between our cultures, you have your head in the sand. The difference between US citizens dancing in the streets celebrating this and watching, what our culture deems to be crazy extreme fundamentalist protesters burning the american flag on TV, is slim at best. And by continuing this revenge and retaliation, we are leading ourselves to a larger scale attack on more innocent people. If you can't see the irrepairable harm in this continued support of violence, then I guess all I can say is, don't spill too much of that beer down the front of your shirt while you choke down on another chicken leg.
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chiefhog44 wrote:Here's another great quote that I think applies. When is this nonsense going to end. The next thing that will happen after this is one of our cities is going to get nuked, or as Vet said, some sort of ramification. People, wake up, this is large scale gang warfare.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" --Martin Luther King, Jr
chiefhog44 wrote: Dancing on the street corner? Huh? Funny thing is that I'm making a point that dancing on the street corner over this guys death is pathetic. Killing this guy means nothing, and if you think it serves any purpose than to continue this hatred and continued division between our cultures, you have your head in the sand. The difference between US citizens dancing in the streets celebrating this and watching, what our culture deems to be crazy extreme fundamentalist protesters burning the american flag on TV, is slim at best. And by continuing this revenge and retaliation, we are leading ourselves to a larger scale attack on more innocent people. If you can't see the irrepairable harm in this continued support of violence, then I guess all I can say is, don't spill too much of that beer down the front of your shirt while you choke down on another chicken leg.
Some people refuse to see the parallels of our society to that of other societies. Part of me is glad that there is some sort of closure in bringing justice onto Bin Laden. Another part of me realizes another human being was killed (not that he didn't deserve it, because he did). It will always be a never ending cycle where I kill your people and you kill my people. And the best I can tell, we are an inherently violent species.
I don't get it. Whomever doesn't agree with killing this terrorist please, give us an alternate way to handle this terrorist situation. You don't support killing the alleged terrorist that was behind attacking us on American soil in one of our most densely populated areas.
What do you want to do, since he shouldn't have been killed? You want to give him a hug?
I do worry about the repercussions, as I said earlier, but that doesn't mean I didn't have a feeling of contentment and satisfaction knowing this bastard is dead. And I'm not ashamed of it one bit. I worry every day about my brothers and sisters in arms in harm's way b/c of that terrorist act and others like it, that cause them to be deployed (allegedly) in America's best interest.
Some people deserve to die IMO. Call it hate, call it justice, call it what you will, but it needs to be done. Maybe some people don't have the intestinal fortitude to come to terms with the fact that the world is a nasty and dangerous place at times, but I do, and I commend the action and what it represents. I just with it was done 9 years ago.
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The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
chiefhog44 wrote:Here's another great quote that I think applies. When is this nonsense going to end. The next thing that will happen after this is one of our cities is going to get nuked, or as Vet said, some sort of ramification. People, wake up, this is large scale gang warfare.
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that" --Martin Luther King, Jr
meh. Please feel free to hunker down and hide. Whether you cower in a corner, or spend the next week dancing on a street corner, there are more of these thugs plotting your death... well, maybe not you specifically, but you'd do. They don't need additional motivation... and they will attempt to carry out their treachery regardless.
You are absolutely entitled to your opinion on this, but while you're wringing your hands out of your misplaced concern for our national soul, and perpetuating this (apparently) fictitious quote, I think I'll have another beer.
Cheers.
Dancing on the street corner? Huh? Funny thing is that I'm making a point that dancing on the street corner over this guys death is pathetic. Killing this guy means nothing, and if you think it serves any purpose than to continue this hatred and continued division between our cultures, you have your head in the sand. The difference between US citizens dancing in the streets celebrating this and watching, what our culture deems to be crazy extreme fundamentalist protesters burning the american flag on TV, is slim at best. And by continuing this revenge and retaliation, we are leading ourselves to a larger scale attack on more innocent people. If you can't see the irrepairable harm in this continued support of violence, then I guess all I can say is, don't spill too much of that beer down the front of your shirt while you choke down on another chicken leg.
And, you have gone out of your way to, not only destroy the context of my post, but to miss my very clear point. Whatever. You are entitled to your opinion, naive as it is. However, you have no right to attempt to lecture those of us who see this as a joyful occasion. It is not our job to see to your comfort.
My point is, your hand wringing over this matters not to those who wish us harm (I suspect you know that, but it does not serve your purposes). The fact of bin Laudin's death is all the additional motivation they need to try a little harder. Our celebration makes no difference. They are coming. Whether we dance on the corner, or whether we hide in our basements, they will try (is that clear enough yet?). Fortunately, the pathetic are not in a position to defend us. Fortunately, there are plenty who are willing to stand in their way... and not many of them see celebration of the death of Osama as a problem.
Interesting that you see no problem with your being gamed into posting a fraudulent quote, as MANY hand wringers have. In your eyes, seems to be a mere inconvenience. I see it as a mark against your veracity.
I find it interesting that you see this as a conflict between cultures... I see it as a war against a specific criminal entity. I don't know about YOU, but I'm not in conflict with Islam. Your post suggests that you believe we are. I can see how this could cause you confusion... but, it's not my job to fix that for you.
I'm thrilled that Osama's dead... and I CELEBRATE his demise. Honestly, I do feel some guilt that I'm beginning to take some pleasure that this appears to be causing discomfort among the hand wringers, but, I'll probably get over it. I believe I'll have another beer... Don't fret... I'll make sure every drop is enjoyed... wouldn't want to add to the things you need to worry over.
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Cappster wrote:It will always be a never ending cycle where I kill your people and you kill my people
This is such a ridiculous characterization of what happened. They kill civilians, we kill them, the terrorists. Sure cappster, it's the same.
I drink a toast to the troops who wasted his sorry butt and wish on him what he brought on others. I'd piss on his grave, but I'll settle for drinking a toast and celebrating.
Hail to the Redskins!
Groucho: Man does not control his own fate. The women in his life do that for him
Twain: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way
VetSkinsFan wrote:I don't get it. Whomever doesn't agree with killing this terrorist please, give us an alternate way to handle this terrorist situation. You don't support killing the alleged terrorist that was behind attacking us on American soil in one of our most densely populated areas.
What do you want to do, since he shouldn't have been killed? You want to give him a hug?
I do worry about the repercussions, as I said earlier, but that doesn't mean I had a feeling of contentment and satisfaction knowing this bastard is dead. And I'm not ashamed of it one bit. I worry every day about my brothers and sisters in arms in harm's way b/c of that terrorist act and others like it, that cause them to be deployed (allegedly) in America's best interest.
Some people deserve to die IMO. Call it hate, call it justice, call it what you will, but it needs to be done. Maybe some people don't have the intestinal fortitude to come to terms with the fact that the world is a nasty and dangerous place at times, but I do, and I commend the action and what it represents. I just with it was done 9 years ago.
"That's a clown question, bro" - - - - - - - - - - Bryce Harper, DC Statesman "But Oz never did give nothing to the Tin Man That he didn't, didn't already have" - - - - - - - - - - Dewey Bunnell, America
Cappster wrote:It will always be a never ending cycle where I kill your people and you kill my people
This is such a ridiculous characterization of what happened. They kill civilians, we kill them, the terrorists. Sure cappster, it's the same.
I drink a toast to the troops who wasted his sorry butt and wish on him what he brought on others. I'd piss on his grave, but I'll settle for drinking a toast and celebrating.
Huh? How much "collateral damage" aka killing innocent civilians has the US been the cause of over the years? Anyway, I am glad that Osama is dead, poof, gone, etc... I was simply stating that the world is unfortunate in the way that we have to resort to fighting and killing each other over irresolvable differences.
