Who will be our #1 WR in 2011....?

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:00 pm

Thanks LPJ. Just a player I know well. Although Owen Spencer is pretty sick too, he's only like 185 lbs and 6'2 - that's Armstrong already.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:57 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Thanks LPJ. Just a player I know well. Although Owen Spencer is pretty sick too, he's only like 185 lbs and 6'2 - that's Armstrong already.

Yea man, I know all about him too.. playin against my Terps I couldn't stand them two tall dudes

.. but I'd LOVE for them to have a chance with us with our #1 QB ever, Sexy Rexy

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:20 pm

markshark84 wrote:..... This teams total incompetence at drafting players is disgusting.

I thought we had different guys in charge here now - are we using the same draft gurus and college scouting guys ??

brad7686 · Post by **brad7686** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:04 pm

Julio Jones could end up being REAL good but I see us going qb first round. It just seems as though its going to happen. If we are going to make a big FA splash I would prefer it be Jackson or Mankins. There are also more decent receiver options than normal in FA. I'd also like to add that, as I said, they should have picked up T.O. last year.

CanesSkins26 · Post by **CanesSkins26** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:27 pm

brad7686 wrote:Julio Jones could end up being REAL good but I see us going qb first round. It just seems as though its going to happen. If we are going to make a big FA splash I would prefer it be Jackson or Mankins. There are also more decent receiver options than normal in FA. I'd also like to add that, as I said, they should have picked up T.O. last year.

Green is a stud too if we go wide receiver in the first. Although chances are slim he last to #10.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:45 pm

brad7686 wrote:Julio Jones could end up being REAL good but I see us going qb first round. It just seems as though its going to happen. If we are going to make a big FA splash I would prefer it be Jackson or Mankins. There are also more decent receiver options than normal in FA. I'd also like to add that, as I said, they should have picked up T.O. last year.

I agree with you that TO was worth a look, but no way does a team EVER allow for McNabb and TO to play again together - no matter that those guys say that they made up. When McNabb was pulled in Detroit, TO was the first to come out and say, "I told you so." Can you imagine, what it would have been like this year had TO been on the team with McNabb struggling. Get your popcorn ready!

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:51 pm

Red_One43 wrote:Can you imagine, what it would have been like this year had TO been on the team with McNabb struggling. Get your popcorn ready!

markshark84 · Post by **markshark84** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:01 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
markshark84 wrote:..... This teams total incompetence at drafting players is disgusting.
I thought we had different guys in charge here now - are we using the same draft gurus and college scouting guys ??

I believe that we do have different guys now, but we basically got the same result as in years prior. In last years draft, we were able to get 1 impact player in Williams. Personally, I don't think it is very difficult to pick an impact OT with the 4th overall pick -- and many argue that Okung is actually a better OT, who was taken after Trent.

For the remaining picks, and while I understand these were in the 4-7th rounds, we didn't get one single player that even made the slightest impact. IMHO, you usually can find at least 1 guy in the late rounds that can make some sort of impact -- whether speacial teams or otherwise. Out of those picks we only had 2 guys even make the team and they barely did anything. Riley, our 4th rounder, had 7 tackles and Austin had 1 single catch this year.

Any GM can make sucessful picks in the top 10; what separates the good from the bad are the GMs that can pick up guys in the 4-7 rounds. I didn't see that this year. So, until I see some sort of competency in the FO, my mindset is to maintain the status quo here in DC.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:07 pm

I think this is the first year that we can truly judge the F.O. on the draft only because they've been in office for a year an can have their scouts doing things like they like it done. Like you, I was a bit disappointed to see the pick's not pan out but I also see guys who we found on the street who were major contributors like Armstong and Keiland Williams to name a few.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:25 pm

I don't think there are too many that are arguing about any differences between Williams and Okung - personally I think that Mike & Bruce liked Williams a lot more than Okung and I think that after the past year it was very clear to most that Williams was the better pick for this franchise

I also think that we have to give these guys a little more leeway than 1 draft when saying they are the same or about the same at drafting as the past group were here for over 10 years

these guys know what they're doing - there's absolutely NO comparison

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:30 pm

we are not close enough to being a consistently good offense that we can waste a pick on a WR with the 10th pick - we have too many issues to resolve

I'm not sure that the big, tall, possession type, WR we need is coming from the draft - I also doubt that we give up much if anything for one in a trade

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:04 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I think this is the first year that we can truly judge the F.O. on the draft only because they've been in office for a year an can have their scouts doing things like they like it done. Like you, I was a bit disappointed to see the pick's not pan out but I also see guys who we found on the street who were major contributors like Armstong and Keiland Williams to name a few.

Let's not forget Banks!!!

Armstrong wasn't exactly found on the street. He was signed to the Redskins practice squad during Zorn's last season. Give Shanahan credit for signing him after the season.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redski ... thony.html

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:28 pm

markshark84 wrote:
SkinsJock wrote:
markshark84 wrote:..... This teams total incompetence at drafting players is disgusting.
I thought we had different guys in charge here now - are we using the same draft gurus and college scouting guys ??
I believe that we do have different guys now, but we basically got the same result as in years prior. In last years draft, we were able to get 1 impact player in Williams. Personally, I don't think it is very difficult to pick an impact OT with the 4th overall pick -- and many argue that Okung is actually a better OT, who was taken after Trent.

For the remaining picks, and while I understand these were in the 4-7th rounds, we didn't get one single player that even made the slightest impact. IMHO, you usually can find at least 1 guy in the late rounds that can make some sort of impact -- whether speacial teams or otherwise. Out of those picks we only had 2 guys even make the team and they barely did anything. Riley, our 4th rounder, had 7 tackles and Austin had 1 single catch this year.

Any GM can make sucessful picks in the top 10; what separates the good from the bad are the GMs that can pick up guys in the 4-7 rounds. I didn't see that this year. So, until I see some sort of competency in the FO, my mindset is to maintain the status quo here in DC.

One can't judge a draft class by 1st year especially rounds 4-7.
Riley LOOKS like he is going to be a great find at #4. Fat chance he was going to beat out McIntosh or get much playing time as a rookie behind him. Austin at # 7 LOOKS like a very good find. Fat chance he was going to get much time when Shanny was favoring vets like Galloway and Roydell. Capers at OT was raw. He was a converted TE in college. We have yet to see what he can do. Oh, BTW there have been plenty of busts at OL in the top 4 picks Tony Mandarich, Leonard Davis and sad to say, Big Mike Williams who I do hope makes it at guard for us. Give Shanny his due for Trent. Okung was rated higher than Trent, but the question we might never know is, can Okung do the things that Shanny asks of his O-linemen. Shanny answers - not as good as Trent.

spenser · Post by **spenser** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:26 pm

markshark84 wrote:Why don't we try something CRAZY and find a WR via the draft..... This teams total incompetence at drafting players is disgusting.

The WR position is one of the best positions to find a small school stud late in the draft.

I hear ya, and agree to an extent. The only problem i have with drafting a WR is that is seems to take 3 years to really develop. By the time they are any good they leave for huge money with another team

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:02 pm

spenser wrote:
markshark84 wrote:Why don't we try something CRAZY and find a WR via the draft..... This teams total incompetence at drafting players is disgusting.

The WR position is one of the best positions to find a small school stud late in the draft.

I hear ya, and agree to an extent. The only problem i have with drafting a WR is that is seems to take 3 years to really develop. By the time they are any good they leave for huge money with another team

Everybody is saying that Shanny is looking for the next John Elway and that may be so, but you can bet he is looking for the next Rod Smith (undrafted) or Brandon Marshall (4th round) as well and note that they weren't top draft choices and note both were Shanny finds (Pats signed Smith first, but as soon as he was released Shanny pounced on him).

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:46 am

I wouldn't mind going after Roy Williams of the Cowboys. Look at it this way, he's 6-3 215, is 29, will probably come at a bargain rate, is motivated to beat Dallas and still has star potential. Why not put him in the mix as a possible #1? It's better than using the pick on a rookie.

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:46 am

Maybe, just maybe, my man Malcom Kelly stay healthy this season and becomes that posession guy we need.

KazooSkinsFan · Post by **KazooSkinsFan** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:25 pm

PAPDOG67 wrote:Maybe, just maybe, my man Malcom Kelly stay healthy this season and becomes that posession guy we need.

Unlikely he makes the team based on our IRing him in pre-season with a hangnail. Maybe, but definite long shot. I've had enough watching him on the bench anyway

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:33 pm

didn't Shanny say it was a mistake to put Kelly on IR so early in the year? I think I remember it being said that he had wished he put Kelly on the PUP instead.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:34 pm

frankcal20 wrote:didn't Shanny say it was a mistake to put Kelly on IR so early in the year? I think I remember it being said that he had wished he put Kelly on the PUP instead.

Shanny explained that he didn't put Kelly on the PUP at the start of training camp because Kelly assured him that he was ready to go. The next day, Kelly pulls the hammy again. PUP was then not an option. Shanny was not saying that it was too early to put Kelly on the IR. He was saying that he should have went with his gut and put Kelly on the PUP before training camp. Shanny said that he wanted to support his player, so he listened to what the player said. Shanny's tone of voice in that interview sounded like he was not happy that this situation played out the way it did.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:41 pm

I didn't know that (Had a new baby so didn't follow as closely as normal). I think that's just plain bad luck.

I'm really pulling for Kelly (we share the same last name). Hopefully he's been working with someone who's a hamstring specialist and getting his body right.

Red_One43 · Post by **Red_One43** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:07 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I didn't know that (Had a new baby so didn't follow as closely as normal). I think that's just plain bad luck.

I'm really pulling for Kelly (we share the same last name). Hopefully he's been working with someone who's a hamstring specialist and getting his body right.

I am pulling for him too. I am a Texas Longhorn fan so I have seen him burn us many times when he played at OU. When Healthy, he can play. One of the problems he had under Zorn is he couldn't get separation, but with McCardell coaching him, he must have made enough improvement for for Shanny to IR him and not outright cut him, but as Kaz said, he is a longshot to make it next year because Shanny will be bringing in his guys.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:16 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I'm really pulling for Kelly

I guess I'm pulling for him since he's our guy but geeeez man, this has got to be his last "evaluation" year coming up.. it just has to be

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:03 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:I'm really pulling for Kelly
I guess I'm pulling for him since he's our guy but geeeez man, this has got to be his last "evaluation" year coming up.. it just has to be

Count me in - I like this guy too, but this is put up or your gone time
Kelly's not an 'evaluation' item anymore - he's competing for a spot and he needs to make a huge effort to be in fantastic shape or he'll be gone

PAPDOG67 · Post by **PAPDOG67** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:06 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I didn't know that (Had a new baby so didn't follow as closely as normal). I think that's just plain bad luck.

I'm really pulling for Kelly (we share the same last name). Hopefully he's been working with someone who's a hamstring specialist and getting his body right.

Frank, that's funny, that's my last name as well, maybe we're distant relatives.....and yes, I actually did buy his jersey. I was actually a big fan of his when we drafted him because he looked like he had all the tools. Was't their an article recently which said the Redskins screwed up the original diagnosis?? I think he had a more severe pull or tear than they thought and tried to rush him back there, and Kelly, trying to make the team didn't say anything and tried to push thru it? I thought I read that somewhere.