O Line Help

welch · Post by **welch** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 1:02 am

Perhaps the team can improve the OL by signing several average, but adequate, OL for less money.

I'm thinking about the "Plan B" free agency era, when JK Cooke let Casserly sign enough Plan B free agents that the Redskins had great depth in '90 and '91. I remember one opponent in '91 complaining that if they injured a Redskin starting OL, the Skins would just bring in Mark Addickes or Russ Grimm...both former pro-bowlers playing about half-time because of injuries.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:27 am

welch wrote:Perhaps the team can improve the OL by signing several average, but adequate, OL for less money.

I'm thinking about the "Plan B" free agency era, when JK Cooke let Casserly sign enough Plan B free agents that the Redskins had great depth in '90 and '91. I remember one opponent in '91 complaining that if they injured a Redskin starting OL, the Skins would just bring in Mark Addickes or Russ Grimm...both former pro-bowlers playing about half-time because of injuries.

now that's an interesting thought - I'll take that one step further

I hope that the FO and scouts can find a bunch of average, adequate players that want to be the best they can be in the NFL at their positions - we have more positions of need than most teams because we are VERY old and have not been managed by guys that have a clue about managing a franchise

I think way too much is made about bringing in "star" players when what we need is a lot of players that want to be coached, that can be coached and are really driven to be better - the top 200 players coming out of college are potentially, VERY talented NFL players - finding guys that are incredibly motivated to be coached to be better than they think (KNOW) they are is the key

the better guys like Ozzie Newsome, etc. etc. are the FOs that find a way to not only have good young players but to also have GREAT depth

we need a lot of really motivated young players - NOT a few ("show me the money") great players

UK Skins Fan · Post by **UK Skins Fan** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:51 am

And, returning to the subject of the thread, Jock's recipe can be applied very well to the o-line. We've gone wrong before by thinking that a flashy free agent, or some ageing veteran warhorse who has seen better days, can make our whole line better, when what we really need is a solid GROUP of younger, fitter, faster and more durable offensive linemen. Not a group of five of them, but seven, eight or nine of them.

If I was in charge, I'd make a point of drafting an offensive lineman in the first four rounds (and probably the first three) every single year. But I wouldn't spend a high first round pick on them very often at all.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:37 pm

Smart and coach-able. During the '91 season, maybe mid-season, Joe Gibbs taught his offense the Buffalo "no-huddle" system. They gave Petibon's defense plenty of practice against the no-huddle, and they ran it better than Buffalo in the Super Bowl.

Gibbs later said he could do that because the Hogs were so smart and easy to coach.

crazyhorse1 · Post by **crazyhorse1** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:56 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote:
skins2357 wrote:Man I hope your wrong Kazoo. While I would not mind Brown resigning, I would LOVE to get Harris. He is super young, and has experience and success in SHannys ZBS. I dont think he would be too pricey either seeing that he is only a nautral fit in the ZBS, only these teams would be looking for him then.

I hope your wrong about Rabach. He has been the weak link in our WEAK line for 2 yrs now. If we dont sign a FA Center fine, but give Lichensteiger and Monty chances to take that starting spot. I think either of them could do a better job.

Here is my ideal line next year...

LT - WIlliams
LG - Joseph/Mankins
C - Monty/Lichensteiger/FA

RG - Hudson/Wiesnewski (Also plays C)/Puncey (2nd rounder)
RT - Harris

Realistically I think that is possible. Using a 2nd rounder to draft the best available OG and sighning 2 FAs.
We'll see, but we have so many areas to address I don't think it's going to happen that we sign this many OL's. I think the plan is to keep progressing and keep a stream of picks in. I think it's more likely we sign zero new FA starters then two.
We have no more pressing need than replacing all three of our starting interior OL. I was a Casey Rabach fan until this year. I thought he was our most consistant OL. Not any more, his performance just dropped off a cliff!

Our first three FA, should be a C & 2 OG. If we sign more than three FA, then I'm ok with them not being or first three as long as all three starters are replaced.

I more or less agree, but see also a crying need for a QB of the future. I would take a first round shot at best available QB, as well as forget about Lichensteiger.

Kilmer72 · Post by **Kilmer72** » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:50 pm

crazyhorse1 wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:
KazooSkinsFan wrote: We'll see, but we have so many areas to address I don't think it's going to happen that we sign this many OL's. I think the plan is to keep progressing and keep a stream of picks in. I think it's more likely we sign zero new FA starters then two.
We have no more pressing need than replacing all three of our starting interior OL. I was a Casey Rabach fan until this year. I thought he was our most consistant OL. Not any more, his performance just dropped off a cliff!

Our first three FA, should be a C & 2 OG. If we sign more than three FA, then I'm ok with them not being or first three as long as all three starters are replaced.
I more or less agree, but see also a crying need for a QB of the future. I would take a first round shot at best available QB, as well as forget about Lichensteiger.

I am with you Crazy...I wasn't impressed with Lichensteiger at all.

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:29 pm

We need ALL the help we can get at OL.

I say, RENEW all positions in the OL in FA.I would only keep Trent Williams but he needs a reliable backup.

The rest of the current crop can become backups but only IF they hold on to their jobs in competition.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:11 pm

Redskin in Canada wrote:We need ALL the help we can get at OL.

I say, RENEW all positions in the OL in FA.I would only keep Trent Williams but he needs a reliable backup.

The rest of the current crop can become backups but only IF they hold on to their jobs in competition.

^^^^ that makes sense - hopefully we have a lot of linemen trying out here and I could care less if none of the guys that started here last september except for Williams are on the roster next August - I want to see a lot of new young faces playing on the O line next season as both starters and back-ups