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KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:No need to apologize, I don't care. It's just that 95% of Redskin fans wouldn't agree with you on that. But why the hate for the Patriots? I thought your wife was a Pats fan. Is she the former wife now?

That's fine. We all have our own ways of looking at things.

I feel the Patriots are the Poster Children for everything I believe is wrong with the NFL, post-1994. I actively root for their players to be injured and bad things to happen to that team.

I'm not married and never have been. I could never DATE, nevermind marry a Patriots OR Cowboys fan.

GS-PODS wrote:I'm working on a four pack of Guiness Draft myself. Guiness - breakfast, lunch and dinner of Champions.

And my wife is a stinking Patriots fan so I know how you feel.

That's OK, I found the post. My bad, you didn't like them then either.

Hoss wrote:inquiring minds would like to know........

R_F???

cowboykillerzRED wrote:RF is gspods too? Wtf

RayNAustin wrote:I am surprised, and thought that Rex did a good (not great) job. Let's give him credit for 4 TDs ... but he also had 3 TOs ... the first 2 leading to 14 cowboy points. During the first half of the game, he looked very average to mediocre.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that part of reason we were down 27-7 was an inability to get the offense going, and poor field position due to two Grossman TOs, and bad punting.

The second thing that you need to keep in mind is that the Cowboys defense is very suspect .. having given up 30+ points in 8 of 14 games this year (2 more than the Redskins defense), so, did they get a little soft and complacent with a 20 point lead?

Thirdly, we still lost the time of possession battle, which puts pressure on your defense ... and I don't think that being so imbalanced between the run and pass is the mark of a good scheme ... or play calling.

And fourthly, the pass pro was better today than it has been most of the year (Heyer did not play), but during those times where the pressure was there, Rex didn't fair very well ... 5 sacks, a fumble, 2 picks.

And lastly, it seemed as though the offensive play calling was different this week ... we saw a lot more shorter routs ... slants and screens and so forth, allowing Rex to get the ball out quickly ... was it Rex actually making quicker decisions with the ball, or was it the plays being called that provided him those quicker developing options?

The one thing that made the biggest difference was the Red Zone play ... 4 for 4, and Rex did a very good job and made some nice throws in traffic.

Overall, Rex gets a C+ ... because his 1st 2 TOs led to 14 Dallas points, and the offense's inability to get going in the 1st half led to the 20-7 halftime lead. The final 2 possessions sealed the game for the cowboys ... 17 yards lost on 2 sacks that gave the cowboys good field position for the go ahead score, and the final possession, a pick.

The only Stat that really counts ... another Loss ... and the offense certainly assisted the Cowboys in the first 3 quarters, which tends to get lost in the hoopla of a good 4th Quarter and the overall 4 TD performance, as the Cowboys played soft in the 4th.

Kilmer72 wrote:

RayNAustin wrote:I am surprised, and thought that Rex did a good (not great) job. Let's give him credit for 4 TDs ... but he also had 3 TOs ... the first 2 leading to 14 cowboy points. During the first half of the game, he looked very average to mediocre.

One thing you have to keep in mind is that part of reason we were down 27-7 was an inability to get the offense going, and poor field position due to two Grossman TOs, and bad punting.

The second thing that you need to keep in mind is that the Cowboys defense is very suspect .. having given up 30+ points in 8 of 14 games this year (2 more than the Redskins defense), so, did they get a little soft and complacent with a 20 point lead?

Thirdly, we still lost the time of possession battle, which puts pressure on your defense ... and I don't think that being so imbalanced between the run and pass is the mark of a good scheme ... or play calling.

And fourthly, the pass pro was better today than it has been most of the year (Heyer did not play), but during those times where the pressure was there, Rex didn't fair very well ... 5 sacks, a fumble, 2 picks.

And lastly, it seemed as though the offensive play calling was different this week ... we saw a lot more shorter routs ... slants and screens and so forth, allowing Rex to get the ball out quickly ... was it Rex actually making quicker decisions with the ball, or was it the plays being called that provided him those quicker developing options?

The one thing that made the biggest difference was the Red Zone play ... 4 for 4, and Rex did a very good job and made some nice throws in traffic.

Overall, Rex gets a C+ ... because his 1st 2 TOs led to 14 Dallas points, and the offense's inability to get going in the 1st half led to the 20-7 halftime lead. The final 2 possessions sealed the game for the cowboys ... 17 yards lost on 2 sacks that gave the cowboys good field position for the go ahead score, and the final possession, a pick.

The only Stat that really counts ... another Loss ... and the offense certainly assisted the Cowboys in the first 3 quarters, which tends to get lost in the hoopla of a good 4th Quarter and the overall 4 TD performance, as the Cowboys played soft in the 4th.

Thanks Ray. I just wanted people to see that #5 isn't all that. I know Rex isn't our long term QB but he might be able to handle the role of teaching whom ever might be our young QB.

Kilmer72 wrote:And MacNabb would have thrown for 450 yards and 5 touch downs right?

Kilmer72 wrote:And MacNabb would have thrown for 450 yards and 5 touch downs right?

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

cowboykillerzRED wrote:RF is gspods too? Wtf

Nope. One person, one account.

Dave Allen wrote:Well I am one of those eating a bit of crow. With Grossmans play and the report that McNabb didn't practice hard, I do look at this whole thing a little differently now.

TCIYM wrote:Grossman having a decent game against the second worst scoring defense in the league doesn't impress me much. Dallas gives up an average of 28.2 points per game. Let's see him have the same performance against Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Chicago, Green Bay, a team with a notable defense.

TCIYM wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:And MacNabb would have thrown for 450 yards and 5 touch downs right?

Who knows? McNabb is capable of both excellence and futility, often in the same game.

Kilmer72 wrote:

TCIYM wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:And MacNabb would have thrown for 450 yards and 5 touch downs right?

Who knows? McNabb is capable of both excellence and futility, often in the same game.

Ask Philly Eagle fans. I did. Someone here actually told me to do this when I ask why is it he can throw a 50 yard bomb but struggles with short and medium? The answer is that, that is how he has always been. I like him. I think Macnabb can get it done if he has all the pieces. He didn't. Rex who isn't even half as good, showed us (off the bench pretty much and hasn't played excluding the minute and a half) is smarter. They told me that MacNabb isn't stupid but lacks football smarts for a QB. I will have to say that this is coming from Philly fans so....

Now, I will say this...Rex is going to turn the ball over. Always has and he has shown us he will still. My point is that if someone half as good can do what he did, cold pretty much, then what does that say about our Hall of Famer?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Dave Allen wrote:Well I am one of those eating a bit of crow. With Grossmans play and the report that McNabb didn't practice hard, I do look at this whole thing a little differently now.

I wouldn't take it too hard, you weren't completely wrong. I'm not knocking Grossman. Yes, he made mistakes. Our line was still OK at best and he doesn't have anyone new to throw it to. But he hadn't started a game in over 2 years and it was an admirable effort. But his passes are floaters, we're not going to be a good offense with him. McNabb is far more talented. I'm a lot more comfortable then I was though with Grossman backing him up. I'm sure if we keep McNabb and the coaches give him some you da man he'll be fine. He's a class act.

My favorite play was when Grossman rolled out and threw it away out of bounds, and hello JC are you paying attention? He didn't throw it straight into the ground, he threw it out of bounds PAST the freaking LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!!!! What a game time moron JC was. I'm still not over that.

He didn't throw it straight into the ground, he threw it out of bounds PAST the freaking LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!!!!

Kilmer72 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Dave Allen wrote:Well I am one of those eating a bit of crow. With Grossmans play and the report that McNabb didn't practice hard, I do look at this whole thing a little differently now.

I wouldn't take it too hard, you weren't completely wrong. I'm not knocking Grossman. Yes, he made mistakes. Our line was still OK at best and he doesn't have anyone new to throw it to. But he hadn't started a game in over 2 years and it was an admirable effort. But his passes are floaters, we're not going to be a good offense with him. McNabb is far more talented. I'm a lot more comfortable then I was though with Grossman backing him up. I'm sure if we keep McNabb and the coaches give him some you da man he'll be fine. He's a class act.

My favorite play was when Grossman rolled out and threw it away out of bounds, and hello JC are you paying attention? He didn't throw it straight into the ground, he threw it out of bounds PAST the freaking LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!!!! What a game time moron JC was. I'm still not over that.

He didn't throw it straight into the ground, he threw it out of bounds PAST the freaking LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!!!!

You mean like Donavan does? I mean seriously? Wide open ey last week and he throws 3 or 4 yards short in the dirt and has done that time and again through his whole career as an Eagle.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:PLUS he has double the tds vs ints.... Mcnugget

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Dave Allen wrote:Well I am one of those eating a bit of crow. With Grossmans play and the report that McNabb didn't practice hard, I do look at this whole thing a little differently now.

I wouldn't take it too hard, you weren't completely wrong. I'm not knocking Grossman. Yes, he made mistakes. Our line was still OK at best and he doesn't have anyone new to throw it to. But he hadn't started a game in over 2 years and it was an admirable effort. But his passes are floaters, we're not going to be a good offense with him. McNabb is far more talented. I'm a lot more comfortable then I was though with Grossman backing him up. I'm sure if we keep McNabb and the coaches give him some you da man he'll be fine. He's a class act.

My favorite play was when Grossman rolled out and threw it away out of bounds, and hello JC are you paying attention? He didn't throw it straight into the ground, he threw it out of bounds PAST the freaking LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!!!! What a game time moron JC was. I'm still not over that.

He didn't throw it straight into the ground, he threw it out of bounds PAST the freaking LINE OF SCRIMMAGE!!!!!!!!!!

You mean like Donavan does? I mean seriously? Wide open ey last week and he throws 3 or 4 yards short in the dirt and has done that time and again through his whole career as an Eagle.

We're talking about different things. I'm referring to throwing it away when he's outside the tackle box. McNabb does throw a lot of low balls. He also throws a lot of beautiful passes. Grossman's floaters aren't going to do it it crunch time. It was a good game for a backup. I'm just saying he's not got the arm to be an NFL starter. It's not his fault.

TCIYM wrote:It says to me that Mike Shanahan made another poor personnel decision bringing in a QB in McNabb who doesn't fit his system. I think we all know Shanahan is an egomaniac and would never concede change to fit the players, regardless of how sensical it might be.

Redskins_Fanatic wrote:

TCIYM wrote:It says to me that Mike Shanahan made another poor personnel decision bringing in a QB in McNabb who doesn't fit his system. I think we all know Shanahan is an egomaniac and would never concede change to fit the players, regardless of how sensical it might be.

I agree on the poor personnel decision. I disagree on the idea of changing the system to fit the player. If the player doesn't fit the system you kick him to the curb like the homeless guy who knocks on your car window at the stoplight. Bowing to the player's preferences is simply proof that you don't truly believe in your system.

Bdot wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:And MacNabb would have thrown for 450 yards and 5 touch downs right?

He wouldn't have had 3 turnovers. He would've beaten Dallas. I'm just glad that Shanford & Son are clueless, that's all.