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Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:fans that think their team will have a better draft pick by losing games are stupid

Um, that's the way it works; the worse your record, the better your draft pick.

I also don't see one post that suggests that we throw the game. Now do I see one post suggesting that the coaches or players will prepare to do anything but win, so I'm not sure what he is talking about.

ALL I am saying is that I have no problem with playing Grossman, even if it lowers our chances of winning because I think I would like to see what he can do against the Cowboys, who are not in the playoff hunt either. Wouldn't you like to see what he can do, so we can make an evaluation at the end of the year on drafting a QB or cutting McNabb, or cutting Grossman? Guess not.

The Giants game is totally different. Play them with McNabb and try and spoil something.

some people just don't get it - anyone that thinks a loss helps you in the draft is just a loser and is really stupid
anyone that thinks there are some here that do not understand the NFL draft order are also stupid

now that we've got that straight



there is no way that you can convince me that it's "good" for the Redskins or "good" for the Redskins' draft in 2011, to lose all 3 games
that is just a loser's way of being a fan and is plain stupid

Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way

SkinsJock wrote:some people just don't get it - anyone that thinks a loss helps you in the draft is just a loser and is really stupid
anyone that thinks there are some here that do not understand the NFL draft order are also stupid

now that we've got that straight

That still makes me wonder if you understand how the draft works. No one is saying they want us to lose. No one is saying they think the team would lose on purpose. But there is a benefit if we do lose the game. Anyone who doesn't understand that is "stupid."

Also, it's not unthinkable that once a season is out of reach that a coach might play other people than regular starters for evaluation purposes, to get them real game experience, or to rest an injured starter who might otherwise start if the team were still in the playoff hunt.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:some people just don't get it - anyone that thinks a loss helps you in the draft is just a loser and is really stupid
anyone that thinks there are some here that do not understand the NFL draft order are also stupid

now that we've got that straight

That still makes me wonder if you understand how the draft works. No one is saying they want us to lose. No one is saying they think the team would lose on purpose. But there is a benefit if we do lose the game. Anyone who doesn't understand that is "stupid."

Also, it's not unthinkable that once a season is out of reach that a coach might play other people than regular starters for evaluation purposes, to get them real game experience, or to rest an injured starter who might otherwise start if the team were still in the playoff hunt.

Now I know what it feels like on the other side of the argument...

Red_One43 wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:Personally I think its a rumor.

Unless you know for a certainty that Rex will give us wins I'd rather have Mcnugget in there because i think he'll get us 8-8. Why I need to see Rex now? That's just crazy to me.

8-8? Wow! That is optimism.

Somebody on this dag gone board has to be and I nominated myself for that role!

Kyle Shanahan expects McNabb to start Sunday

Offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan refuted reports of Rex Grossman's increased practice reps and said he expects Donovan McNabb to start against the Cowboys.
"There's no difference this week than last week," said Shanahan, adding that Grossman's practice workload has been "the same as always." Shanahan described McNabb's play as "up and down" and conceded that he'd like to see more accuracy out his starter. McNabb will start at Dallas, but there's too much smoke here not to expect a fire eventually. He remains at risk of getting pulled for Grossman during the game.

Dec. 16 - 5:39 pm et
Source: TBD.com

We stink

The Hogster wrote:We stink

Win for Pride......
Win for the children...........

tribeofjudah wrote:

The Hogster wrote:We stink

Win for Pride......
Win for the children...........

or, lose for a better draft pick...

The Hogster wrote:We stink

We doesn't include all of us, just those of us who give up. Both for players and fans...

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

The Hogster wrote:We stink

We doesn't include all of us, just those of us who give up. Both for players and fans...

"we" also includes those that think it's a good thing to lose to get a better draft pick = stupid

losing is never good - no matter what draft pick a team has in the draft, the most important thing is finding a player that in the future will really help the franchise - I don't think that there is that much difference in 3 or 4 places in the draft that a fan can say - "we did better by picking 7th instead of picking 10th" - finding a good quality player that can help this team is fairly easy in the top 15 - when you get to picks 39 versus pick 43, I just don't see the point
it's a joke to think the team is going to be hurt picking a few places down - what we need is more draft picks not hoping to pick a few places higher


I understand the thought about giving players an opportunity but I think also there is still the thought that the "opportunity" also gives the team a better chance to be successful - I just don't think a coach like Mike EVER just gives a player a shot - I think he's hoping that the player gives him a better chance at success - kind of the same thing but I just think that the ONLY thing that makes a guy like Mike happy is to win that game that day

SkinsJock wrote:"we" also includes those that think it's a good thing to lose to get a better draft pick = stupid

Which is no one. We've been over this before.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:"we" also includes those that think it's a good thing to lose to get a better draft pick = stupid

Which is no one.

There are people on THN who say this every week.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:"we" also includes those that think it's a good thing to lose to get a better draft pick = stupid

Which is no one.

There are people on THN who say this every week.

Not that say it's a good thing to lose. They say if we lose there is good that can come out of it. Totally different concepts in my mind.

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:"we" also includes those that think it's a good thing to lose to get a better draft pick = stupid

Which is no one.

There are people on THN who say this every week.

Not that say it's a good thing to lose. They say if we lose there is good that can come out of it. Totally different concepts in my mind.

Some say like you do, but you should read their words more carefully because they aren't all saying that

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:"we" also includes those that think it's a good thing to lose to get a better draft pick = stupid

Which is no one.

There are people on THN who say this every week.

Not that say it's a good thing to lose. They say if we lose there is good that can come out of it. Totally different concepts in my mind.

No, I see people saying the former all the time. They hate the way the team is being run, or whatever, and remark that they hope we lose so that we get a better draft pick.

You are right that saying this is very different than saying "I hope we don't lose, but if we do at least we get the consolation of a better draft pick." But I think you're wrong that everyone is saying that . . . there are definitely people hoping that we lose.

you should listen to 106.7 - there are guys there that are saying a lot of stupid things too - they are saying that the franchise should be moved somewhere else

this is not that bad a deal guys - this franchise is getting better



btw - I stopped trying to get anything through to the "dead" man a long time ago - he's got issues that I can't do anything about - he has a hard time not putting different meanings to almost every post I make

SkinsJock wrote:he has a hard time not putting different meanings to almost every post I make

It must be the language barrier. I try to read your posts in English.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:he has a hard time not putting different meanings to almost every post I make

It must be the language barrier. I try to read your posts in English.

the old - he's an Aussie and it's all upside down to him theory, eh? that explains some of it

I think I might pack up a box with all my Redskins gear and send it to Danny. I hope there is a lockout. I need a break from this nonsense.

SkinsJock wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:he has a hard time not putting different meanings to almost every post I make

It must be the language barrier. I try to read your posts in English.

the old - he's an Aussie and it's all upside down to him theory, eh? that explains some of it

To be fair, there aren't many on the board who speak Australian... you'd do well to consider that when you respond.... I only understand you because of the months I spent with the Ozzie warrant officer who taught me to use explosives...


Fire in the hole, baby!

Countertrey wrote:I only understand you because of the months I spent with the Ozzie warrant officer who taught me to use explosives...

That'll motivate you to learn Aussie in a hurry

Did he mean to pull the red wire or to not touch the red wire???

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I only understand you because of the months I spent with the Ozzie warrant officer who taught me to use explosives...

That'll motivate you to learn Aussie in a hurry

Did he mean to pull the red wire or to not touch the red wire???

For crying out loud, Kaz, explosives just aren't that complicated... I told you... he was Australian.




Actually, Mr. MacDonald was a genius... and one of my favorite characters ever.

SkinsJock wrote:Chief - there is no way that Shanahan is not playing the guys that he feels give him the best chance to win EACH AND EVERY GAME - no way

Never say never. Playing Albert or Dock gives him a better chance to win but they don't fit what he is trying to do so....There are circumstances.