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Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not too worried about CP's deliberate fall. If CP had stayed up and fumbled, how many of the people who are complaining about his dive would right now be saying "All I'm trying to say is that if he just falls to the ground, then he doesn't risk the fumble. Simple!"

I'd rather have him fall there than try to take on the four guys for a few extra yards with the risk of a fumble. Those five yards are not why we lost the game . . .

I agree - actually it was a very heads up thing to do

CP is showing everyone, on and off the field, that he's trying to do everything he can to help his team - just like he always does

SkinsJock wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not too worried about CP's deliberate fall. If CP had stayed up and fumbled, how many of the people who are complaining about his dive would right now be saying "All I'm trying to say is that if he just falls to the ground, then he doesn't risk the fumble. Simple!"

I'd rather have him fall there than try to take on the four guys for a few extra yards with the risk of a fumble. Those five yards are not why we lost the game . . .

I agree - actually it was a very heads up thing to do

CP is showing everyone, on and off the field, that he's trying to do everything he can to help his team - just like he always does

rediculous. yup, i hope we get players that play scared and go down like a sack of rocks. at least they wont fumble. who wants a guy who can fight through tackels or fight for an extra couple yards. I hope CP gets older and older and is able to play with less and less intensity to the point where mcnabb hands him the ball and he sits down in the backfield.

portis went down on purpose! whether it was his wrist, his concussion or his psyche, if your number one back is falling down on purpose its time to find a new one.

the fact that shanny benched him (and this is a wild guess so dont chop my head off) had less to do with his wrist and more to do with setting an example. he benched his ass for falling down like a little girl when he should have been fighting for this team. just like AH. CP is not above the team. I hope I never have to see this side of CP again.

TincoSkin wrote:who wants a guy who can fight through tackels or fight for an extra couple yards.

Who wants a player who doesn't recognize limits and thus makes mistakes trying to overachieve? CP's wrist is a temporary injury . . . we want him not to make things worse by risking fumbles. Are you ready to cut every player who has any injury affecting him? If so, say goodbye to 50% of the team at any given time. As for me, I'll take players being smart with their bodies when the situation calls for it. And I'll be the first one to criticize Portis if he falls for no good reason. But if being mindful of a temporary injury doesn't count as a good reason, then I don't know what does.

Ever heard people talk about quarterbacks who try to "force it" and end up with interceptions? You should go tell them that any quarterback who isn't trying to force it every time might as well sit down in the backfield and take sacks all day. And you can ask them, sarcastically, "Who wants a guy who can squeeze the football into triple coverage for the amazing touchdown? I hope we get QBs who are scared to make that throw instead" . . . the logic is just about as sound.

TincoSkin wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not too worried about CP's deliberate fall. If CP had stayed up and fumbled, how many of the people who are complaining about his dive would right now be saying "All I'm trying to say is that if he just falls to the ground, then he doesn't risk the fumble. Simple!"

I'd rather have him fall there than try to take on the four guys for a few extra yards with the risk of a fumble. Those five yards are not why we lost the game . . .

I agree - actually it was a very heads up thing to do

CP is showing everyone, on and off the field, that he's trying to do everything he can to help his team - just like he always does

rediculous. yup, i hope we get players that play scared and go down like a sack of rocks. at least they wont fumble. who wants a guy who can fight through tackels or fight for an extra couple yards. I hope CP gets older and older and is able to play with less and less intensity to the point where mcnabb hands him the ball and he sits down in the backfield.

portis went down on purpose! whether it was his wrist, his concussion or his psyche, if your number one back is falling down on purpose its time to find a new one.

the fact that shanny benched him (and this is a wild guess so dont chop my head off) had less to do with his wrist and more to do with setting an example. he benched his ass for falling down like a little girl when he should have been fighting for this team. just like AH. CP is not above the team. I hope I never have to see this side of CP again.

Wow... It's clear that Portis could not have made the right call here for your purposes. 3 players converging on him. Portis knows that the second player is going to take a shot at the ball... If he stays up, takes the hit, looses the ball because he knows that he doesn't have the grip strength to hold it, who is happy with him then?

TincoSkin wrote:the fact that shanny benched him (and this is a wild guess so dont chop my head off) had less to do with his wrist and more to do with setting an example

So CP has a wrist injury, CP was on the sidelines having a coach trying to pry the ball out of his hands, CP had a good first half for the few carries he had, CP has zero history of protecting himself. It isn't a "wild" guess it's a preposterous one when all the facts point to they were concerned about his wrist

If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

I'm pretty certain that neither Portis OR the coaches were worried about "his potentially fumbling (the ball) due to injury" - Portis saw a situation and took the right action

some here are trying to make it sound like A - Portis is no longer capable OR B - there's an option to Portis as RB

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

Because it wasn't "that serious." It was serious enough that Portis wasn't about to take on 3 guys at once, but clearly he was having a good game regardless.

Over at pft...http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/28/clinton-portis-i-did-fall-on-purpose/

"I did fall on purpose," Portis told 106.7 the Fan's The Mike Wise Show, via Cindy Borden the Washington Post. "All week long we were coached to sacrifice yardage for the ball. . . . I wasn't going to risk somebody grabbing my arm, snatching my arm."

Sounds like the injury just added to the equation and Portis made a decision to go down instead of risk having the ball stripped by the three defenders around him. It was probably a good choice on this play, however I can't see him doing it when that wrist is healthy.

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

Because it wasn't "that serious." It was serious enough that Portis wasn't about to take on 3 guys at once, but clearly he was having a good game regardless.

He was having a good day because the run blocking was phenomenal in the first half. Torrain stepped in and got 8 and 10 yard gains without breaking tackles either.

Shabutie wrote:He was having a good day because the run blocking was phenomenal in the first half.

I agree the run blocking was good, but that wasn't the only reason.

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

If we start sitting players who are not 100%, we wouldn't be able to field a full team

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

If we start sitting players who are not 100%, we wouldn't be able to field a full team

I give up.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:Clinton Portis has accompllished many great things in the NFL. I think it is just his time to move on. Unfortunately, no matter how great a player is, age is the ultimate equalizer.

I've been saying I'm worried he's lost a step, but it's time to move on is a bit much at this point. I'm just worried he's moving beyond being our featured back, but I don't think he needs to hang up the cleats yet

Agree Kazoo. CP can still be an effective back in the NFL. He isn't going to be Chris Johnson, but it's also not CP's fault that the team hasn't brought in a younger, more explosive back. Looking around the league, there are plenty of examples of running back tandems that feature both a veteran back and a younger back, like in New York with Green and LT, or in KC with Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles.

It's also hard to judge CP with the poor run blocking. Lots of people thought that LT was done after last year too, and he looks great this year.

Without a doubt Portis can still be effective and can contribute. He is the best the Redskins have at the time. I am not criticising him for going down. I don't think it really made much difference as he was going to get smothered. He has been injured most of the last 3 seasons and I hope that he retires while he has some health left. He has given a lot to the Redskins and doesn't deserve to go out a cripple.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Shabutie wrote:He was having a good day because the run blocking was phenomenal in the first half.

I agree the run blocking was good, but that wasn't the only reason.

The main reason. That is why Torrain (Below-average back) was able to put up similar numbers. If we had RBs that broke tackles we could have had a huge first half running the ball.

here is an article that supports CP's decision, and i think the writer makes some valid points, most of which have been said here already... but nice to know some media can see both sides of the story, and not just the controversial side...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Why-did-Clinton-Portis-take-a-dive-in-the-middle?urn=nfl-272973

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

Because it wasn't "that serious." It was serious enough that Portis wasn't about to take on 3 guys at once, but clearly he was having a good game regardless.

I don't think the fall was a slide, that Portis feared being tackled, or that he was worried about his risk. I think he fell, as usual. The man has lousy balance. I pointed out three years ago that he consistently fell after a couple of cuts beyond the line of scrimmage. Too much is being made of this latest stumble. Same old, same old.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

Because it wasn't "that serious." It was serious enough that Portis wasn't about to take on 3 guys at once, but clearly he was having a good game regardless.

I don't think the fall was a slide, that Portis feared being tackled, or that he was worried about his risk. I think he fell, as usual. The man has lousy balance. I pointed out three years ago that he consistently fell after a couple of cuts beyond the line of scrimmage. Too much is being made of this latest stumble. Same old, same old.

despite all the evidence about this incident - you just have to try and make a point? it's not about you ch1

Portis is our best option at RB - nobody is really under any illusion about how much more we can get from him but he gives it his best shot each week

VetSkinsFan wrote:If his potentially fumbling due to injury was that serious, then shouldn't he have been sitting anyway?

right. if he was able to play and hes our best option, why didnt he play the second half?

TincoSkin wrote: if he was able to play and he's our best option, why didnt he play the second half?

I think that he might not have been able to play as well as he can or as well as they thought he should ... so in that case, he was not the best option

how's that sound?