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Andre Johnson! (OT out of PSU) Without a doubt is the worst Redskins bust ever.
We traded up to get into to the first round, passed on Mike Alstott, and took a player that never dressed for a single NFL game in a Skins' uni. We cut him after one year. No coaching change, no GM change, they just realised he sucked!
He dressed for three NFL games, as a Lion, never started. Not sure if he ever got on the field.

At least Shuler beat the eventual SB Champ Cowgirls. For that alone he falls way below Andre Johnson and it isn't even close in my book.

Throw Michael Westbrook in the mix as well.

Scottskins wrote:Shuler was bad, but how can any signing ever be worse than Deion?! And nobody even mentioned Desmond Howard...

Deion was past his prime and well how much did we really expect from that.

Andre Johnson - easy.

My picks have been mentioned, but:

- Desmond Howard: traded two first round picks to move up and get Howard

- Heath Shuler: Yes, P Manning was the "next" great QB at Tennessee, after Heath-bar.

- A Don Bosseler tip of the feathered helmet to CT for remembering Gary Beban. Lombardi took a look at Beban's passing and said, "Maybe he can be a RB?".

Additional:

- (Ray?) MacDonald, 1st round RB about 1967.

- Ralph Guglelmi, QB from Notre Dame who was supposed to replace Eddie LeBaron. Starting QB during Redskins all-time worst season.

welch wrote:My picks have been mentioned, but:

- Desmond Howard: traded two first round picks to move up and get Howard

- Heath Shuler: Yes, P Manning was the "next" great QB at Tennessee, after Heath-bar.

- A Don Bosseler tip of the feathered helmet to CT for remembering Gary Beban. Lombardi took a look at Beban's passing and said, "Maybe he can be a RB?".

Additional:

- (Ray?) MacDonald, 1st round RB about 1967.

- Ralph Guglelmi, QB from Notre Dame who was supposed to replace Eddie LeBaron. Starting QB during Redskins all-time worst season.

I remember these guys. Dredging up too many nightmares.

yupchagee wrote:

welch wrote:My picks have been mentioned, but:

- Desmond Howard: traded two first round picks to move up and get Howard

- Heath Shuler: Yes, P Manning was the "next" great QB at Tennessee, after Heath-bar.

- A Don Bosseler tip of the feathered helmet to CT for remembering Gary Beban. Lombardi took a look at Beban's passing and said, "Maybe he can be a RB?".

Additional:

- (Ray?) MacDonald, 1st round RB about 1967.

- Ralph Guglelmi, QB from Notre Dame who was supposed to replace Eddie LeBaron. Starting QB during Redskins all-time worst season.

I remember these guys. Dredging up too many nightmares.

Well gawwww leeee sarg...!!! I was swimming the the fallopian tube in '67

welch wrote:My picks have been mentioned, but:
- Desmond Howard: traded two first round picks to move up and get Howard

Howard played 11 years in the NFL and was named the Super Bowl MVP in 1996, so I don't think that it's fair to call him a "bust." Just because the Skins couldn't find a good way to use him doesn't mean that he was a bust of a player. He had a very solid NFL career.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

welch wrote:My picks have been mentioned, but:
- Desmond Howard: traded two first round picks to move up and get Howard

Howard played 11 years in the NFL and was named the Super Bowl MVP in 1996, so I don't think that it's fair to call him a "bust." Just because the Skins couldn't find a good way to use him doesn't mean that he was a bust of a player. He had a very solid NFL career.

to your point - this franchise has not done well with a number of NFL players - there are a lot of players who have been a part of this franchise that were better players before AND after they were a part of this franchise - to be fair there a lot of franchises that could we could say the same thing, but recently (during Snyder's tenure) we seemed to have more than our share of these 'disapointments'

just my opinion BUT most of these examples were due to the fact that they were not utilized to the best of their talents while they were wearing B&G

frankcal20 wrote:Andre Johnson - easy.

Yeah, I'm with you!

This list starts and ends with him. How many other 1st round picks never even dresed for a game and were cut a year after they were drafted!

PAPDOG67 wrote:

patjam77 wrote:

yupchagee wrote:Shuler because he was an early 1st round pick. Most of the others just cost cash.

Shuler at least made the team. Anyone remember Andre Johnson?? A first round pick out of Penn State who, if memory serves me correctly, didn't even make the team!!

I'm sorry, but I WIN!!!

Very good patjam77. I was going to mention him but you beat me to it. Unfortunately I'm a Penn State fan, so I always remember this pick... How about some others:

Desmond Howard
Tom Carter
Michael Westbrook
Taylor Jacobs

Tom Carter can't even be cosidered a first round bust, let alone the Redskins worst. Carter was actually a pretty good CB (better than Carlos Rogers and you can't call Rogers a bust.)

I wouldn't even consider Westbrook a "bust". He is what you typically draft when you draft a WR in the first round. A great athlete with lots of potential that most likely will never be a great reciever. Drafted too high, yes. Bust, no!

Westbrook was actually a 1000 yard WR when he had a good QB.

Howard, Westbrook, an Jacobs all have something incommon that Andre Johnson doesn't; they all actually played for the Skins, Johnson never did!

skinsfan#33 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Andre Johnson - easy.

Yeah, I'm with you!

This list starts and ends with him. How many other 1st round picks never even dresed for a game and were cut a year after they were drafted!

Johnson was a huge bust, but to me it has to be Shuler. Having an offensive linemen be a bust isn't anywhere near as damaging as having a qb turn out to be a bust.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Andre Johnson - easy.

Yeah, I'm with you!

This list starts and ends with him. How many other 1st round picks never even dresed for a game and were cut a year after they were drafted!

Johnson was a huge bust, but to me it has to be Shuler. Having an offensive linemen be a bust isn't anywhere near as damaging as having a qb turn out to be a bust.

Not only was Schuler a huge bust, but he forced us to endure years of Gus Frerotte. That's a double whammy.

Frerotte as your backup, not so bad. Frerrotte as your starter - years of headbutt induced suffering.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Andre Johnson - easy.

Yeah, I'm with you!
This list starts and ends with him. How many other 1st round picks never even dresed for a game and were cut a year after they were drafted!

Johnson was a huge bust, but to me it has to be Shuler. Having an offensive linemen be a bust isn't anywhere near as damaging as having a qb turn out to be a bust.

AND ... it seems almost half who voted also think that Shuler is the worst mistake we made in the draft - at least in recent memory

Audio is garbage but to further your point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL1T_BGQAOM&feature=PlayList&p=9E63068336EBD4F5&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=39

I think this poll shouldn't even have Shuler in it or possibly name the poll the second rated bust of all time instead. Shuler is clearly the worse out of all the names, it isn't even close.

Seems as though the Redskins didn't exist prior to 1990...

Countertrey wrote:Seems as though the Redskins didn't exist prior to 1990...

They did. Trust me. I remember. Good times & bad.

Countertrey wrote:Seems as though the Redskins didn't exist prior to 1990...

Well, from 1969 to 1990, they had 3 first round picks, Art Monk, Mark May, and D. Green. Hard to have busts when you have no first rounders, and prior to 1969 was a long time ago.

dcskinsforever wrote:I think this poll shouldn't even have Shuler in it or possibly name the poll the second rated bust of all time instead. Shuler is clearly the worse out of all the names, it isn't even close.

I don't agree. At least Shuler played for the team and beat a Cowboys team that was 12-4 and won the SB! That right there take him off the list for me.

To me. If you draft a guy in the first round and he never even puts on a uni on game game and you cut him a year later, that is the ultimate bust!

At least Shuler played and won some games (not many, but some). Andre Johnson was drafted in the first round AND NEVER PLAYED!!!! He sucked that bad.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

dcskinsforever wrote:I think this poll shouldn't even have Shuler in it or possibly name the poll the second rated bust of all time instead. Shuler is clearly the worse out of all the names, it isn't even close.

I don't agree. At least Shuler played for the team and beat a Cowboys team that was 12-4 and won the SB! That right there take him off the list for me.

To me. If you draft a guy in the first round and he never even puts on a uni on game game and you cut him a year later, that is the ultimate bust!

At least Shuler played and won some games (not many, but some). Andre Johnson was drafted in the first round AND NEVER PLAYED!!!! He sucked that bad.

Valid point, but Shuler did far more damage to the team than Johnson did. It's not even close, really. Johnson was also taken late in the first round (30th), whereas Shuler was taken 3rd overall. We found other offensive linemen pretty quickly after Johnson, as Samuels and Jansen were drafted pretty soon after. On the other hand, post-Shuler we essentially had year and years of awful qb play and are just know getting a qb that can play at a high level for more than a season.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

dcskinsforever wrote:I think this poll shouldn't even have Shuler in it or possibly name the poll the second rated bust of all time instead. Shuler is clearly the worse out of all the names, it isn't even close.

I don't agree. At least Shuler played for the team and beat a Cowboys team that was 12-4 and won the SB! That right there take him off the list for me.

To me. If you draft a guy in the first round and he never even puts on a uni on game game and you cut him a year later, that is the ultimate bust!

At least Shuler played and won some games (not many, but some). Andre Johnson was drafted in the first round AND NEVER PLAYED!!!! He sucked that bad.

Valid point, but Shuler did far more damage to the team than Johnson did. It's not even close, really. Johnson was also taken late in the first round (30th), whereas Shuler was taken 3rd overall. We found other offensive linemen pretty quickly after Johnson, as Samuels and Jansen were drafted pretty soon after. On the other hand, post-Shuler we essentially had year and years of awful qb play and are just know getting a qb that can play at a high level for more than a season.

They were both drafted by Casserly, so perhaps the question should be who was the worse drafter. Casserly or Snyderatto?

to each his own I guess

IMO the franchise was severely hurt by getting almost almost nothing from a QB you expected to be great than it is to get nothing from a player at another position -

give me a break - beating the pukes is just 1 game - we lost years of productivity from the most important position on the field

I totally agree about the earlier years being also a part of this but I'm just looking at the years that I have been a Redskins' fan - this franchise seems to thrive when we have a decent QB OR we have 2 very good QBs to chose from

SnyderSucks wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

dcskinsforever wrote:I think this poll shouldn't even have Shuler in it or possibly name the poll the second rated bust of all time instead. Shuler is clearly the worse out of all the names, it isn't even close.

I don't agree. At least Shuler played for the team and beat a Cowboys team that was 12-4 and won the SB! That right there take him off the list for me.

To me. If you draft a guy in the first round and he never even puts on a uni on game game and you cut him a year later, that is the ultimate bust!

At least Shuler played and won some games (not many, but some). Andre Johnson was drafted in the first round AND NEVER PLAYED!!!! He sucked that bad.

Valid point, but Shuler did far more damage to the team than Johnson did. It's not even close, really. Johnson was also taken late in the first round (30th), whereas Shuler was taken 3rd overall. We found other offensive linemen pretty quickly after Johnson, as Samuels and Jansen were drafted pretty soon after. On the other hand, post-Shuler we essentially had year and years of awful qb play and are just know getting a qb that can play at a high level for more than a season.

They were both drafted by Casserly, so perhaps the question should be who was the worse drafter. Casserly or Snyderatto?

I have made the case in the past that Casserly was worse than Cerratto. Either way it was close, which explains why we have pretty much sucked since the players Bobby Beathard drafted retired or left.

The problem is Bruce Allen isn't much better (maybe worse). If you don't believe me go back and look at his drafts in Tampa.

skinsfan#33 - I'd say that many guys that work in the NFL would not agree with that assessment - Allen and Shanahan seem to have a plan and are going to have this franchise back in contention soon

I think that most guys in the NFL looked at this year for this franchise as being all about changing and rebuilding this franchise - we are now just 2 weeks from TC and some are suggesting that this franchise might even be contending for a playoff spot - that is amazing and I think a lot of credit has to go to Allen & Shanahan - it also helped that Snyder has let these guys do what they need to do