Champsturf wrote:That's fine and all, but the offense SUCKS! The redzone is where they are the worst. I must be missing something...
Yes, you are. It's the off-season. No team is scoring points right now, red-zone or not. Why don't you wait until the games start before you say so definitively that the offense sucks and can't score?
REALLY? I suppose they'll be so much better than last year because of all of the revamping tha's been done this off season.
Well, let's see... The rookie receivers will be much more involved. JC has a year of the system under his belt. Zorn has a year of coaching and play callling under his belt. The line is healthy and includes Dockery again. Buges says Reinhart is playing well. We've signed some promising FAs at WR and RB. So yes, I think the offense may be better than last year. Point is, you can't say it sucks, in the present tense like you did, because you have no idea.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Bones21 wrote:Clayton says: "# Offense means everything in projecting surprise teams. Usually a one-point increase in scoring can add a win for a team. That's one of the reasons you look for a team to be a surprise if it has a good quarterback who's coming back from a season in which he missed a bunch of games because of injuries. If a team hits on the right quarterback in free agency or the draft, that also works in projecting surprise teams. The Falcons hit on Matt Ryan last season. Their offense improved from 16.2 to 24.2 ppg. Their record went from 4-12 to 11-5, a seven-game improvement."
How does that possibly apply to the Skins? Where's our new QB? In fact, we haven't done anything to upgrade the offense.
I believe it's the basic understanding that last year we had a new coach and a new offense, a WC offense that is dramatically different that what was employed under Gibbs. Why is it such a stretch to think that with Zorn's 2nd season with a new offense, JC's 2nd season in the same offense, and the emergence of some very good young receivers could result in the "potential" of an improved offense? That combined with an improved defense warrants potential.
I'm with ya Freak.
Me too. It's a little early to declare this season's over.
Agreed but what scares me is (using your logic) that we didn't get better over time we got worse...many here attributed it to the O-Line a O-Line we really didn't upgrade much.
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Champsturf wrote:That's fine and all, but the offense SUCKS! The redzone is where they are the worst. I must be missing something...
Yes, you are. It's the off-season. No team is scoring points right now, red-zone or not. Why don't you wait until the games start before you say so definitively that the offense sucks and can't score?
REALLY? I suppose they'll be so much better than last year because of all of the revamping tha's been done this off season.
Well, let's see... The rookie receivers will be much more involved. JC has a year of the system under his belt. Zorn has a year of coaching and play callling under his belt. The line is healthy and includes Dockery again. Buges says Reinhart is playing well. We've signed some promising FAs at WR and RB. So yes, I think the offense may be better than last year. Point is, you can't say it sucks, in the present tense like you did, because you have no idea.
I have no idea? Did you not watch the last half of the season last year? They got worse with more time together. I'm basing my comments on what I actually saw, not what COULD be.
The 2nd year receivers will be much more involved? How do you know that? Are you in on the gameplanning with Zorn? They should've been more involved last year, even if it meant returning punts.
Campbell has had pretty much every system under his belt in his career. Actually, he got worse as the season went on last year, with that more time thing you're talking about.
The line is healthy? For how long? They(collectively) are a tad old. They can't play forever.
Again, I'm calling it as I actually saw it, not on pure speculation and blind optimism.
Champsturf wrote:That's fine and all, but the offense SUCKS! The redzone is where they are the worst. I must be missing something...
Yes, you are. It's the off-season. No team is scoring points right now, red-zone or not. Why don't you wait until the games start before you say so definitively that the offense sucks and can't score?
REALLY? I suppose they'll be so much better than last year because of all of the revamping tha's been done this off season.
Well, let's see... The rookie receivers will be much more involved. JC has a year of the system under his belt. Zorn has a year of coaching and play callling under his belt. The line is healthy and includes Dockery again. Buges says Reinhart is playing well. We've signed some promising FAs at WR and RB. So yes, I think the offense may be better than last year. Point is, you can't say it sucks, in the present tense like you did, because you have no idea.
I have no idea? Did you not watch the last half of the season last year? They got worse with more time together. I'm basing my comments on what I actually saw, not what COULD be.
The 2nd year receivers will be much more involved? How do you know that? Are you in on the gameplanning with Zorn? They should've been more involved last year, even if it meant returning punts.
Campbell has had pretty much every system under his belt in his career. Actually, he got worse as the season went on last year, with that more time thing you're talking about.
The line is healthy? For how long? They(collectively) are a tad old. They can't play forever.
Again, I'm calling it as I actually saw it, not on pure speculation and blind optimism.
Andre Carter wrote:Damn man, you know your football.
Champsturf wrote:That's fine and all, but the offense SUCKS! The redzone is where they are the worst. I must be missing something...
Yes, you are. It's the off-season. No team is scoring points right now, red-zone or not. Why don't you wait until the games start before you say so definitively that the offense sucks and can't score?
REALLY? I suppose they'll be so much better than last year because of all of the revamping tha's been done this off season.
Well, let's see... The rookie receivers will be much more involved. JC has a year of the system under his belt. Zorn has a year of coaching and play callling under his belt. The line is healthy and includes Dockery again. Buges says Reinhart is playing well. We've signed some promising FAs at WR and RB. So yes, I think the offense may be better than last year. Point is, you can't say it sucks, in the present tense like you did, because you have no idea.
I have no idea? Did you not watch the last half of the season last year? They got worse with more time together. I'm basing my comments on what I actually saw, not what COULD be.
The 2nd year receivers will be much more involved? How do you know that? Are you in on the gameplanning with Zorn? They should've been more involved last year, even if it meant returning punts.
Campbell has had pretty much every system under his belt in his career. Actually, he got worse as the season went on last year, with that more time thing you're talking about.
The line is healthy? For how long? They(collectively) are a tad old. They can't play forever.
Again, I'm calling it as I actually saw it, not on pure speculation and blind optimism.
Actually, predicting this year's success (or lack thereof) based on last years production IS speculating. We all know our offense struggled last season, especially the passing game, but many factors played into that: Injuries, lack of experience (speaking of the WRs), or maybe some players just didn't get it. But, last year is over and it's time to see if our offense matured and learned from last year's mistakes.
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At least some people will be pleasantly surprised when the offense performs well this year. Sure, they won't have seen it coming whatsoever, but to heck with wisdom and foresight.
I'm as pessimistic about the offense as the next guy but its really impossible to do much worse. I would think they would figure something out in the second year of the offense. As bad as it was, they were in playoff contention for a while and the D got considerably better since last year. So that, paired with the schedule, could equal a playoff birth realistically.
Bob 0119 wrote:Yes, first year of a new offensive system is always the best, and can only improve with wholescale overhaul...
Joe Gibbs new offense year one: 6-10 Joe Gibbs year two: 10-6 playoffs
Al Saunders new offense year one: 5-11 Al Saunders year two: 9-7 playoffs
Jim Zorn new offense year one: 8-8
So if you follow the pattern, were going 12-4? I'll take it.
I wouldn't use that as a specific record prediction, but as an improvement as a second year offense.
It baffles me how we've already lost the season when camp hasn't even commenced yet. Do these people not get enough hugs? Unhappily married?
Damn, during the season, I always have something to look forward to. Redskins day. That can be whatever day of the week, but it's the day I get to see the burgundy and gold play. I get as frustrated as the next guy, but to be this negative in the off-season, frankly, sucks.
There's no way to know what the skins are going to do this year. Anything you think you know is nothing but speculation. Nothing more. Why not look at the glass half full? Why be miserable before there's even reason? I'm sure any negative nitwit will be able to find enough to cry about during the season, why start crying about what you think is going to happen?
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
I am hoping that we have a great season but I also know that this season is going to show that we still have a lot of work to do to be competitive consistently. that is who we are each year
Winning teams do not just make the playoffs here and there, they are constantly competitive and while they may lose a game here and there to lessor teams they do not look like we looked offensively in many of those games last year.
It surprises me that some here think we only lost games by a few points here and there and if we could somehow add those points on we would become winners I've got news for those "fans" - the other teams were only scoring enough points to win and that was against a defense that was rated #4 in the NFL - we could not win games when we had a chance to because we were not good enough to score points, duh
Good teams will always find a way to score just enough points to win, we have not become that team this off-season
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
SkinsJock wrote:I am hoping that we have a great season but I also know that this season is going to show that we still have a lot of work to do to be competitive consistently. that is who we are each year
Winning teams do not just make the playoffs here and there, they are constantly competitive and while they may lose a game here and there to lessor teams they do not look like we looked offensively in many of those games last year.
It surprises me that some here think we only lost games by a few points here and there and if we could somehow add those points on we would become winners I've got news for those "fans" - the other teams were only scoring enough points to win and that was against a defense that was rated #4 in the NFL - we could not win games when we had a chance to because we were not good enough to score points, duh
Good teams will always find a way to score just enough points to win, we have not become that team this off-season
Dude... you're starting to get broken-record syndrome. Have that checked out.
It's a game. It's okay to be optimistic. Every time I step on the tee, I'm optimistic and hopeful I'll have a good round, even if I shot poorly the previous day. Every time I sit down at a poker table, I'm optimistic and hopeful I'll get dealt the nuts and take down some pots. It's the nature of a game. It doesn't matter what game or sport you play or follow, must folks enter it with some level of optimism. Otherwise... why play?
Bob 0119 wrote:Yes, first year of a new offensive system is always the best, and can only improve with wholescale overhaul...
Joe Gibbs new offense year one: 6-10 Joe Gibbs year two: 10-6 playoffs
Al Saunders new offense year one: 5-11 Al Saunders year two: 9-7 playoffs
Jim Zorn new offense year one: 8-8
So if you follow the pattern, were going 12-4? I'll take it.
I wouldn't use that as a specific record prediction, but as an improvement as a second year offense.
It baffles me how we've already lost the season when camp hasn't even commenced yet. Do these people not get enough hugs? Unhappily married?
Damn, during the season, I always have something to look forward to. Redskins day. That can be whatever day of the week, but it's the day I get to see the burgundy and gold play. I get as frustrated as the next guy, but to be this negative in the off-season, frankly, sucks.
There's no way to know what the skins are going to do this year. Anything you think you know is nothing but speculation. Nothing more. Why not look at the glass half full? Why be miserable before there's even reason? I'm sure any negative nitwit will be able to find enough to cry about during the season, why start crying about what you think is going to happen?
Pessimism is the way of the world. Most people will look at a situation with uncertainty and think about all the bad that will happen instead of all the good that could happen. Misery loves company and it has PLENTY of company. I look at our offensive situation and relate to any other job that I have ever had. As time goes on and I get better at what I do, I produce better results. Take for example if I am troubleshooting a computer and notice similar traits of a problem I have fixed before, I can take less time on fixing the computer as I will have eliminated a slew of other troubleshooting steps.
If JC can and the rest of the offense can do a better job of recognizing defenses and know which receiver is most likely to be open given the situation, our offense will be much more successful. JC won't have to think as much this year as he can eliminate some of his options and concentrate on the ones that he knows has a high likelihood of success.
SkinsFreak wrote:.. Dude... you're starting to get broken-record syndrome. Have that checked out.
It's a game. It's okay to be optimistic. Every time I step on the tee, I'm optimistic and hopeful I'll have a good round, even if I shot poorly the previous day. Every time I sit down at a poker table, I'm optimistic and hopeful I'll get dealt the nuts and take down some pots. It's the nature of a game. It doesn't matter what game or sport you play or follow, must folks enter it with some level of optimism. Otherwise... why play?
no worries - at least with my golf game, I know how to make things better because there is a good chance if I make the effort to practice and work on those areas that need attention I might bring my scoring down but I do know I'll be out there having fun - that is what I love to do.
I like my team and each year I look forward to seeing them play but the reality is not going to go away - each year we get our hopes up but we never seem to make it and by the end we can say "well, there's always next year ... " - hey, it is what it is and nobody's won or lost anything yet, but I am glad that so many people who know are predicting we are going to do so well this year, if only ....
Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
Bob 0119 wrote:Yes, first year of a new offensive system is always the best, and can only improve with wholescale overhaul...
Joe Gibbs new offense year one: 6-10 Joe Gibbs year two: 10-6 playoffs
Al Saunders new offense year one: 5-11 Al Saunders year two: 9-7 playoffs
Jim Zorn new offense year one: 8-8
So if you follow the pattern, were going 12-4? I'll take it.
I wouldn't use that as a specific record prediction, but as an improvement as a second year offense.
It baffles me how we've already lost the season when camp hasn't even commenced yet. Do these people not get enough hugs? Unhappily married?
Damn, during the season, I always have something to look forward to. Redskins day. That can be whatever day of the week, but it's the day I get to see the burgundy and gold play. I get as frustrated as the next guy, but to be this negative in the off-season, frankly, sucks.
There's no way to know what the skins are going to do this year. Anything you think you know is nothing but speculation. Nothing more. Why not look at the glass half full? Why be miserable before there's even reason? I'm sure any negative nitwit will be able to find enough to cry about during the season, why start crying about what you think is going to happen?
Pessimism is the way of the world. Most people will look at a situation with uncertainty and think about all the bad that will happen instead of all the good that could happen. Misery loves company and it has PLENTY of company. I look at our offensive situation and relate to any other job that I have ever had. As time goes on and I get better at what I do, I produce better results. Take for example if I am troubleshooting a computer and notice similar traits of a problem I have fixed before, I can take less time on fixing the computer as I will have eliminated a slew of other troubleshooting steps.
If JC can and the rest of the offense can do a better job of recognizing defenses and know which receiver is most likely to be open given the situation, our offense will be much more successful. JC won't have to think as much this year as he can eliminate some of his options and concentrate on the ones that he knows has a high likelihood of success.
Pessimism is the way of YOUR world, not the whole world. While I don't have a cheery outlook every day, most days I wake up and have a wonderful family which include my beautiful wife and two boys, own (or paying on) my own house, two vehicles I look at and still like. I try to believe in optimism until there's proof otherwise.
I will continue to be optimistic here and elsewhere with the Redskins, my favorite team in all of sports. And the rest of the world can continue being, well, whatever they choose...
With that said:
I'll be optimistic about the skins, even when they're not on top of the world. I enjoy the games win or lose(not quite as much when they lose). If people out there don't enjoy their alleged team, then why watch? Why put yourself thru misery? ...and better yet, why try to bring other people down who enjoy the skins?
...any given Sunday....
RIP #21 Sean Taylor. You will be loved and adored by Redskins fans forever!!!!!
GSPODS:
The National Anthem sucks.
What a useless piece of propagandist rhetoric that is.
Bob 0119 wrote:Yes, first year of a new offensive system is always the best, and can only improve with wholescale overhaul...
Joe Gibbs new offense year one: 6-10 Joe Gibbs year two: 10-6 playoffs
Al Saunders new offense year one: 5-11 Al Saunders year two: 9-7 playoffs
Jim Zorn new offense year one: 8-8
So if you follow the pattern, were going 12-4? I'll take it.
I wouldn't use that as a specific record prediction, but as an improvement as a second year offense.
It baffles me how we've already lost the season when camp hasn't even commenced yet. Do these people not get enough hugs? Unhappily married?
Damn, during the season, I always have something to look forward to. Redskins day. That can be whatever day of the week, but it's the day I get to see the burgundy and gold play. I get as frustrated as the next guy, but to be this negative in the off-season, frankly, sucks.
There's no way to know what the skins are going to do this year. Anything you think you know is nothing but speculation. Nothing more. Why not look at the glass half full? Why be miserable before there's even reason? I'm sure any negative nitwit will be able to find enough to cry about during the season, why start crying about what you think is going to happen?
Pessimism is the way of the world. Most people will look at a situation with uncertainty and think about all the bad that will happen instead of all the good that could happen. Misery loves company and it has PLENTY of company. I look at our offensive situation and relate to any other job that I have ever had. As time goes on and I get better at what I do, I produce better results. Take for example if I am troubleshooting a computer and notice similar traits of a problem I have fixed before, I can take less time on fixing the computer as I will have eliminated a slew of other troubleshooting steps.
If JC can and the rest of the offense can do a better job of recognizing defenses and know which receiver is most likely to be open given the situation, our offense will be much more successful. JC won't have to think as much this year as he can eliminate some of his options and concentrate on the ones that he knows has a high likelihood of success.
Pessimism is the way of YOUR world, not the whole world. While I don't have a cheery outlook every day, most days I wake up and have a wonderful family which include my beautiful wife and two boys, own (or paying on) my own house, two vehicles I look at and still like. I try to believe in optimism until there's proof otherwise.
I will continue to be optimistic here and elsewhere with the Redskins, my favorite team in all of sports. And the rest of the world can continue being, well, whatever they choose...
With that said: I'll be optimistic about the skins, even when they're not on top of the world. I enjoy the games win or lose(not quite as much when they lose). If people out there don't enjoy their alleged team, then why watch? Why put yourself thru misery? ...and better yet, why try to bring other people down who enjoy the skins?
Nope. Pessimism is NOT the way of my world. I am as positive of a person that a person can be. If you were to talk with the people I work with they would tell you I am a very inspirational person. I was simply stating that you will come across more people with a can't do mentality than a can do mentality. I always tell people to dismiss the opinion of those who want to stand in your way of having a positive outlook on life.
Anyway, I am one of the few people that believe JC can be a quarterback that will lead us to success. Why? I choose to see what he can do instead of what he can't or hasn't done up to this point in his career. If I didn't think we had a chance of being successful then why even care to discuss the team? Why would I waste my time on this website if I felt like we were just going to lose?
I am not saying that everyone needs to blindly believe that we are Super Bowl bound. People have a right to be skeptical or concerned with how our offense is going to perform next year. Its not that they don't want the team to be successful rather they cannot relay their concerns without being negative. I can be concerned about say our young WR's without the doom and gloom overshadowing that many on this site like to portray.
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I've got news for those "fans" - the other teams were only scoring enough points to win and that was against a defense that was rated #4 in the NFL - we could not win games when we had a chance to because we were not good enough to score points, duh
