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Pardon the interruption, although i'm not an expert on JC'S performance
or lack thereof (being a Falcon fan), but reading through this thread reminds me alot of a situation with the Falcons in the past, with respect to the QB situation. First it was the WRS were not getting open/dropping the ball. Then there was, the o-line was not protecting him, the sun was in his eyes, etc... Well to make a long story, when said QB ceased being the Atlanta Falcons QB, let see now, the same WR corp, which include pro-bowler, Roddy White have excelled big time. O-line - (same personnel), While not a top of the line group, can more than hold their own. It was just one excuse after another......Not saying this is the situation in Washington, just saying???? Anyways, sorry for the intrusion, carry on.
BTW - Danny boy like throwing money around, FYI, Mick Vick gets out of the slammer in jul

Skinsfan55 wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:We won it all with Joe Theisman, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien. Others did the same with Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, and Eli Manning. I mention these names in particular because none of them is great.

How does JC compare to these guys? (I say favorably but seek comments)

Is he good enough if the rest of the team is excellent? (I think so)

Where do we need help more urgently than at QB? (I'm thinking O-line and a physical counterpart to Santana Moss)

DarthMonk

In the last 25 years only a few teams have been able to win the Superbowl without a franchise QB at the helm. Montana, Young, Aikman, Big Ben, Brady, Favre, Elway, etc. etc. etc. Look up a list of the superbowl QB's and tell me it's not that important to have a star at the position.

(Eli Manning is a franchise player for the Giants, putting him in as the "fluke" like Dilfer is ridiculous.)

Dilfer, Rypien, Johnson and others did manage a superbowl victory but those players were veteran leaders who put together EXCELLENT seasons for their teams in the year they won the Superbowl. Let's not get all excited that you can win with anyone. To have a high powered offense you need a high powered QB.

I actually left out a few. The Giants beat the Bills with a back-up while the Bills lost with a Hall-of-Famer. The fact that several (not just a few) have won it all without a star at the position is proof that it is not as important as most people seem to think. So I've looked at the list and I'm telling you - it's not that important to have a star at the position. (Sorry to sound like a bit of a smart a$$ but I couldn't resist)

I never used the word fluke. Also, how good IS Eli Manning? Is he the reason they won that game? He certainly made a great play near the end but that does not make him a great QB. I suppose he is their "franchise" QB but I'm really not sure what that means. I contend they won that game without a great QB. He basically handed off, threw to 3 huge wide-outs, and let the D mostly dominate. His team won because his team was excellent.

You are absolutely correct about veteran leaders who put together excellent seasons. They were that and they did that. Rip had an especially great year. Of course, he had a killer D, a killer O Line, a killer set of wide-outs, and a killer stable of runners. I think he was sacked around 9 times that year and 2 of those were kneel downs.

Finally, you mention Montana, Aikman, etc. Do you think those Cowboy teams could have won it all with an average QB? I do. And how great was Aikman really? I know he's in the Hall but that does not answer the question.

DarthMonk

They were that and they did that. Rip had an especially great year. Of course, he had a killer D, a killer O Line, a killer set of wide-outs, and a killer stable of runners.

You ALL keep forgeting one of the most important factors... a system that is built around a QB who needs to be no more than a competent manager of the game plan, and have a big arm. Note that, other than Theisman, Gibbs quarterbacks all had similar attributes... big, tall, and cannons for arms. Rypien, Williams, even the backups and understudies, for the most part, came from similar molds.

It's not a coincidence that he won 3 Superbowls with 3 quarterbacks.
None of them, really, were much more than journeymen... solid players, who understood what Gibbs wanted.

I think the major difference is the O-Line!

SKINFAN wrote:

Bones21 wrote:The QB's you just mentioned may not have been stars in the traditional sense, but they all found a way to get the job done - something Campbell has yet to show he can do.

they all had a line that afforded them time to brew coffee and read the newspaper before throwing to their recievers. The same line that opens up holes the size of SUV's for the running back to run thru.

Yeah right, ask Big Ben about his OL and their 46 sacks given up last year.

vabchbirdlover wrote:Pardon the interruption, although i'm not an expert on JC'S performance
or lack thereof (being a Falcon fan), but reading through this thread reminds me alot of a situation with the Falcons in the past, with respect to the QB situation. First it was the WRS were not getting open/dropping the ball. Then there was, the o-line was not protecting him, the sun was in his eyes, etc... Well to make a long story, when said QB ceased being the Atlanta Falcons QB, let see now, the same WR corp, which include pro-bowler, Roddy White have excelled big time. O-line - (same personnel), While not a top of the line group, can more than hold their own. It was just one excuse after another......Not saying this is the situation in Washington, just saying???? Anyways, sorry for the intrusion, carry on.
BTW - Danny boy like throwing money around, FYI, Mick Vick gets out of the slammer in jul

I think you are totally on point and couldn't agree more. This is Washington, people around here love to point the finger to whose fault it is instead of trying to get things done. Excuses are made for people who don't succeed. Winners find ways to win, regardless of the circumstances. All the stars don't need to magically align to win. The Falcons went from the worst team in the NFL to one of the best in one year ---- their only major change was at QB and RB. We already have the RB.

markshark84 wrote:

vabchbirdlover wrote:Pardon the interruption, although i'm not an expert on JC'S performance
or lack thereof (being a Falcon fan), but reading through this thread reminds me alot of a situation with the Falcons in the past, with respect to the QB situation. First it was the WRS were not getting open/dropping the ball. Then there was, the o-line was not protecting him, the sun was in his eyes, etc... Well to make a long story, when said QB ceased being the Atlanta Falcons QB, let see now, the same WR corp, which include pro-bowler, Roddy White have excelled big time. O-line - (same personnel), While not a top of the line group, can more than hold their own. It was just one excuse after another......Not saying this is the situation in Washington, just saying???? Anyways, sorry for the intrusion, carry on.
BTW - Danny boy like throwing money around, FYI, Mick Vick gets out of the slammer in jul

I think you are totally on point and couldn't agree more. This is Washington, people around here love to point the finger to whose fault it is instead of trying to get things done. Excuses are made for people who don't succeed. Winners find ways to win, regardless of the circumstances. All the stars don't need to magically align to win. The Falcons went from the worst team in the NFL to one of the best in one year ---- their only major change was at QB and RB. We already have the RB.

Atlanta also got a new coach.