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skinsfan#33 wrote:No one in their right mind gives us a 1st rounder for Springs, let alone #10!

I believe it's already been mentioned that we're talking about Matt Millen here.

Trading Springs, hurts this team in the short term but could be good in the long run.

Heck, I don't even know it would hurt us much in the short term. What are the odds he'd play a full season, or even close, in the coming year? If Detroit were actually silly enough to offer us a high first round pick for Springs, I'd do that in a heartbeat - no need to even think twice. However, you're probably right - there's no way that's going to happen like that.

I've always thought that since Macklin was acquired that Springs days were numbered. He refused to restructure his contract. I'd be happy if we got a 4th round pick for him to get a shot at a Tier 2 or 3 QB with future potential. Anything. I don't think Springs is going to be a piece of the championship puzzle for us. In reality, he was way past his prime when we got him and we overpaid him, ala Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, Mark Brunell, etc. I'm still sick about the Brunell trade. What a setback that was. We should have stuck with Patrick Ramsey.

STOP ALREADY ABOUT CALVIN JOHNSON. HE'S NOT THE ANSWER. IF WE SELL OUT FOR THIS ONE GUY, I'LL BE SICK AGAIN. HE SEEMS LIKE A KEYSHAWN JOHNSON CLONE TO ME. OVERHYPED!

Mursilis wrote:

Trading Springs, hurts this team in the short term but could be good in the long run.

Heck, I don't even know it would hurt us much in the short term. What are the odds he'd play a full season, or even close, in the coming year?

What are you talking about? In 2004 he played 15 games at a pro-bowl level, in 2005 he played 15 games at a pro-bowl level, and in 2006 he played 9 games and the defense was completely different with him on the field. In his ten years he has never failed to play atleast half the season. He has played 15 games or more 6 out of his 10. 10 or more games 8 out of the 10. So I would say that the odds of him playing almost a full season is 60-70% (is 12 games almost a full season?). Him playing 10 or more games is 80%.

Maybe you should hang out with Millen. You can't be serious if you don't think Springs would be missed

I think that Springs helps keep this defense together. He is like the big brother to the young guys. If he is gone, who becomes the leader? M. Washington just does his job and hasn't assumed the leadership role, even when Springs is hurt. There has to be a premium paid for that. And don't forget that he is still our best CB on our team. It would be stupid to throw that away...A la champ bailey.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Trading Springs, hurts this team in the short term but could be good in the long run.

Heck, I don't even know it would hurt us much in the short term. What are the odds he'd play a full season, or even close, in the coming year?

What are you talking about? In 2004 he played 15 games at a pro-bowl level, in 2005 he played 15 games at a pro-bowl level, and in 2006 he played 9 games and the defense was completely different with him on the field. In his ten years he has never failed to play atleast half the season. He has played 15 games or more 6 out of his 10. 10 or more games 8 out of the 10. So I would say that the odds of him playing almost a full season is 60-70% (is 12 games almost a full season?). Him playing 10 or more games is 80%.

Maybe you should hang out with Millen. You can't be serious if you don't think Springs would be missed

I'm also factoring in the fact that he's 32. Age is not kind to corners. I guess we'll get to see how many games he plays this year - I don't expect to see him traded.

Mursilis wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

Mursilis wrote:

Trading Springs, hurts this team in the short term but could be good in the long run.

Heck, I don't even know it would hurt us much in the short term. What are the odds he'd play a full season, or even close, in the coming year?

What are you talking about? In 2004 he played 15 games at a pro-bowl level, in 2005 he played 15 games at a pro-bowl level, and in 2006 he played 9 games and the defense was completely different with him on the field. In his ten years he has never failed to play atleast half the season. He has played 15 games or more 6 out of his 10. 10 or more games 8 out of the 10. So I would say that the odds of him playing almost a full season is 60-70% (is 12 games almost a full season?). Him playing 10 or more games is 80%.

Maybe you should hang out with Millen. You can't be serious if you don't think Springs would be missed

I'm also factoring in the fact that he's 32. Age is not kind to corners. I guess we'll get to see how many games he plays this year - I don't expect to see him traded.

Daryll Green and I agree with you. (JK)

Make the trade, Get Charles Johnson.

frankcal20 wrote:I think that Springs helps keep this defense together. He is like the big brother to the young guys. If he is gone, who becomes the leader? M. Washington just does his job and hasn't assumed the leadership role, even when Springs is hurt. There has to be a premium paid for that. And don't forget that he is still our best CB on our team. It would be stupid to throw that away...A la champ bailey.

Don't look now, but you just made a good argument for Landry.

A LB can't be the leader of the secondary. Springs is not a leader back there and can't be. Some one at the safety position has to be the leader or the QB, if that's what you're talking about. Springs plays to one side and would have no communication with Rogers on the other side. We got Fletch to QB the front seven and Landry could QB the entire secondary.

frankcal20 wrote:It would be stupid to throw that away...A la champ bailey.

Just to throw in historical context, we didn't throw away Champ. He didn't want to be in Washington any more. Besides, he ended up signing a 50+ million dollar deal, something we couldn't have paid him (if he even wanted to stay, which he didn't). What we got in return for that money: Portis, Griffin, and (yep) Springs, was clearly a good return on a bad situation.

Right now Springs is our best CB when he's healthy, which he wasn't for most of last year, whether or not he was playing. Now is not a bad time to unload him, given the size of his contract and the fact that he's still marketable -- whereas he won't be in 2 or 3 years.

Irn-Bru wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:It would be stupid to throw that away...A la champ bailey.

Just to throw in historical context, we didn't throw away Champ. He didn't want to be in Washington any more. Besides, he ended up signing a 50+ million dollar deal, something we couldn't have paid him (if he even wanted to stay, which he didn't). What we got in return for that money: Portis, Griffin, and (yep) Springs, was clearly a good return on a bad situation.

Right now Springs is our best CB when he's healthy, which he wasn't for most of last year, whether or not he was playing. Now is not a bad time to unload him, given the size of his contract and the fact that he's still marketable -- whereas he won't be in 2 or 3 years.

I think we should make the history of the Champ/Portis trade mandatory reading for all new users.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:It would be stupid to throw that away...A la champ bailey.

Just to throw in historical context, we didn't throw away Champ. He didn't want to be in Washington any more. Besides, he ended up signing a 50+ million dollar deal, something we couldn't have paid him (if he even wanted to stay, which he didn't). What we got in return for that money: Portis, Griffin, and (yep) Springs, was clearly a good return on a bad situation.

Right now Springs is our best CB when he's healthy, which he wasn't for most of last year, whether or not he was playing. Now is not a bad time to unload him, given the size of his contract and the fact that he's still marketable -- whereas he won't be in 2 or 3 years.

I think we should make the history of the Champ/Portis trade mandatory reading for all new users.

No kidding. It wasn't just Portis for Bailey and a 2. The new NFL is about economics as much as anything...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:It would be stupid to throw that away...A la champ bailey.

Just to throw in historical context, we didn't throw away Champ. He didn't want to be in Washington any more. Besides, he ended up signing a 50+ million dollar deal, something we couldn't have paid him (if he even wanted to stay, which he didn't). What we got in return for that money: Portis, Griffin, and (yep) Springs, was clearly a good return on a bad situation.

Right now Springs is our best CB when he's healthy, which he wasn't for most of last year, whether or not he was playing. Now is not a bad time to unload him, given the size of his contract and the fact that he's still marketable -- whereas he won't be in 2 or 3 years.

I think we should make the history of the Champ/Portis trade mandatory reading for all new users.

Amen ... it should be a sticky, I get so tired of typing that over and over again

Buy low, sell high. Springs, i liked ya', but your circling the drain. He's getting old and injury prone. Trade him away while he's still worth something.

How bout keep him here for the rest of his career? Just a though. Nothing like being loyal.

Of course we should trade Springs and our #1 next year for the #2 overall pick.

I'm assuming that next year's #1 won't even be CLOSE to 2nd overall and trading Springs for that kindof jump is an absolute no-brainer. There's no way in hell the Lions would make that trade.

If that trade was on the board, I'd make it in a heartbeat, draft CJ, and then start fielding offers from around the league...

JPM36 wrote:Of course we should trade Springs and our #1 next year for the #2 overall pick.

I'm assuming that next year's #1 won't even be CLOSE to 2nd overall and trading Springs for that kindof jump is an absolute no-brainer. There's no way in hell the Lions would make that trade.

If that trade was on the board, I'd make it in a heartbeat, draft CJ, and then start fielding offers from around the league...

But we would have lost this year and next years first rounder? What could we really get to help us now? A player along with a first rounder this year and their 2008 1st along with a mid round? I just can't see it happening that easily.

frankcal20 wrote:

JPM36 wrote:Of course we should trade Springs and our #1 next year for the #2 overall pick.

I'm assuming that next year's #1 won't even be CLOSE to 2nd overall and trading Springs for that kindof jump is an absolute no-brainer. There's no way in hell the Lions would make that trade.

If that trade was on the board, I'd make it in a heartbeat, draft CJ, and then start fielding offers from around the league...

But we would have lost this year and next years first rounder? What could we really get to help us now? A player along with a first rounder this year and their 2008 1st along with a mid round? I just can't see it happening that easily.

Okay I read this thread a little more carefully and you're right: that's not a good move for us. I was reading it wrong.

If I was calling the shots, I'd stay put at #6 and draft the highest rated defensive lineman available.

That's not really splashy though so I doubt that's the way we'll end up going. Anyways, Saturday morning is going to be VERY interesting.

yes it will be.

IMHO I do not see Springs playing another snap for the Washington Redskins.. and I hope he doesnt..and thats not because I dont like him or that I dont think hes good because I do feel that hes good but with the signing of Macklin that probaly signaled the end for Springs.. I see alot of people mentioning how it was a good thing to get rid of Bailey because it was known he would not be back the next year .. well we are in the same boat with Springs.. He will not return to us next year so I would expect to see him get traded for a 4th rounder in this years draft and I hope so..
Why keep a player around for one more year knowing hes gonna leave when you can get value for him this year and pick up an extra draft pick

I know some of you will come at it with the usual.. theres no way we can start Rogers and Smoot on the corners and what if one gets hurt.. well thats the NFL and Rogers is a qaulity corner and Smoot plays well in this system not the Cover 2 style he played in Minnesota ..hes not as good in zone coverages.. he will get to play more Man here.. with Macklin in the Nickel slot and the added depth at safey losing Springs shouldnt have a major effect.. as for the argument of we need him leading the guys and holding there hands well we dont have any rookies out there..MAYBE we will but at the moment we dont.. so theres no need for that and if there is then our D is in alot of trouble..

Lets just state afew facts:

-This team was 5-11 last year. Officially, that´s rebuilding time.

How on Earth is drafting CJ going to help improve our record????

The best example are probably de Lions. They have drafted receivers very high in their recent drafts and that has not helped them.

Let´s adress our D. We have very little depht at the D-Line and secondary. Take all the rookies you can get to try and fill those positions for the next years.

I would actually trade next year's first and Springs for their second. I mean we could possibly draft Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry/Okoye OR trade out of the 6th for more pics.

I actually like this strategy since we have a full draft this year.

Besides adding those players and our next first round pick may be a 25-32!

The Hogster wrote:I would actually trade next year's first and Springs for their second. I mean we could possibly draft Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry/Okoye OR trade out of the 6th for more pics.

I actually like this strategy since we have a full draft this year.

Besides adding those players and our next first round pick may be a 25-32!

everyone is overrating Springs value by sooo much.. there is no way any team would take a trade like that.. just offering next years 1st and Springs? Springs is at best worth a 4th rounder sorry to say.. and the notion that next year we might have a late round pick so screw it lets trade it away like its not worth anything is ridiculous . a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick.. regardless if your drafting in the top half or bottom half.. NO WAY we end up with the 2nd and 6th pick in this draft

The Hogster wrote:I would actually trade next year's first and Springs for their second. I mean we could possibly draft Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry/Okoye OR trade out of the 6th for more pics.

I actually like this strategy since we have a full draft this year.

Besides adding those players and our next first round pick may be a 25-32!

Next year's first is equivalent to a 2nd rounder in this draft value wise.

Who in their right mind would take Springs and a 2nd rounder for #2 in the draft?

PulpExposure wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I would actually trade next year's first and Springs for their second. I mean we could possibly draft Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry/Okoye OR trade out of the 6th for more pics.

I actually like this strategy since we have a full draft this year.

Besides adding those players and our next first round pick may be a 25-32!

Next year's first is equivalent to a 2nd rounder in this draft value wise.

Who in their right mind would take Springs and a 2nd rounder for #2 in the draft?

Not even Matt Millen is that stupid

everydayAskinsday wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I would actually trade next year's first and Springs for their second. I mean we could possibly draft Calvin Johnson and Laron Landry/Okoye OR trade out of the 6th for more pics.

I actually like this strategy since we have a full draft this year.

Besides adding those players and our next first round pick may be a 25-32!

everyone is overrating Springs value by sooo much.. there is no way any team would take a trade like that.. just offering next years 1st and Springs? Springs is at best worth a 4th rounder sorry to say.. and the notion that next year we might have a late round pick so screw it lets trade it away like its not worth anything is ridiculous . a 1st round pick is a 1st round pick.. regardless if your drafting in the top half or bottom half.. NO WAY we end up with the 2nd and 6th pick in this draft

Dude you're a fan, don't overestimate your knowledge. If you have the 2nd and 6th this year, it is equivalent if not better than having the 6th and the 20th next year. So get over yourself. The purpose of my post was not to say that this will happen, just saying that if it did happen I would support it. Its called offering an opinion. Who are you Vinny Cerrato?