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Irn-Bru wrote:I'm a Christian, but I don't see how any of what you are saying applies to Michael Irvin and ESPN, TexasCowboy. ESPN dumped Irvin because they can't afford to be mired in any controversy with him and any combination of drugs or women.

You can go give the executives that speech if you want, but why should they have to take those kinds of risks when there are thousands of potential analysts out there who also happen to have clean private lives? Life is full of consequences for our actions, and Irvin is simply seeing the consequences of his past behavior. . .there's no 'love the sinner hate the sin' about it.

TexasCowboy wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm a Christian, but I don't see how any of what you are saying applies to Michael Irvin and ESPN, TexasCowboy. ESPN dumped Irvin because they can't afford to be mired in any controversy with him and any combination of drugs or women.

You can go give the executives that speech if you want, but why should they have to take those kinds of risks when there are thousands of potential analysts out there who also happen to have clean private lives? Life is full of consequences for our actions, and Irvin is simply seeing the consequences of his past behavior. . .there's no 'love the sinner hate the sin' about it.

I wasn't talking about ESPN. I was talking to your friends here who seem
to judge Irvin for his life choices..and act as though they have never once made a horrid decision to sin and do bad things..Who walk as though they are high and mighty and perfect. On this planet your not perfect I'm not
perfect and neither is anyone who has a private life such a sports star or
even a movie star..Just because they live a more rich and abundant life
doesn't mean they are meant to be perfect..No human is perfect that is
why it was written Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of GOD, This applies to everyone, Poor, wealthy, working 2
jobs just to make ends meet..You have no right what so ever to judge
him in any manor or fashion

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never
mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one
day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

TexasCowboy wrote:If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

skinsfan#33 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm a Christian, but I don't see how any of what you are saying applies to Michael Irvin and ESPN, TexasCowboy. ESPN dumped Irvin because they can't afford to be mired in any controversy with him and any combination of drugs or women.

You can go give the executives that speech if you want, but why should they have to take those kinds of risks when there are thousands of potential analysts out there who also happen to have clean private lives? Life is full of consequences for our actions, and Irvin is simply seeing the consequences of his past behavior. . .there's no 'love the sinner hate the sin' about it.

I wasn't talking about ESPN. I was talking to your friends here who seem
to judge Irvin for his life choices..and act as though they have never once made a horrid decision to sin and do bad things..Who walk as though they are high and mighty and perfect. On this planet your not perfect I'm not
perfect and neither is anyone who has a private life such a sports star or
even a movie star..Just because they live a more rich and abundant life
doesn't mean they are meant to be perfect..No human is perfect that is
why it was written Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of GOD, This applies to everyone, Poor, wealthy, working 2
jobs just to make ends meet..You have no right what so ever to judge
him in any manor or fashion

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never
mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one
day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

Look I may have cheated at my job from time to time, but I never bragged about. Irvin did all the time on ESPN.

I have never cheated on a girfriend, before I was married and certainly never cheated on my wife. Irvin did.

I never did drug or disrespected my employer (actually that would be you since I am in the Navy) by getting caught in a hotel with cocain and whores (it never happen so I couldn't get caugth). And I certainly wouldn't have shown up at court for said offense looking like Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch. Irvin did!

You can forgive him, God will forgive him (if he has a repentant heart - juries out on that one), but I certainly don't have to forgive his actions. Having him get into the HOF in front of a good man and a better receiver like Art Monk is a slap in the face of every guy that goes to work does his job better than the next guy, doesn't bring shame to his employer, but doesn't get the recognition the other guy does because that guy is always telling everyone how good he is while the other guy quietly does it better.
Even though deep down inside you know he isn't as good as the other guy, after hearing him say that he is you start to believe it. The guy that plays well but talks a great game will always get more press than the guy that plays GREAT, but says very little.

Fios wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

You want to condemn people to hell, do it in Smack, otherwise, stick to the topic

TexasCowboy wrote:

Fios wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

You want to condemn people to hell, do it in Smack, otherwise, stick to the topic

This is the topic and I have no need to condemn anyone to hell, They are
doing that them selves

hailskins666 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

Fios wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

You want to condemn people to hell, do it in Smack, otherwise, stick to the topic

This is the topic and I have no need to condemn anyone to hell, They are
doing that them selves

i'm already in hell, and it's not so bad, blue stars are burning everywhere. and THIS AIN'T THE TOPIC, ya hear? the topic is "irvin out at espn", so stick to it, or take it to smack like you were already so kindly asked to do.

please and thanks.

TexasCowboy wrote:

hailskins666 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

Fios wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

You want to condemn people to hell, do it in Smack, otherwise, stick to the topic

This is the topic and I have no need to condemn anyone to hell, They are
doing that them selves

i'm already in hell, and it's not so bad, blue stars are burning everywhere. and THIS AIN'T THE TOPIC, ya hear? the topic is "irvin out at espn", so stick to it, or take it to smack like you were already so kindly asked to do.

please and thanks.

When you use the things Irvin did as the excuse as to why he was fired
from ESPN. then it does become an issue of forgiveness and the fact that
you are not GOD, ESPN may not recognize the bible and it's teachings but
you can't get around the fact..That everything we do is for his purpose it's
to serve him, and while you may not like or agree with the life style he is
choosing

It is not for you to judge or condemn Irvin as though you hold any type of
authority over him. So he got canned at ESPN I can think of a lot worse
things that can happen to a person then to be canned by them, So is Mike
Irvin losing sleep over this? Of course not when GOD closes and a door
he never shuts it before opening another one

hailskins666 wrote:as long as we are talking about throwing rocks at irvin, i'm game.

TexasCowboy wrote:

Fios wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

You want to condemn people to hell, do it in Smack, otherwise, stick to the topic

This is the topic and I have no need to condemn anyone to hell, They are
doing that them selves

TexasCowboy wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm a Christian, but I don't see how any of what you are saying applies to Michael Irvin and ESPN, TexasCowboy. ESPN dumped Irvin because they can't afford to be mired in any controversy with him and any combination of drugs or women.

You can go give the executives that speech if you want, but why should they have to take those kinds of risks when there are thousands of potential analysts out there who also happen to have clean private lives? Life is full of consequences for our actions, and Irvin is simply seeing the consequences of his past behavior. . .there's no 'love the sinner hate the sin' about it.

I wasn't talking about ESPN. I was talking to your friends here who seem
to judge Irvin for his life choices..and act as though they have never once made a horrid decision to sin and do bad things..Who walk as though they are high and mighty and perfect. On this planet your not perfect I'm not
perfect and neither is anyone who has a private life such a sports star or
even a movie star..Just because they live a more rich and abundant life
doesn't mean they are meant to be perfect..No human is perfect that is
why it was written Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of GOD, This applies to everyone, Poor, wealthy, working 2
jobs just to make ends meet..You have no right what so ever to judge
him in any manor or fashion

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never
mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one
day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

Look I may have cheated at my job from time to time, but I never bragged about. Irvin did all the time on ESPN.

I have never cheated on a girfriend, before I was married and certainly never cheated on my wife. Irvin did.

I never did drug or disrespected my employer (actually that would be you since I am in the Navy) by getting caught in a hotel with cocain and whores (it never happen so I couldn't get caugth). And I certainly wouldn't have shown up at court for said offense looking like Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch. Irvin did!

You can forgive him, God will forgive him (if he has a repentant heart - juries out on that one), but I certainly don't have to forgive his actions. Having him get into the HOF in front of a good man and a better receiver like Art Monk is a slap in the face of every guy that goes to work does his job better than the next guy, doesn't bring shame to his employer, but doesn't get the recognition the other guy does because that guy is always telling everyone how good he is while the other guy quietly does it better.
Even though deep down inside you know he isn't as good as the other guy, after hearing him say that he is you start to believe it. The guy that plays well but talks a great game will always get more press than the guy that plays GREAT, but says very little.

The point of the matter is you are not GOD so stop trying to play him to
me your his Satanic blabber mouth, who runs and tells GOD every little
thing soneone else does. The Bible says that GOD knew us before we were formed in our mother womb. He knew everything about us before
anyone else knew anything about us, and yet he still loved us depsite of
the short comings and flaws we may have. So it doesn't matter if you can
not see past his short comings, and GOD certainly doesn't have to forgive
what sins you have, Since your refusing to forgive your brother who sins
against you.

so the chains of hurt are on you Irvin is free from his sin and anytime he
does sin, He can all ways repent of his sins and Christ through his blood
will all ways forgive him 70x7 which means he all ways forgives no matter
what

skinsfan#33 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm a Christian, but I don't see how any of what you are saying applies to Michael Irvin and ESPN, TexasCowboy. ESPN dumped Irvin because they can't afford to be mired in any controversy with him and any combination of drugs or women.

You can go give the executives that speech if you want, but why should they have to take those kinds of risks when there are thousands of potential analysts out there who also happen to have clean private lives? Life is full of consequences for our actions, and Irvin is simply seeing the consequences of his past behavior. . .there's no 'love the sinner hate the sin' about it.

I wasn't talking about ESPN. I was talking to your friends here who seem
to judge Irvin for his life choices..and act as though they have never once made a horrid decision to sin and do bad things..Who walk as though they are high and mighty and perfect. On this planet your not perfect I'm not
perfect and neither is anyone who has a private life such a sports star or
even a movie star..Just because they live a more rich and abundant life
doesn't mean they are meant to be perfect..No human is perfect that is
why it was written Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of GOD, This applies to everyone, Poor, wealthy, working 2
jobs just to make ends meet..You have no right what so ever to judge
him in any manor or fashion

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never
mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one
day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

Look I may have cheated at my job from time to time, but I never bragged about. Irvin did all the time on ESPN.

I have never cheated on a girfriend, before I was married and certainly never cheated on my wife. Irvin did.

I never did drug or disrespected my employer (actually that would be you since I am in the Navy) by getting caught in a hotel with cocain and whores (it never happen so I couldn't get caugth). And I certainly wouldn't have shown up at court for said offense looking like Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch. Irvin did!

You can forgive him, God will forgive him (if he has a repentant heart - juries out on that one), but I certainly don't have to forgive his actions. Having him get into the HOF in front of a good man and a better receiver like Art Monk is a slap in the face of every guy that goes to work does his job better than the next guy, doesn't bring shame to his employer, but doesn't get the recognition the other guy does because that guy is always telling everyone how good he is while the other guy quietly does it better.
Even though deep down inside you know he isn't as good as the other guy, after hearing him say that he is you start to believe it. The guy that plays well but talks a great game will always get more press than the guy that plays GREAT, but says very little.

The point of the matter is you are not GOD so stop trying to play him to
me your his Satanic blabber mouth, who runs and tells GOD every little
thing soneone else does. The Bible says that GOD knew us before we were formed in our mother womb. He knew everything about us before
anyone else knew anything about us, and yet he still loved us depsite of
the short comings and flaws we may have. So it doesn't matter if you can
not see past his short comings, and GOD certainly doesn't have to forgive
what sins you have, Since your refusing to forgive your brother who sins
against you.

so the chains of hurt are on you Irvin is free from his sin and anytime he
does sin, He can all ways repent of his sins and Christ through his blood
will all ways forgive him 70x7 which means he all ways forgives no matter
what

First this sounds like you're judging me for judging Irvin... kind of ironic.
Second, I never said that GOD wouldn't forgive him and never said that you couldn't. To me a man should be held accountable for his actions. This is a plague that is infecting the world. No one wants or thinks that they should be held responsible for what they do. It is always someone elses fault. So you can hide behind your sanctimonious babble and explain away all of Irvins worldy trangresions. I will have my opions as to his worth as a man and God can judge his soal, but you have no right to tell me Satanic snitch. You go ahead and keep your views on the world and how no one can comment on someones trangressions because we are not God!

EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE! Go ahead and make excuses for that poor excuse of a man.

"It is always someone elses fault!" That is distroying the fabric of society.

TexasCowboy wrote:just like you have no right to judge his sole

TexasCowboy wrote:so what you're doing
is being a Satanic snitch..Whether you want to see that or not is your choice

TexasCowboy wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

TexasCowboy wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm a Christian, but I don't see how any of what you are saying applies to Michael Irvin and ESPN, TexasCowboy. ESPN dumped Irvin because they can't afford to be mired in any controversy with him and any combination of drugs or women.

You can go give the executives that speech if you want, but why should they have to take those kinds of risks when there are thousands of potential analysts out there who also happen to have clean private lives? Life is full of consequences for our actions, and Irvin is simply seeing the consequences of his past behavior. . .there's no 'love the sinner hate the sin' about it.

I wasn't talking about ESPN. I was talking to your friends here who seem
to judge Irvin for his life choices..and act as though they have never once made a horrid decision to sin and do bad things..Who walk as though they are high and mighty and perfect. On this planet your not perfect I'm not
perfect and neither is anyone who has a private life such a sports star or
even a movie star..Just because they live a more rich and abundant life
doesn't mean they are meant to be perfect..No human is perfect that is
why it was written Romans 3:23 that all have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of GOD, This applies to everyone, Poor, wealthy, working 2
jobs just to make ends meet..You have no right what so ever to judge
him in any manor or fashion

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

If I were you I'd keep your eyes on how you live your own life, never
mind thinking you can control other peoples lives for them, because one
day you maybe looking at the Lake of fire, and nobody else

Look I may have cheated at my job from time to time, but I never bragged about. Irvin did all the time on ESPN.

I have never cheated on a girfriend, before I was married and certainly never cheated on my wife. Irvin did.

I never did drug or disrespected my employer (actually that would be you since I am in the Navy) by getting caught in a hotel with cocain and whores (it never happen so I couldn't get caugth). And I certainly wouldn't have shown up at court for said offense looking like Huggy Bear from Starsky and Hutch. Irvin did!

You can forgive him, God will forgive him (if he has a repentant heart - juries out on that one), but I certainly don't have to forgive his actions. Having him get into the HOF in front of a good man and a better receiver like Art Monk is a slap in the face of every guy that goes to work does his job better than the next guy, doesn't bring shame to his employer, but doesn't get the recognition the other guy does because that guy is always telling everyone how good he is while the other guy quietly does it better.
Even though deep down inside you know he isn't as good as the other guy, after hearing him say that he is you start to believe it. The guy that plays well but talks a great game will always get more press than the guy that plays GREAT, but says very little.

The point of the matter is you are not GOD so stop trying to play him to
me your his Satanic blabber mouth, who runs and tells GOD every little
thing soneone else does. The Bible says that GOD knew us before we were formed in our mother womb. He knew everything about us before
anyone else knew anything about us, and yet he still loved us depsite of
the short comings and flaws we may have. So it doesn't matter if you can
not see past his short comings, and GOD certainly doesn't have to forgive
what sins you have, Since your refusing to forgive your brother who sins
against you.

so the chains of hurt are on you Irvin is free from his sin and anytime he
does sin, He can all ways repent of his sins and Christ through his blood
will all ways forgive him 70x7 which means he all ways forgives no matter
what

First this sounds like you're judging me for judging Irvin... kind of ironic.
Second, I never said that GOD wouldn't forgive him and never said that you couldn't. To me a man should be held accountable for his actions. This is a plague that is infecting the world. No one wants or thinks that they should be held responsible for what they do. It is always someone elses fault. So you can hide behind your sanctimonious babble and explain away all of Irvins worldy trangresions. I will have my opions as to his worth as a man and God can judge his soal, but you have no right to tell me Satanic snitch. You go ahead and keep your views on the world and how no one can comment on someones trangressions because we are not God!

EVEN THOUGH WE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE! Go ahead and make excuses for that poor excuse of a man.

"It is always someone elses fault!" That is distroying the fabric of society.

YOU have no right to judge his worth as a man, just like you have no right
to judge his sole..YOU are not him, You are not the Alpha and the Omega
YOU. Have no right what so ever to say anything bad against anybody b/c
you have done no better. Romans 3:23 All have sinned and fallen short of
the glory of GOD, YOU, me and the rest of this world..so what you're doing
is being a Satanic snitch..Whether you want to see that or not is your choice

skinsfan#33 wrote:Quit quoting the bible and read my flipping post. I never said that I was judging his sole; that is up to God. You would have known that I said that if you had READ MY POST. As far as judging him, I have every right to state how I feel about his tragression and if you can't handle that maybe you are not an American. Go crawl up with your Bible and go away, but mostly just go away!

Fios wrote:flamethrower: I know you're passionate about this but please watch the personal attacks, please limit that to Smack

Irvin, ESPN split apparently about money
By Barry Horn

The Dallas Morning News

(MCT)

DALLAS - Michael Irvin and ESPN decide to part ways, and the rumors start to flow.

You wouldn't believe how many times "drugs" and "jail" were mentioned in telephone conversations last Saturday, the day the story broke. And those were some of Irvin's good friends speculating as to why he might be leaving ESPN.

Irvin understands. When he finally was reached in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., Irvin feigned anger that anyone might think the worst about him. He is resigned to looking out at a world of raised eyebrows. He knows he has earned them.

Turned out the parting - like in most business arrangements - was primarily about money. Just as the CBS-Deion Sanders divorce had been several seasons back.

Irvin, buoyed by his new Pro Football Hall of Fame status, overestimated his value to ESPN.

When the parties couldn't decide on a dollar amount, Irvin asked about supplementing his income outside the ESPN empire. He says he was told he could but only if ESPN, which doesn't like to have its employees appear elsewhere, approved of the project.

End of negotiations.

Give ESPN this: Sensitive to Irvin's standing, it went out of its way to protect his image. The network, tightlipped as usual about personnel decisions, happily volunteered that Irvin had not been "in violation of a contractual situation." That meant he hadn't committed an offense that violated a code-of-conduct clause to trigger a firing. In essence, ESPN was happy to try to kill the rumors.

Newspapers, news networks and certain Web sites, however, are suspicious by nature. You can be sure that police and court checks were made from here to Florida. It has been a week. Nothing.

Bottom line: Irvin was good on ESPN. If his was often the loudest voice at the table, that's the role he was cast to play. The studios at CBS and NBC are full. Fox doesn't appear to have much interest even though its football lineup could use a boost. Irvin's best immediate hope, should he want to keep a television presence, might be at the Los Angeles-based NFL Network, close to the movie studios where he hopes to work.

Bottom line: Irvin was good on ESPN.