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roybus14 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I about 3-4 games the people who demanded we bench Brunell or fire Gibbs because he's addled in the brain for not doing so will be calling Gibbs addled for starting Campbell and demanding he be fired.

Right now, everyone can be happy though because those of us who defended Gibbs and those who attacked him wanted Brunell to sit.

If Campbell does not do well, I won't call for Gibbs' head as the head coach, more as GM. Gibbs can't play for Jason. He can only evaluate his talent. It is up to Jason to do his thing now that he has his chance. I expect for him to have some bumps but I think that with game experience and experience in Al's system that he will be a good QB for this team this season and beyond.

Fair enough. Instead of "the people" I should have said "many of the people."

HEROHAMO wrote: Hey redeemed you know I admire your faith man. But why such blind loyalty to no. 8. Maybe he isnt the best thing for the Skins anymore. We all wanted him to do well

you're kidding, right?

There were some fans that did but there were a lot of idiots that did not and some even wanted him to get hurt.




Hail to the chief, it's time to watch the Campbell era begin. HAIL

SkinsJock wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote: Hey redeemed you know I admire your faith man. But why such blind loyalty to no. 8. Maybe he isnt the best thing for the Skins anymore. We all wanted him to do well

you're kidding, right?

There were some fans that did but there were a lot of idiots that did not and some even wanted him to get hurt.

Hail to the chief, it's time to watch the Campbell era begin. HAIL

Every team has some fans who are jerks with injuries, let's ignore them.

But when you say "some fans" wanted Brunell to do well, that is just an inane statement to put in a post. If we want him pulled for sucking, that means we don't want him to do well? When he was good last year we were downcast because we want him to play poorly? Sure.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:..But when you say "some fans" wanted Brunell to do well, that is just an inane statement to put in a post. If we want him pulled for sucking, that means we don't want him to do well? When he was good last year we were downcast because we want him to play poorly? Sure.

I'm not sure I get the point but ...

I'm just one of those fans who just wants the team to do well no matter who is playing. I find it hard to accept that so many were hoping a player would not play well and thought that would make Gibbs start another player - Gibbs is not a coach who operates like that but that is most likely because there are a lot of people who just do not know how great Gibbs is.



We now have Campbell and we still have some idiots - they might think that they can now be considered fans but they are not - they are still low lifes.



I am still hoping that all the players and coaches get it together and play well - I am a fan of the Washington Redskins and want nothing but the best for all the members of our team and their coaches.

SCSkinsFan said

Welch, tou crack me up. You've been around long enough that I thought you would be calling for George Izo at QB.

No, not George Izo....Ralph Guglielmi.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:Hey redeemed you know I admire your faith man. But why such blind loyalty to no. 8. Maybe he isnt the best thing for the Skins anymore. We all wanted him to do well but it just hasnt panned out. So why not give the young guy a chance. Start a new tailgate13? Huh why not? Your just the guy to lead the cheer squad. Ill be waiting.

Thanks for the kind words, HEROHAMO. They are well received.

As for rooting for JC, it will happen. I just feel a little bummed having to inform the TRO Marketing dept. that we have to cancel our orders for "Brunell for Super Bowl XLI MVP" Playoff run baners, car flags, bumper stickers, and coozies.

Of course, I trust the TRO braintrust to come up with something catchy along the lines of "The Tailg8".

For now, please settle for:

"Viva JC!!!"

It's the best I could do on short notice.

Well Understood. Hey if we can win out we may still be able to make the big dance. Its a long shot but hey its still possible.

SkinsJock wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:..But when you say "some fans" wanted Brunell to do well, that is just an inane statement to put in a post. If we want him pulled for sucking, that means we don't want him to do well? When he was good last year we were downcast because we want him to play poorly? Sure.

I'm not sure I get the point but ...

I'm just one of those fans who just wants the team to do well no matter who is playing.

The point: We all are fans, including you. We all want the team to win, including you. My point was pretty clear. You defend MB, that's fine. Many of us think he sucks.

We are all fans and we all want the team to win except for a few nuts. Your point you just want the team to win is fine. The implication in your post we don't is inane.

HEROHAMO wrote:Hey if we can win out we may still be able to make the big dance. Its a long shot but hey its still possible.

I like the way you think.

welch wrote:SCSkinsFan said

Welch, you crack me up. You've been around long enough that I thought you would be calling for George Izo at QB.

No, not George Izo....Ralph Guglielmi.

Yeah, I was going to throw Ralph's name in there too, but he did start for the Skins. But, he was Eddie Lebaron's backup at one time, wasn't he? Or was it the other way around? Did we have King Hill as an option?

If something happens to JC I'd hope to see Randel El under center! He throws a tighter sprial than Brunnel...but so do I...

"Next whipping boy?" I won't go that far, but will say even prior to Galloway's TD catch, I'd been thinking about how average at best Carlos Rodgers is. His tackling reminds me of Dion Sanders - arm tackling and blindly diving at ankles. Still early in his career, but I don't see any greatness in his pass coverage skills.

I think that after today's game, the focus needs to be on the defense first. We need to concentrate on tackling drills this week.

On offence, we need to focus on the o-line. They seemed to play better when running stunts on the line. Our o-line needs to, basically, be more aggressive.

SCSkins said

Yeah, I was going to throw Ralph's name in there too, but he did start for the Skins. But, he was Eddie Lebaron's backup at one time, wasn't he? Or was it the other way around? Did we have King Hill as an option?

Guglielmi, known as "the Goog", was Eddie Lebaron's backup, roughly 1957 through 1959, and Rudy Bukich was number 3.

Then "The Little General" retired and the Goog startyed for one amazing season. I think the team won one game -- they beat the expansion Cowboys, I think. Eddie L played the first couple of seasons in Dallas, I think because it was near his home, while "Dandy" Don Meredith learned...but that's another story.

King Hill was a backup for a season or two.

So was M.C. Reynolds, otherwise known mainly as the third-string QB that George Preston Marshall offered to the Browns for Bobby Mitchell when all of Washington demanded that Marshall begin to integrate the team. The Browns turned down the deal, and Marshall said, "Look, I tried."

Let's play "hope springs eternal", shall we!!


Let's just say that JC is our QB for the future?

1. It is up to Al Saunders to figure out whether or not T.J. Duckett is a back for this offense. If he is, then sign him, if he ain't, try to work some sort of sign-n-trade deal to get a pick or two for him to recover the 3rd pick we lost. The makeup of the offense that we have now is fine and once these guys get comfortable with Al Saunders' system, we will become just like Al's other teams.

2. All other acquisitions and draft choices (if we are lucky enough to get them) should be on the defensive side of the ball. Period....

3. Cut down on all of the coaches and make the high price ones earn their money. That means if you call AS and GW your OC and DC, then get rid of Bugle and Blanche as coordinators. There are too many chiefs and not enough indians. This way, AS and GW are forced to not only teach their schemes but also get back to teaching fundamentals.

4. Hire a qualified GM. Hell since there is no salary cap on GM's, throw the bank at say Ron Wolf, who by the way resides in Annapolis.

5. Accountability and fiscal responsibility. Start holding everybody accountable for not doing their jobs. Stop breaking the bank trying to out bid other teams only offer "real" value for any potential free agents. Get cheap like the Patriots.

I'd say that Gibbs is going to be the next whipping boy:

If Campbell continues to do well, there will be plenty of calls for his head or accusations of stupidity for not playing Campbell since day 1.

If Campbell struggles and doesn't finish the season well, there will be plenty of calls for Gibbs' head and accusations of stupidity for not finding it out sooner.

Since Brunell is perceived as a waste, no matter how Campbell does with the Skins, it's going to reflect poorly on Gibbs.

That's my call on this situation. . .

welch wrote:Who is this Jason Campbell? It's finally time to start Patrick Ramsey!!!

Starting Campbell is just fine with us Ramsey fans. As long as Brunell is on the bench or not in the stadium, I'll keep the peace.

Irn-Bru wrote:I'd say that Gibbs is going to be the next whipping boy:

If Campbell continues to do well, there will be plenty of calls for his head or accusations of stupidity for not playing Campbell since day 1.

If Campbell struggles and doesn't finish the season well, there will be plenty of calls for Gibbs' head and accusations of stupidity for not finding it out sooner.

Since Brunell is perceived as a waste, no matter how Campbell does with the Skins, it's going to reflect poorly on Gibbs.

That's my call on this situation. . .

I have got to agree with your post. What's more, I think the reactions you've enumerated above are totally justified.

Irn-Bru wrote:If Campbell continues to do well, there will be plenty of calls for his head or accusations of stupidity for not playing Campbell since day 1.

Those calls would be irrational. Who can say what the benefit was for Jason to watch someone else run Saunders offense from the sidelines? Though I would have preferred to see Gibbs make the change earlier in the season, when it was obvious (to some of us) that MB just didn't have it, you have to think that the time JC spent watching was very valuable, and will help him run the offense more smoothly from here on out.

joebagadonuts wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:If Campbell continues to do well, there will be plenty of calls for his head or accusations of stupidity for not playing Campbell since day 1.

Those calls would be irrational. Who can say what the benefit was for Jason to watch someone else run Saunders offense from the sidelines? Though I would have preferred to see Gibbs make the change earlier in the season, when it was obvious (to some of us) that MB just didn't have it, you have to think that the time JC spent watching was very valuable, and will help him run the offense more smoothly from here on out.

I'm sure it was valuable, but not as valuable as playing would've been. The 'might have beens' are all speculation, but given how weak the rest of the division and NFC is, I think we could've still been in the playoff hunt with a different QB. At least two of our losses (Minn. and Tenn.) were close, and could've gone the other way easily enough. Heck, if Campbell had been the starter longer, maybe he and Lloyd would've had their timing down better on that first long pass yesterday. Sure, the defense is still bad, and we're obviously not going to win the Super Bowl this year, but I can't help but think we'd have fared better starting JC from Day 1.

Irn-Bru wrote:If Campbell struggles and doesn't finish the season well, there will be plenty of calls for Gibbs' head and accusations of stupidity for not finding it out sooner.

You won't hear those calls from me. All young QBs struggle when they first start out. Heck, even Peyton the Great has a bad game every once in a while. I'm just glad Gibbs finally decided to play the kid, although I'm still steamed he decided to waste the season on Brunell first.

Irn-Bru wrote:If Campbell struggles and doesn't finish the season well, there will be plenty of calls for Gibbs' head and accusations of stupidity for not finding it out sooner.

No worries on this point FFA. I think that from what we saw yesterday that Campbell will be a very decent QB - he has the arm we were hoping for and he seemed very poised for his first game. He looked fine and I'm sure he will only improve as he gets more experience.

Mursilis wrote:You won't hear those calls from me. All young QBs struggle when they first start out. Heck, even Peyton the Great has a bad game every once in a while. I'm just glad Gibbs finally decided to play the kid, although I'm still steamed he decided to waste the season on Brunell first.

We just disagree on this! I have always felt that the sooner the better as far as Campbell getting experience was concerned I just disagree that Brunell was the reason we lost those games. We just do not know what would have been but our defense certainly has not played well and the team has not played up to their potential.

I'm not speculating about how much better we might have been with Campbell playing but I do know that our defense has not performed well.
I just think it is not all Brunell's fault. It is a lot more on other players and coaches.

Anyway, that part is over - we still are not playing well enough to win as a team - this is not about certain players this is about our team playing well or playing badly together.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'd say that Gibbs is going to be the next whipping boy:

If Campbell continues to do well, there will be plenty of calls for his head or accusations of stupidity for not playing Campbell since day 1.

If Campbell struggles and doesn't finish the season well, there will be plenty of calls for Gibbs' head and accusations of stupidity for not finding it out sooner.

Since Brunell is perceived as a waste, no matter how Campbell does with the Skins, it's going to reflect poorly on Gibbs.

That's my call on this situation. . .

I have got to agree with your post. What's more, I think the reactions you've enumerated above are totally justified.

There are some other considerations though.

- WAS Campbell ready at the beginning of the season? He has had another half season of practice making 1 1/2, not a lot. AND there was a new offensive playbook to learn. Gibbs was with him every day.

- Would the fans have had any patience then? Now they do, Brunell has demonstrated he's too old and the season is for all practical purposes over (for playoffs). We are willing to accept Campbell yesterday (good start, but a loss) because of that. At the beginning of the season a very young player would have been expected to win. And that would have been difficult because ...

- ... yesterday was like game 1 and most of the season. The team is bad. And the D is really bad.

I can't say this post is "wrong" but it's certainly only one side of the story.