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BossHog wrote:So your first sentence is that we haven't done anything in FA and your second sentence is that spending sprees are the norm in DC when you just conceded that we hadn't done anything yet?

You always think you're making some good point but really all you ever do is try and butter both sides of the bread.

You're a walking contradiction... pure CowboySpeak.

Why don't you go moan about Redskin fans somewhere other than a Redskin board... your shtick is getting really, really, really old. Even broken records skip every now and again.

BossH, it's only March 3rd...plenty of time for Danny S to open the checkbook.

Buttering both sides of bread is really not all that bad. Tastes pretty good

I guess I can live with "Walking Contradiction", though I don't see it...in all seriousness, spending sprees HAVE been the norm in DC ever since Snyder took over and 2 "eventless" days in March 2005 aren't going to change my thought process on that.

I give you this;

The Redskins this off-season are making all of the good moves.

If they aren't making moves, then how are they making "good moves".

But I'm being contradictory. My bad. Sorry. I'll take a break until I wake up one morning to find that bombshell about the next superstar in Washington.

Thanks for your patience.

They weren't eventless days... we signed our own free agents that were still unsidgned or untendered in Marshall, Albright, Salave'a, and added a quality center and a decent wide receiver... both modestly priced. We also restructured Samuels contract to keep what management deems a core player in a Redskin uniform.

These are all 'moves'... they're just not splashes.

All of the big splashes this offseason have been made by the Cowboys. And that's not a slight... it's just an observation. You lash out at Redskin fans and say 'oh yeah... well you guys always overspend' instead of just conceding that this year... it's the Cowboys that are guilty of what you're accusing Snyder & the Redskins of. Sure there are lots of days left to make big name signings.... and we may very well make one or two...but we didn't pay for the right to be 'first on the block' like the Cowboys did. You prefer to ignore those facts and rely on the past since it doesn't really fit in with the current state of affairs.

i'm happy to concede that it is too early to say the Redskins may have learned their lesson... but it won't matter... you'll still be talking about past seasons, and past indiscretions cause it suits your cause.



20M to a 33 year old center? i can't imagine how much fun Cowboy fans would be having with that were the shoe on the other foot.

BossHog wrote:They weren't eventless days... we signed our own free agents that were still unsidgned or untendered in Marshall, Albright, Salave'a, and added a quality center and a decent wide receiver... both modestly priced. We also restructured Samuels contract to keep what management deems a core player in a Redskin uniform.

These are all 'moves'... they're just not splashes.

All of the big splashes this offseason have been made by the Cowboys. And that's not a slight... it's just an observation. You lash out at Redskin fans and say 'oh yeah... well you guys always overspend' instead of just conceding that this year... it's the Cowboys that are guilty of what you're accusing Snyder & the Redskins of. Sure there are lots of days left to make big name signings.... and we may very well make one or two...but we didn't pay for the right to be 'first on the block' like the Cowboys did. You prefer to ignore those facts and rely on the past since it doesn't really fit in with the current state of affairs.

i'm happy to concede that it is too early to say the Redskins may have learned their lesson... but it won't matter... you'll still be talking about past seasons, and past indiscretions cause it suits your cause.

And I agree with mostly everything you said. I never said the Cowboys DIDN'T overspend. But in the circumstances, they had to, or risk a repeat of last offseason. I for one am glad they DID overspend because the contracts are front loaded, meaning if these guys bomb, we cut them, take the hit and move on-but I don't see that happening.

Am I thrilled they paid a little much to Rivera and Henry especially? Not 100%, but they are two players I am extremely happy to have because they shore up two spots of weakness and now make them strengths. Plus, they are all motivated. Rivera himself said he wants to be a part of the "best line in the NFL" and that's music to my ears.

My point is basically yeah, they shelled out some, but the last people who should be ridiculing them for it are Redskin fans.

20M to a 33 year old center? i can't imagine how much fun Cowboy fans would be having with that were the shoe on the other foot. .ROTFALMAO

Yes, because we all know Linemen (He's a GUARD BTW) don't play well into their early 30's. And it's definitely comparable to a 8.6M SB for a 35 year old QB.

Say what you want but Bledsoe was a waste of money he is too old. Rivera and the other guy I have no idea about or who they are.

John Manfreda wrote:Say what you want but Bledsoe was a waste of money he is too old. Rivera and the other guy I have no idea about or who they are.

Are you serious about Rivera?

No love for the Big Uglies?

Primetime42 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:Say what you want but Bledsoe was a waste of money he is too old. Rivera and the other guy I have no idea about or who they are.

Are you serious about Rivera?

No love for the Big Uglies?

Yeah I don't look at other teams players except for the Redskins, I am not criticizing him I am just saying no opinion because I don't know about him and never saw him play. Actually I did but don't remember because I don't pay attention to the other team. Ferguson was stupid he is 32 he is too old. Like the Redskins signing Givens that was dump because he is 30 unless he is a third wideout but not a starter.
Rivera is really good signing i just saw he went to the probowl if he is young or like 28. Ferguson is 32 and getting up there. Should have just drafted one you all have two first rounders.

I for one am glad they DID overspend because the contracts are front loaded, meaning if these guys bomb, we cut them, take the hit and move on-but I don't see that happening.

That alone is a pretty incorrect assessment of the situation... if they bomb from the start... you're hooped. The Cowboys are counting on exactly the opposite being true.

because if the contract is front loaded and they bomb early... you're paying the bonus money plus a LARGER annual salary as opposed to the signing bonus plus a smaller annual salary.

It's not like the Cowboys are giving these guys LESS bonus money to sign front loaded contracts. And that would need to be the case in order for the Cowboys to be able to cut them and move on if they needed to and have it NOT be worse to have a front loaded contract.

What the Cowboys are trying to do is use a large amount of cap money this year to lock up a few guys now that are already well paid and won't need to be when it comes time to pay some of their core players who have upcoming contract renegotiations. It's not like i don't understand what they are trying to do. But there are reasons that nobody does it... there are a lot of risks. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea... it's too early to tell.

But if any of these three new contracts have anything bad happen in any of the first two years (injuries, hold outs, off field issues)... you're going to pay through the nose.

John Manfreda wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:Say what you want but Bledsoe was a waste of money he is too old. Rivera and the other guy I have no idea about or who they are.

Are you serious about Rivera?

No love for the Big Uglies?

Yeah I don't look at other teams players except for the Redskins, I am not criticizing him I am just saying no opinion because I don't know about him and never saw him play. Actually I did but don't remember because I don't pay attention to the other team. Ferguson was stupid he is 32 he is too old. Like the Redskins signing Givens that was dump because he is 30 unless he is a third wideout but not a starter.
Rivera is really good signing i just saw he went to the probowl if he is young or like 28. Ferguson is 32 and getting up there. Should have just drafted one you all have two first rounders.

I would agree with you had it been a skill position, but it's not.

They're both linemen. As long as they're strong and maintain some agility they're fine. Ferguson I can lean more with your sentiment because it's so hard for DT's to maintain talent level.

But we needed a big guy in there anyway, may as well take the best one we can get.

BossHog wrote:

I for one am glad they DID overspend because the contracts are front loaded, meaning if these guys bomb, we cut them, take the hit and move on-but I don't see that happening.

That alone is a pretty incorrect assessment of the situation... if they bomb from the start... you're hooped. The Cowboys are counting on exactly the opposite being true.

because if the contract is front loaded and they bomb early... you're paying the bonus money plus a LARGER annual salary as opposed to the signing bonus plus a smaller annual salary.

It's not like the Cowboys are giving these guys LESS bonus money to sign front loaded contracts. And that would need to be the case in order for the Cowboys to be able to cut them and move on if they needed to and have it NOT be worse to have a front loaded contract.

What the Cowboys are trying to do is use a large amount of cap money this year to lock up a few guys now that are already well paid and won't need to be when it comes time to pay some of their core players who have upcoming contract renegotiations. It's not like i don't understand what they are trying to do. But there are reasons that nobody does it... there are a lot of risks. I'm not saying that it's a bad idea... it's too early to tell.

But if any of these three new contracts have anything bad happen in any of the first two years (injuries, hold outs, off field issues)... you're going to pay through the nose.

What I meant is after the first two or three years, when the salary and bonus numbers dip a little. I doubt we see any of them pull a Wiley-who was released because he bombed and then openly complained about it.

Come to think of it, supposedly the only reason they signed Wiley was because they couldn't get Berry and Ekuban wasn't coming back anyway. Maybe it is the system

Primetime42 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:Say what you want but Bledsoe was a waste of money he is too old. Rivera and the other guy I have no idea about or who they are.

Are you serious about Rivera?

No love for the Big Uglies?

Yeah I don't look at other teams players except for the Redskins, I am not criticizing him I am just saying no opinion because I don't know about him and never saw him play. Actually I did but don't remember because I don't pay attention to the other team. Ferguson was stupid he is 32 he is too old. Like the Redskins signing Givens that was dump because he is 30 unless he is a third wideout but not a starter.
Rivera is really good signing i just saw he went to the probowl if he is young or like 28. Ferguson is 32 and getting up there. Should have just drafted one you all have two first rounders.

I would agree with you had it been a skill position, but it's not.

They're both linemen. As long as they're strong and maintain some agility they're fine. Ferguson I can lean more with your sentiment because it's so hard for DT's to maintain talent level.

But we needed a big guy in there anyway, may as well take the best one we can get.

One gets weaker over time and speed matters as a lineman. Quickness off the snap. I don't know who old Rivera is. Lineman you can go longer. Endurance, the older one gets the less their endurance goes. Age matters at every position, except punter and kicker. when you all have so many draft picks I would pick and devolop.

John Manfreda wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:Say what you want but Bledsoe was a waste of money he is too old. Rivera and the other guy I have no idea about or who they are.

Are you serious about Rivera?

No love for the Big Uglies?

Yeah I don't look at other teams players except for the Redskins, I am not criticizing him I am just saying no opinion because I don't know about him and never saw him play. Actually I did but don't remember because I don't pay attention to the other team. Ferguson was stupid he is 32 he is too old. Like the Redskins signing Givens that was dump because he is 30 unless he is a third wideout but not a starter.
Rivera is really good signing i just saw he went to the probowl if he is young or like 28. Ferguson is 32 and getting up there. Should have just drafted one you all have two first rounders.

I would agree with you had it been a skill position, but it's not.

They're both linemen. As long as they're strong and maintain some agility they're fine. Ferguson I can lean more with your sentiment because it's so hard for DT's to maintain talent level.

But we needed a big guy in there anyway, may as well take the best one we can get.

One gets weaker over time and speed matters as a lineman. Quickness off the snap. I don't know who old Rivera is. Lineman you can go longer. Endurance, the older one gets the less their endurance goes. Age matters at every position, except punter and kicker. when you all have so many draft picks I would pick and devolop.

Other than those 2 first rounders we don't have many unless Parcells is in the mood to trade again.

All these moves have been smart so far.

The only picks Dallas are missing are the third rounder that was traded to Houston for Henson and a seventh (could be a sixth I'm to lazy right now to look) that was traded to Oakland for Kenyon Coleman.

Dallas should be getting two sixth round comp picks so it's not like there's no picks when you factor in Buffalo's #20.

curveball wrote:The only picks Dallas are missing are the third rounder that was traded to Houston for Henson and a seventh (could be a sixth I'm to lazy right now to look) that was traded to Oakland for Kenyon Coleman.

Dallas should be getting two sixth round comp picks so it's not like there's no picks when you factor in Buffalo's #20.

From what I know we lost a sixth and a seventh.

I'm hopeful that we end up with those two compensatory picks clean. Might be able to package something.

Is there a reason we are comparing the Skins strategy to the Cowboys??!!?!?! Both teams are far in the Eagles rear-view mirror.

We (BOTH CLUBS) should be looking at Philthy and Carolina who build with a mix of draft, Free Agency and player development.



wonker

wonker wrote:Is there a reason we are comparing the Skins strategy to the Cowboys??!!?!?! Both teams are far in the Eagles rear-view mirror.

We (BOTH CLUBS) should be looking at Philthy and Carolina who build with a mix of draft, Free Agency and player development.



wonker

That may be the first and only time I ever agree 100% with you.

kkryan wrote:This should make you guys laugh. Look at the stupid cowboys. They are so pathetic they decided to adopt Snyders free agency plan.

I am so glad we are not being fiscally irresponsible. Things are looking a lot different with Joe in charge. I am disappointed with losing Pierce but he is replacable. In this age of football you have to make hard decisions and I am pleased that management didnt cave in to Pierce's and Smoot's demands.

How's that Brunnel thing working out? Say hi to Neon Deion for me. Talk about spending. You guys paid millions for players not even on your roster... Duh Spent Billions in the last 5 years for what? Mediocrity, I think your just mad because Danny boy isn't winning the league's offseason championship this year. Much like he has the last 5 years.

Thanks for that stunning insight. We've never heard that type of remark from a Cowboy fan before. Thanks for bringing in gobs of originality.

Some might argue that Snyder spent the money to develop THE MOST VALUABLE SPORTS FRANCHISE ON THE PLANET... but hey, I know it's easier to poke fun.

Did his FA ploys work? no. Did we burn some money? Yes.

Did you win jack while we were spending that money either? No.

... and now that the Skins ARE practicing fiscal responsibility, it's really no surprise that Cowboy fans need to fall back on the past to knock it, especially when it looks like they are guilty of everything they're accusing Snyder of.

As for spending big money on players no longer with the team... hey what can i say? no arguments... being aggressive can lead to dead cap and i'm not denying it one bit. listen to XM satellite channel 116 today at 3pm and you may even hear me talk about it a bit.

But so what? it's not like we're the only ones. It's not like we had to purge over $20M in contracts like Tennessee did... so while it may not have won us anything special... it hasn't killed us yet either. Not like the Cowboys paid in the late 90s for cap mismanagement.

As for dead cap... so far, we have $7M in dead cap for 2005... i don't know all the Cowboy numbers but i do know that Wiley alone costs you $3.5m this year, Coakley 2m... that's $5.5 without blinking. So keep throwing them stones.

BossHog wrote:Some might argue that Snyder spent the money to develop THE MOST VALUABLE SPORTS FRANCHISE ON THE PLANET... but hey, I know it's easier to poke fun.

Well, the stadium does have a lot to do with that, Boss...Wait til the ARlington thing is done

BossHog wrote:As for spending big money on players no longer with the team... hey what can i say? no arguments... being aggressive can lead to dead cap and i'm not denying it one bit. listen to XM satellite channel 116 today at 3pm and you may even hear me talk about it a bit.

SPAM!!!!!

Wow, thanks for that. Great stuff. This must be what people are talking about when they say that some Cowboy fans actually bring something to the board.




... and I'm pretty sure that I can get approval from myself to post the Xm info.

Was it expressed written consent or implied thought?

I asked myself. I did ramble on a bit while I was explaining it to myself, but in the end, I was able to get me to get permission.

BossHog wrote:I asked myself. I did ramble on a bit while I was explaining it to myself, but in the end, I was able to get me to get permission.

Was it a tough sell for you?

We'd hate to think you were taking advantage of yourself.

BossHog wrote:Thanks for that stunning insight. We've never heard that type of remark from a Cowboy fan before. Thanks for bringing in gobs of originality.

Some might argue that Snyder spent the money to develop THE MOST VALUABLE SPORTS FRANCHISE ON THE PLANET... but hey, I know it's easier to poke fun.

Did his FA ploys work? no. Did we burn some money? Yes.

Did you win jack while we were spending that money either? No.

... and now that the Skins ARE practicing fiscal responsibility, it's really no surprise that Cowboy fans need to fall back on the past to knock it, especially when it looks like they are guilty of everything they're accusing Snyder of.

As for spending big money on players no longer with the team... hey what can i say? no arguments... being aggressive can lead to dead cap and i'm not denying it one bit. listen to XM satellite channel 116 today at 3pm and you may even hear me talk about it a bit.

But so what? it's not like we're the only ones. It's not like we had to purge over $20M in contracts like Tennessee did... so while it may not have won us anything special... it hasn't killed us yet either. Not like the Cowboys paid in the late 90s for cap mismanagement.

As for dead cap... so far, we have $7M in dead cap for 2005... i don't know all the Cowboy numbers but i do know that Wiley alone costs you $3.5m this year, Coakley 2m... that's $5.5 without blinking. So keep throwing them stones.

it looks like they are guilty of everything they're accusing Snyder of.

Yeah jerry does this every year just like little danny boy!

THE MOST VALUABLE SPORTS FRANCHISE ON THE PLANET

Yeah for the time being. Btw who really cares if you get your arses swept every year? LOL

Did you win jack while we were spending that money either? No.

Sorry you guys have been good for 2 for years... this is too easy.

A legend in your own mind eh?

And in typical CowboySpeak... you skirted any real topics with a nanny nanny poo poo.



What a waste of time.