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For some Redskins fans, even the thought of seeing another appearance of Rex Grossman, starting quarterback is about as appealing as watching a Cowboys-Ravens Super Bowl with Deion Sanders and Adam Archuleta while listening to Larry Michael read ads for Johnny Rockets into a broken PA system.

And yet, I’m just now listening to Kyle Shanahan’s appearance on ESPN 980’s Sports Fix last week, and he takes a more nuanced view of Grossman. The introductory question from Kevin Sheehan concerned whether the younger Shanahan is as confident in Grossman now as he was a year ago.

“Yeah, definitely,” the offensive coordinator said. “I feel pretty much the same way about Rex now as I did a year ago. I know Rex needs to get better. Everybody wants a franchise quarterback, but unfortunately there’s only about 10 of ‘em on the planet. So people make a lot of mistakes, trying to trade their draft away or pay a lot of money to people who really aren’t that.

“You’ve got to be able to evaluate, you’ve got to make sure you get the best guy possible. Everybody wants one of those 10 guys, but you don’t just go get one of those 10 guys when they’re not available.

“Rex, to me, he did do some good things here this year. He helped us move the ball. We lost seven starters out of 11 on offense, and despite that he was able to still move us up and down the field. Now, he had way too many turnovers. He kept both teams in the game. He gave us a chance to make plays, but he also gives them too many plays, too. And that’s a very tough combination to win with.

“When you look at our team, I think Rex CAN be better. I think that starts with getting him to be smarter with the ball. But the one thing I give Rex credit, is he gave us a chance to win games. We do need to get better at that position, he needs to play better, but until you can find a better guy, you’ve also got to get better guys around him, where you don’t have to feel like Rex needs to make all the plays to get us to win.”

Then Shanahan cited the oft-used statistic that he also mentioned to Mike Jones last week: that no Redskins receiver caught a Grossman pass in the field of play and ran it into the end zone until Week 16.

“We’ve got to get some guys that can make some plays on their own, and turn a little shallow up into a big play and score some points,” Shanahan said. “When we took Rex out those three games, we stopped moving the ball, we stopped making plays. So I know Rex has got to do a lot better, he cannot turn the ball over like that if he wants a chance to win, but to give Rex some credit, he was also the best playmaker that we had on the field.”

SkinsJock wrote:ROTFALMAO Good luck with thinking that Canes

We'll see how good a prognosticator you are come August


despite what your opinions are of this FO, they are NOT starting the season with Grossman or Beck as the QB, no way

RayNAustin wrote:I think Kyle's take on it is pretty accurate and realistic.

Rex shows flashes of brilliance, and when he get's into a rhythm, he can look like a franchise QB. But he insists on throwing the one or two balls that are just horrible decisions that result in picks, and negates the positives he provides. Couple that with the fumbles, and he's that proverbial curse and the cure. He's quite maddening in that regard ... if only he could eliminate those turnovers, and be consistent, he could be a good QB ... not great, but good enough to win with.

Unfortunately, he's been this way for his entire career, and at this point, it would be foolish to think that is going to change significantly.

I certainly think that Rex needs to be here next year, albeit in a transition/back up role ... but if the Redskins go into next season without the QB of the immediate future, it will be a huge failure. I think they know this, and I think they will make a bold move to get a top tier QB in the draft.

I think there is a good opportunity to swing a deal with St Louis ... a new coach, wanting extra picks to shore up the roster who already has a young top tier QB in Bradford ... I see deal written all over that.

Countertrey wrote:If the Browns want RGIII, they will have him, and there is nothing we can do to stop them. Giving up 2 first round picks from this year's draft for a player of this quality is a no brainer.

I'm not convinced they want him. If we move to 2, it's because the Browns were not interested in him, to begin with.

SkinsJock wrote:This FO saw the error in thinking that a combination of Beck and Grossman might help the offense get through the season
It's AMAZING that some here think that this FO could actually plan to start EITHER QB here in September

WHY??



The Redskins will have a number of QBs here that will have a shot at starting here - maybe even including Beck and Grossman
1 of those QBs (NOT Beck or Grossman) will be THE starting QB here

there does not appear to be much to the QB class after Luck & RGIII but I'm sure that we'll also get at least 1 rookie QB in the mix as well
Be great if we could get RGIII - IF this FO really, really likes him

This FO will NOT give up 4 TOP 60 players in the next 2 drafts ... and that's a good thing

we do need to find a future great QB soon but NOT at the expense of being able to add 4 to 5 VERY talented players




The Shanaplan needs to stay on track

The Redskins could have claimed Orton off waivers late in the season and thought about it, a source said, but didn’t want to damage the locker room’s morale because of his non-relationship with Rex Grossman. The two competed for the same job in Chicago and Grossman was well-respected by his Redskins teammates.

Plus, what could have been gained? Orton, who has started for Denver and Kansas City, likely would have opted for free agency after the season anyway.

However, possible Grossman-Orton clashes wouldn't be an issue for 2012, because Grossman also is a free agent, so the Redskins likely wouldn't bring him back if they signed Orton.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:This FO saw the error in thinking that a combination of Beck and Grossman might help the offense get through the season
It's AMAZING that some here think that this FO could actually PLAN to start EITHER QB here in September

The Redskins will have a number of QBs here that will have a shot at starting here - maybe even including Beck and Grossman
1 of those QBs (NOT Beck or Grossman) will be THE starting QB here

there does not appear to be much to the QB class after Luck & RGIII but I'm sure that we'll also get at least 1 rookie QB in the mix as well
Be great if we could get RGIII - IF this FO really, really likes him

This FO will NOT give up 4 TOP 60 players in the next 2 drafts ... and that's a good thing

we do need to find a future great QB soon but NOT at the expense of being able to add 4 to 5 VERY talented players

The Shanaplan needs to stay on track

This logic is ridiculous. If Grossman/Beck is here as the backup/transition guy and we draft a rookie (everyone except Luck is said to need time to sit on the bench and develop), and then in the offseason/preseason Grossman/Beck outperforms the said rookie (and possibly other FA QBs we acquire) they will be starting in week 1 next year. It's that plain and simple.

StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't think there are many Skins fans that want to see Grossman return (me being one of them), but I certainly wouldn't say it's not going to happen.

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:I don't think there are many Skins fans that want to see Grossman return (me being one of them), but I certainly wouldn't say it's not going to happen.

There's a good chance that Grossman returns

This FO will make sure that the starting QB is NOT Rex Grossman

Before the 2007 season, Grossman vowed that he would improve his performance by simply “protecting the ball."[33] Smith named him as the team’s starting quarterback for the 2007 season, despite inconsistent and lackluster play throughout the preseason.[34] Grossman struggled in his first three outings of the season, and committed ten turnovers with a 45.2 passer rating.[35][36] After week three, several news sources reported that Smith demoted him in favor of Brian Griese.

SkinsJock wrote:I just think that there's at least 1 free agent QB that the FO already feels will be better than Grossman

Getting RGIII would be great but he's still going to need time to get ready

I think we may see Grossman but only if he does really well getting ready and helping the rookie

StorminMormon86 wrote:We all know that just about every viable FA QB is better than Grossman