2-14 = Andrew Luck Our Future QB

[RedskinsRule56]

You do you realize that other teams improve also right? We have a major downgrade at QB the most important position on the football field. With 7 new starters on 5 new starters on defense it will take a while for them all to gel. I have already spoken in a previous message about our FA signings and about Kerrigan. I am not breaking it all down again. I have also spoken about Chester our o-line and Gaffney.

[Red_One43]

RedOne Grossman was on pace for 40 turnovers if you spread his stats over a 16 game season. What are you trying to say about Grossman? Grossman and Beck both blow. I am glad we didnt pick up any of the other QB's via FA, Trade or in the Draft. I want Andrew Luck duh..

Fortunately or unfortunately, stats don't work that way. Grossman had 4 TDs in Dallas. Jax - 1 TD and Giants 2 TDs . That's 7 TDS in three games. That averages to 2.3 a game times 16 = 36.8 round to 37.

WOW! Grossman would have had 37 TD passes last year by your calculations.

It doens't work that way - Nice Try, though.

RR, there is a positve side to everything. Not you or anyone else can change that even if you try to twist the truth.

[RedskinsRule56]

RedOne I will make a gentlemen's bet with you. The Redskins averaged 18.9 pts per game last year (25th in the league). This year I say we will average less points per game then that.

[Red_One43]

RedOne I will make a gentlemen's bet with you. The Redskins averaged 18.9 pts per game last year (25th in the league). This year I say we will average less points per game then that.

Gentleman's bets work for me. You are on!

[skinsfan#33]

RedOne I will make a gentlemen's bet with you. The Redskins averaged 18.9 pts per game last year (25th in the league). This year I say we will average less points per game then that.

I would take that bet too. I will also add that not only will they cexceed their ppg average from last year, they will also exceed six wins. Since you are on record as saying they at best a six win team, you shouldn't have a problem with that.

I would also add they won't finish last in the division too, but why press my luck.

[TroySantana]

I'm sorry but I can't agree with deliberately losing games just for a better draft pick.

[SkinsJock]

SkinsJock Please tell me what winning 7 or 8 games this year does? We will still miss the playoffs and still not have a franchise QB. In addition we would still be stuck in mediocrity. Sometimes you have to take a few step backwards before going forwards. Look at the Falcons, Saints, Rams, Bucs, Lions etc all have drastically improved and have brighter futures right now. One of the major reasons is that they each landed a franchise QB.

RR - "you play to win the game"

I'm sorry mate - that's the problem here - we all want to make the franchise better - some of us think that things are getting better

OK - let's hypothesize - we all know we needed a QB at the end of last season - the FO looked at all the potential QBs that would be available in the draft and decided that we could wait - in their estimation NOBODY was worth what it might take to get and we are now left with Beck & Grossman

I don't think that either is going to be great but I also do NOT agree that we should now stop improving both the defense and the offense with the idea that by not doing well this season, we'll just get Luck in the next draft

This FO is VERY committed to making this franchise be as good as it can be as quickly as possible

now, here's the tricky part for you - easy for the rest of us

In order to get consistently competitive ASAP it's really taking a much bigger chance to hope that you get Luck than it is to build the O line and improve the defense - the franchise is getting a really good offensive group together and developing an awesome defense - SHORTLY we will add a great QB - NOT Andrew Luck ... but almost as good ... like a Tom Brady

Are you still folowing along here?
instead of having no HC, no defense & no offensive weapons - you've given this great QB a great offense and a super defense to play with

This is what this FO is doing

what you and a few others here are hoping for makes absolutely no sense

it actually sounds like a suggestion that a fan of another team would hope we take

fortunately for us - we're going to take the easy route

I only hope that whatever team you like is not in the NFC East next year

This is the Washington Redskins, we're going to be a force - there's going to be hell to pay for those that stand in the way

[RedskinsRule56]

Count me in SkinsFan33

[Red_One43]

You do you realize that other teams improve also right?

You do realize other teams get worse also, right?

We have a major downgrade at QB the most important position on the football field.

Look at McNabb's performance last year. Even with a running game as evidenced in the TB game what did he do? I am not laying blame on him. I am just saying that the positon didn't produce last year and it makes sense why. Behind the scenes and sometimes front and center, on camera, it was clear that McNabb was not doing what he was supposed to do.
McNabb said words to the effect, they want a robotic QB. This is not a place for McNabb, but perfect for a QB with something to prove. Just follow the script. Beck makes better decisions than Grossman. He moves better. A QB following the offensive plan is better than a more skilled one who won't.

With 7 new starters on 5 new starters on defense it will take a while for them all to gel.

Last year they were all new to an offensive scheme and a defensive scheme. Last year, some of those starters didn't fit the scheme. Dock, Carter, Kemoeatu. Golston wasn't starting material. Rabach was done as a center. Portis had no break away speed. Monty was playing out of position. Moore was a bust last year at safety.

I have already spoken in a previous message about our FA signings and about Kerrigan.

Kerrigan is an upgrade over Carter at OLB and if you think Alexander had the positon down late in the season see Vikings game Favre scramble 2:16 of the clip. Watch Alexander bail out of there and end up with Doughty- somebody has to cover that flat.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201011280 ... #tab:watch

I am not breaking it all down again. I have also spoken about Chester our o-line and Gaffney

Gaffney is more reliable than Galloway. Chester is an upgrade over Monty.

I have mentioned several upgrades. Below is are samples of what you call a position by position comparisons. Your analysis of each player is based on "we don't know," he's getting old" - Chester is not not an upgrade over Rabach because Chester is not a center. My work posts with links about our FA picks ups are all over this board. Bowen is clearly an upgrade over Golston. I just don't say that, I do my homework. Below is an example of one of my posts before the lockout ended. RR - you said that you are relentless in your research, but I have yet to see it on these boards - I see a guy that does know something about Redskin football, but I see a lot of personal opinions without support. I doubt that you are an expert in NFL talent and neither am I, but that's why I post links to support my opinions.

"I heard this guys name, Stephen Bowen, Dallas Cowboy, on ESPN 980 (DC Area) on Friday. Stephen Bowen. The Radio Sports guys like him as a cheaper and younger [color=yellow]alternative to Cullen Jenkins who is often injured. Love to steal one of their prized possessions, they have alreay offered him second round tender at $1.9 million. If we can't get him, at bid the price up on him."[/color]

Although Bowen doesn't attract a lot of limelight or get a lot of press, he has been surprisingly effective in a limited role (one which grew last season as he replaced an injured Marcus Spears in the starting lineup). As the DMN article points out, Bowen was named a "secret Superstar" by Pro Football Focus. After reviewing the 2010 tape, the guys at PFF ranked Bowen as the league's third-best 3-4 defensive end. Pretty impressive stuff. Exhibit A: in 346 pass-rush opportunities, Bowen had 25 total quarterback disruptions (one fewer than Jay Ratliff, who rushed the passer 137 more times).

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/6/9 ... phen-bowen

I have seen Chester play and he is terrible he is not much of an upgrade over Casey Rabach who was one of the worst centers in the NFL Last year.

Jabar Gaffney? Well that beats a washed up 38 year old Joey Galloway

Santana Moss is no longer a #1 WR in this league he is 32 years old and does not have the explosiveness he once had. I realize he caught 93 balls last year but he also ranked top 10 in drops and is a injured hammy away from being out of the lineup. Cooley's knee might never be right this year and I realize that Fred Davis can step in and produce but if we lose ey and or he is not 100% this year that will be a huge blow to an offense that already lacks playmakers.

John Beck who the Shanahan clowns are in love with. Who Frankly flat out sucks.

guys like Haynesworthless and declining Andre Carter that is fine I agree with you.

[color=yellow]Barry Cofield [/color]who has not played NT since college does not mean he will become an instant force at the position. Then lets look at Stephen Bowen who in limited starting time due to an injury to Marcus Spears played solid for the cowboys

London Fletcher is a beast but now at 36 years old he will eventually slow down

[jeremyroyce]

That is one reason why this team is dysfunctional.

Last year's team can easily be labeled as dysfunctional. What are you basing dysfunctinalism on this year?

That Beck or Grossman is the QB. Who would you rather have then as QB. McNabb who won't run the offense as it was meant to be? He was part of the dysfunction. Regardless of whose fault, you say it was for McNabb's failure - McNabb who is an improvisor can not function well in this offense. Do you Ponder, Dalton, Gabbert? A long term rookie QBs. Dalton looks horrible so far and fortunately for Ponder and Gabbert they do not have to start. Do you know better than Shanny as to whether these guys are the right QB for this Offense? Do you Orton with his 9 million dollar contract? What are we suposed to do with him if Shanny has his eyes on a college QB for next year's draft. Trade him like Denver did. Who should we have gotten after the lock out? Vince Young? He is tearing it up on the bench in Philly being out played by the 3rd teamer. Marc Bulger? - Retired. Hasselbeck? Stinking it up in Tenessee right now - having trouble learning to the O. Guess whose Offense is also similar to ours besides Houston.

The Shanny's are going to rid out the season with Beck or Grossman. Based on what we got out of the QB position last year, it won't take much to improve on that. Grossman in his three starts matched McNabb', the pro bowler's 13 starts in average per game stats.

Harping over not having a QB makes no sense when the coach has not settled on Beck or Grossman a THE QB - You and a couple of other say he will falter - that's the way YOU CHOOSE to see it - it doesn't make you right. I bet you were one of those guys that said that Grossman would implode in is three starts last year - did for a half in Dallas but get this - he hadn't started a game in how long?

I like how you only post part of my post. Seriously, what has this team done since winning the last super bowl in January of 1992. Nothing. We have been a laughing stock team. Sure we have made the playoffs 3 times and that's it. I'm not going to explain every reason as to why this team is dysfunctional other wise I would be here all night, however ONE REASON, Once again if John Beck starts which I believe he will, Beck will be the 21st different starting QB for this team since 1993. That right there is a problem. We have a revolving door at the QB situation. Look at the Dolphins since Dan Marino retired, look how many years the Falcons were set back after they traded Brett Favre, how about the Bills since Jim Kelly retired, how about the 49ers since Joe Montana and Steve Young retired, I could go on forever, but I'm giving you ONE REASON why this team is and has been dysfunctional.

[Red_One43]

That is one reason why this team is dysfunctional.

Last year's team can easily be labeled as dysfunctional. What are you basing dysfunctinalism on this year?

That Beck or Grossman is the QB. Who would you rather have then as QB. McNabb who won't run the offense as it was meant to be? He was part of the dysfunction. Regardless of whose fault, you say it was for McNabb's failure - McNabb who is an improvisor can not function well in this offense. Do you Ponder, Dalton, Gabbert? A long term rookie QBs. Dalton looks horrible so far and fortunately for Ponder and Gabbert they do not have to start. Do you know better than Shanny as to whether these guys are the right QB for this Offense? Do you Orton with his 9 million dollar contract? What are we suposed to do with him if Shanny has his eyes on a college QB for next year's draft. Trade him like Denver did. Who should we have gotten after the lock out? Vince Young? He is tearing it up on the bench in Philly being out played by the 3rd teamer. Marc Bulger? - Retired. Hasselbeck? Stinking it up in Tenessee right now - having trouble learning to the O. Guess whose Offense is also similar to ours besides Houston.

The Shanny's are going to rid out the season with Beck or Grossman. Based on what we got out of the QB position last year, it won't take much to improve on that. Grossman in his three starts matched McNabb', the pro bowler's 13 starts in average per game stats.

Harping over not having a QB makes no sense when the coach has not settled on Beck or Grossman a THE QB - You and a couple of other say he will falter - that's the way YOU CHOOSE to see it - it doesn't make you right. I bet you were one of those guys that said that Grossman would implode in is three starts last year - did for a half in Dallas but get this - he hadn't started a game in how long?

I like how you only post part of my post.

I post only the part that I want you to answer. I am glad that you understand.

Seriously, what has this team done since winning the last super bowl in January of 1992. Nothing. We have been a laughing stock team. Sure we have made the playoffs 3 times and that's it.

This has nothing to do with the team right now.

I'm not going to explain every reason as to why this team is dysfunctional other wise I would be here all night, however ONE REASON, Once again if John Beck starts which I believe he will, Beck will be the 21st different starting QB for this team since 1993. That right there is a problem. We have a revolving door at the QB situation. Look at the Dolphins since Dan Marino retired, look how many years the Falcons were set back after they traded Brett Favre, how about the Bills since Jim Kelly retired, how about the 49ers since Joe Montana and Steve Young retired, I could go on forever, but I'm giving you ONE REASON why this team is and has been dysfunctiona.l

Fair enough, I asked a question and I got an answer. Redskins are dysfunctional in your eyes because if John Beck starts he will be the 21st starting QB since 1993 and that constitutes a revolving door.

Beck has made one start and looked good, so what I am hearing is, if Beck looks good, then it is because it is pre-season and it means nothing. What I suspect I will hear from you if Beck does bad in a preseson game is, I told you so.

[jeremyroyce]

That is one reason why this team is dysfunctional.

Last year's team can easily be labeled as dysfunctional. What are you basing dysfunctinalism on this year?

That Beck or Grossman is the QB. Who would you rather have then as QB. McNabb who won't run the offense as it was meant to be? He was part of the dysfunction. Regardless of whose fault, you say it was for McNabb's failure - McNabb who is an improvisor can not function well in this offense. Do you Ponder, Dalton, Gabbert? A long term rookie QBs. Dalton looks horrible so far and fortunately for Ponder and Gabbert they do not have to start. Do you know better than Shanny as to whether these guys are the right QB for this Offense? Do you Orton with his 9 million dollar contract? What are we suposed to do with him if Shanny has his eyes on a college QB for next year's draft. Trade him like Denver did. Who should we have gotten after the lock out? Vince Young? He is tearing it up on the bench in Philly being out played by the 3rd teamer. Marc Bulger? - Retired. Hasselbeck? Stinking it up in Tenessee right now - having trouble learning to the O. Guess whose Offense is also similar to ours besides Houston.

The Shanny's are going to rid out the season with Beck or Grossman. Based on what we got out of the QB position last year, it won't take much to improve on that. Grossman in his three starts matched McNabb', the pro bowler's 13 starts in average per game stats.

Harping over not having a QB makes no sense when the coach has not settled on Beck or Grossman a THE QB - You and a couple of other say he will falter - that's the way YOU CHOOSE to see it - it doesn't make you right. I bet you were one of those guys that said that Grossman would implode in is three starts last year - did for a half in Dallas but get this - he hadn't started a game in how long?

I like how you only post part of my post.

I post only the part that I want you to answer. I am glad that you understand.

Seriously, what has this team done since winning the last super bowl in January of 1992. Nothing. We have been a laughing stock team. Sure we have made the playoffs 3 times and that's it.

This has nothing to do with the team right now.

I'm not going to explain every reason as to why this team is dysfunctional other wise I would be here all night, however ONE REASON, Once again if John Beck starts which I believe he will, Beck will be the 21st different starting QB for this team since 1993. That right there is a problem. We have a revolving door at the QB situation. Look at the Dolphins since Dan Marino retired, look how many years the Falcons were set back after they traded Brett Favre, how about the Bills since Jim Kelly retired, how about the 49ers since Joe Montana and Steve Young retired, I could go on forever, but I'm giving you ONE REASON why this team is and has been dysfunctiona.l

Fair enough, I asked a question and I got an answer. Redskins are dysfunctional in your eyes because if John Beck starts he will be the 21st starting QB since 1993 and that constitutes a revolving door.

Beck has made one start and looked good, so what I am hearing is, if Beck looks good, then it is because it is pre-season and it means nothing. What I suspect I will hear from you if Beck does bad in a preseson game is, I told you so.

I'm not the type of a guy that comes out and says "I told you so" If, I'm right then I keep my mouth shut, and if I'm dead wrong then I will admit that I'm wrong. Once again I'm not saying the QB situation is the only reason I feel the way I do about this team. No, I'm not sold on John Beck or Rex Grossman for that fact. We have a collection of 2nd and third string QB'S on this roster in my opinion. I also believe that out of all the 32 NFL teams, we are one of the weakest teams at the QB situation. How can you justify that these 2 clowns are better then McNabb? McNabb's resume speaks for itself. Ok, yes McNabb had a bad year, however it wasn't entirely all his fault either, others had also help contribute to his poor season. I mean seriously we gave how many dreadful years to Jason Campbell and yet we give McNabb only one year? If you even call it that. I guess you and I can agree to disagree.

[absinthe1023]

You would really like to see the community respond with rational discourse rather than blind homerism

What a stupid post

That was a very efficient way to prove my point.

[absinthe1023]

SkinsJock Please tell me what winning 7 or 8 games this year does? We will still miss the playoffs and still not have a franchise QB. In addition we would still be stuck in mediocrity. Sometimes you have to take a few step backwards before going forwards. Look at the Falcons, Saints, Rams, Bucs, Lions etc all have drastically improved and have brighter futures right now. One of the major reasons is that they each landed a franchise QB.

Please don't forget the Colts, Patriots, Chargers, and Packers. All of these teams were also-rans for years before obtaining (one way or another) a franchise QB. Football is and will always be a team sport, but not all 53 roster spots are equal. To reach contender status in today's NFL, a franchise QB is mandatory and makes up for weaknesses that may exist elsewhere.

[RedskinsRule56]

JeremyRoyce and Absinthe are helping to strengthen my point about the importance of having a franchise QB.

[RedskinsRule56]

2012 Draftable Quarterback Prospects
Player School HT WT 40 Grade
Andrew Luck* Stanford 6-4 235 4.73 99

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft201 ... -prospects

[Red_One43]

That is one reason why this team is dysfunctional.

Last year's team can easily be labeled as dysfunctional. What are you basing dysfunctinalism on this year?

That Beck or Grossman is the QB. Who would you rather have then as QB. McNabb who won't run the offense as it was meant to be? He was part of the dysfunction. Regardless of whose fault, you say it was for McNabb's failure - McNabb who is an improvisor can not function well in this offense. Do you Ponder, Dalton, Gabbert? A long term rookie QBs. Dalton looks horrible so far and fortunately for Ponder and Gabbert they do not have to start. Do you know better than Shanny as to whether these guys are the right QB for this Offense? Do you Orton with his 9 million dollar contract? What are we suposed to do with him if Shanny has his eyes on a college QB for next year's draft. Trade him like Denver did. Who should we have gotten after the lock out? Vince Young? He is tearing it up on the bench in Philly being out played by the 3rd teamer. Marc Bulger? - Retired. Hasselbeck? Stinking it up in Tenessee right now - having trouble learning to the O. Guess whose Offense is also similar to ours besides Houston.

The Shanny's are going to rid out the season with Beck or Grossman. Based on what we got out of the QB position last year, it won't take much to improve on that. Grossman in his three starts matched McNabb', the pro bowler's 13 starts in average per game stats.

Harping over not having a QB makes no sense when the coach has not settled on Beck or Grossman a THE QB - You and a couple of other say he will falter - that's the way YOU CHOOSE to see it - it doesn't make you right. I bet you were one of those guys that said that Grossman would implode in is three starts last year - did for a half in Dallas but get this - he hadn't started a game in how long?

I like how you only post part of my post.

I post only the part that I want you to answer. I am glad that you understand.

Seriously, what has this team done since winning the last super bowl in January of 1992. Nothing. We have been a laughing stock team. Sure we have made the playoffs 3 times and that's it.

This has nothing to do with the team right now.

I'm not going to explain every reason as to why this team is dysfunctional other wise I would be here all night, however ONE REASON, Once again if John Beck starts which I believe he will, Beck will be the 21st different starting QB for this team since 1993. That right there is a problem. We have a revolving door at the QB situation. Look at the Dolphins since Dan Marino retired, look how many years the Falcons were set back after they traded Brett Favre, how about the Bills since Jim Kelly retired, how about the 49ers since Joe Montana and Steve Young retired, I could go on forever, but I'm giving you ONE REASON why this team is and has been dysfunctiona.l

Fair enough, I asked a question and I got an answer. Redskins are dysfunctional in your eyes because if John Beck starts he will be the 21st starting QB since 1993 and that constitutes a revolving door.

Beck has made one start and looked good, so what I am hearing is, if Beck looks good, then it is because it is pre-season and it means nothing. What I suspect I will hear from you if Beck does bad in a preseson game is, I told you so.

I'm not the type of a guy that comes out and says "I told you so" If, I'm right then I keep my mouth shut, and if I'm dead wrong then I will admit that I'm wrong.

Then I misjudged you. My sincere apologies.

Once again I'm not saying the QB situation is the only reason I feel the way I do about this team. No, I'm not sold on John Beck or Rex Grossman for that fact. We have a collection of 2nd and third string QB'S on this roster in my opinion.

I heard loud and clear the first time. You did say that that was one reason. I did remember your 2nd and 3rd stringer post as I read your one reason and it actually stopped me from asking a follow up.

I also believe that out of all the 32 NFL teams, we are one of the weakest teams at the QB situation.

I can see where you get that, but can you see where I get my position - we don't know yet, what Beck can do with this offense. Even you have only seen one game situation with Beck in this offense and 14 of 17 aint' bad against a cover 2 Defense doesn't doesn't allow the deep ball. More important than yardage and winning a preseason game is the fact that Beck managed the game and made no glaring errors.

How can you justify that these 2 clowns are better then McNabb?

Beck or Grossman don't have to have better talent than McNabb. They just have to be better in this offense. Grossman was just as good in stats as McNabb but even better at the tempo of the team. Grossman against a Giant team trying to make the play-offs (14-17) vs McNabb vs the Giants (7-31) early in the season. Head to head. Same team - Grossman out plays McNabb. They both had their turnovers and bone headed decisions in that game, but at least Grossman can say he was blind sided on his two fumbles. McNabb just stood at the line of scrimmage on a roll out with the first down right in front of him and then fumbled when he could find a receiver.

McNabb's resume speaks for itself. Ok, yes McNabb had a bad year, however it wasn't entirely all his fault either, others had also help contribute to his poor season.

You are failing to remember that Andy Reid traded the guy to keep who? Who? Kevin Kolb. And what team is he on? The Cardinals. So, why isn't McNabb still in Philly? I am sure that Reid knows his resume much better than you or me, but yet, he sent McNabb packing.

I mean seriously we gave how many dreadful years to Jason Campbell and yet we give McNabb only one year? If you even call it that. I guess you and I can agree to disagree

McNabb didn't fit this offense. He said so himself. It ws too robotic. Seriously, you did read that article on the thread you had been posting on in Around the League. That article clearly says that the Shannys and McNabb couldn not coexist together. One more year? C'mon Jeremey. It would not have worked any better than last. If you know about McNabb, then you know that he is an improvisor - you do know this right? Kyles' O leaves little room for improv.

[skinsfan#33]

How can you justify that these 2 clowns are better then McNabb? McNabb's resume speaks for itself. Ok, yes McNabb had a bad year, however it wasn't entirely all his fault either, others had also help contribute to his poor season. I mean seriously we gave how many dreadful years to Jason Campbell and yet we give McNabb only one year? If you even call it that. I guess you and I can agree to disagree.

No one is saying Beck our Grossman will be better than McNabb has been throughout his career, what they are saying is it is reasonable to expect QB play as good, if not better than what #5 gave us last year with either of our 2 QBs.

McNabb was a bad fit for this offense. His weaknesses in his game that were displayed over his career are coachable problems, only he didn't want to be coached. Put that on top of his other skills diminishing and you had a QB situation that was getting worse as the season went on and will continue to diminish.

Yes, we are better at qb this year. We know that, because we know Rex outplayed Donny at the end of last year, and if Beck struggles we still have Rex.

[skinsfan#33]

How can you justify that these 2 clowns are better then McNabb? McNabb's resume speaks for itself. Ok, yes McNabb had a bad year, however it wasn't entirely all his fault either, others had also help contribute to his poor season. I mean seriously we gave how many dreadful years to Jason Campbell and yet we give McNabb only one year? If you even call it that. I guess you and I can agree to disagree.

No one is saying Beck our Grossman will be better than McNabb has been throughout his career, what they are saying is it is reasonable to expect QB play as good, if not better than what #5 gave us last year with either of our 2 QBs.

McNabb was a bad fit for this offense. His weaknesses in his game that were displayed over his career are coachable problems, only he didn't want to be coached. Put that on top of his other skills diminishing and you had a QB situation that was getting worse as the season went on and will continue to diminish.

Yes, we are better at qb this year. We know that, because we know Rex outplayed Donny at the end of last year, and if Beck struggles we still have Rex.

[DarthMonk]

How about I play out a hypothetical scenario for everyone. Lets say the Redskins win 7 or even 8 games this season and John Beck/Rex Grossman play ok but clearly are not capable of being a franchise QB. I do feel both will play this year. Grossman has already shown in his previous 9 NFL seasons that he is not a franchise QB. Then we draft Landry Jones in the first round ....................

We might actually win 7 or 8 games. Let's suppose we do. Why on Earth would we draft Landry Jones in the first round - because he's the 2nd or 3rd best college QB that year?

That is absurd.

We'd probably start trading down again.

If it was late into the season and he was hoping we lost the last few for drafting advantage, I could buy into him being a fan with the long-term future at heart

I actually did this at the end of Zorn's last year. Once we were out of it I wanted to be as bad as possible to ensure Vinnie's ouster. Please don't question my fanhood anyone. I have scalped to get into many many games since 1977.

DarthMonk

Ok Darth Monk lets never try to land a franchise QB lets roll out there with Beck and Grossman for the next 5 years.

Huh???

I just ran with YOUR hypothetical and asked why the heck we'd draft Landry Jones.

Have an answer?

Also, I never said I don't want to try to land a franchise QB.

Is this some sort of joke?

That's we all (or almost all) want to know about your strategy.

The Redskins do not need to tank they tank naturally.

This has actually been true for a while. It's the thing about the team Shanny has changed most.

Can't wait to come back in a few hours and read some more of your inanities.

DarthMonk

[langleyparkjoe]

I'm sorry but I can't agree with deliberately losing games just for a better draft pick.

I see we'll get along juuuuust fine Troy!

I'm the blind homer here, we could go 1-15 and during the offseason I'll still be saying superbowl!

[KazooSkinsFan]

You would really like to see the community respond with rational discourse rather than blind homerism

What a stupid post

That was a very efficient way to prove my point.

OK, how's this then. The majority are arguing we might make 8 wins, maybe. We're optimistic. Which you call "blind homerism" in your support of the point we completely suck and will maybe win 2 games. This is an endless ridiculous point brought up by the bashers. No one but Langley is a "blind homer" and not only doesn't he deny it, he's proud of it. Which means really he's a homer and not blind. More power to him. You want to bash the team, fine. But that while you're extreme and the general community isn't, that you call us "blind homers" is...a stupid post... You're a blind hater.

That clear it up for ya?

[KazooSkinsFan]

JeremyRoyce and Absinthe are helping to strengthen my point about the importance of having a franchise QB.

Gotcha, the rest of us don't think a franchise quarterback is important. That's the discussion, if we need a franchise quarterback or not. What a stupid post.

[redskinz4ever]

LOSING for draft positioning is absurd and for a player who might or might NOT be the next coming of super qb.

[langleyparkjoe]

You would really like to see the community respond with rational discourse rather than blind homerism

What a stupid post

That was a very efficient way to prove my point.

OK, how's this then. The majority are arguing we might make 8 wins, maybe. We're optimistic. Which you call "blind homerism" in your support of the point we completely suck and will maybe win 2 games. This is an endless ridiculous point brought up by the bashers. No one but Langley is a "blind homer" and not only doesn't he deny it, he's proud of it. Which means really he's a homer and not blind. More power to him. You want to bash the team, fine. But that while you're extreme and the general community isn't, that you call us "blind homers" is...a stupid post... You're a blind hater.

That clear it up for ya?

Yea just to add to what Kazzo said, saying 8 wins is really a realistic view when you think about it. Last year we won 6 games while being totally disorganized and undisciplined, this year we can already see improvements with younger players and even some young vets from other teams. That alone with chemistry and consistent game play should get us 2 more wins. If you look @ the schedule they're some teams on there that I truely believe we will beat; Cardinals/Rams/Panthers/Bills/49ers/Dolphins/Seattle/Vikings. Look, there's 8 teams listed already. Now add the NFC East "split" (meaning 1-1) and that's 3 more wins. If 8-8 is someone being a blind homer than what the heck am I?