absinthe1023 wrote:Wow. What a rant from Red One. I had no intention of getting you that worked up. You may want to consider increasing your Geodon dose, or perhaps add in a trazodone at bedtime.
Sorry, you can't take credit for getting me worked up. I haven't let loose on these boards in a while. It was a good time to do it. Can't increase what I don't take, so your advice is not helpful.
I will attempt to respond to your wild emotional outburst in a thoughtful manner.
Thank you for the compliment. I fully admit to be an emotional fan - perhaps you might want to take into consideration there are many fans on these boards who are devoted to the Redskins and will not sit back and read someone bashing their team on a message board for their team. You are welcome to criticize, but be responsible or you will reap what you sow.
Nobody is criticizing your "realism." The criticism is that you want to
defend extremist posts of someone saying things as absurd as "tanking" a season and rooting against their team
AS opinions. When in fact, those were incinerating opinions which deserved the response that they got.
What George Allen did so long ago is irrelevant in today's NFL. The overall level of sophistication in the league is too high to allow that type of approach to succeed. Look no further than recent Redskin history.
Football is still said to be 90% mental - What George did is very relevant today.
What you call "negativity" I call realism. We can agree to disagree.
What I call negativity is bashing without backing it up with facts and making up stuff to support extremist positions. So no, this is not a agree to diagree. You want to paint me as a blind homer, but I did just my homework on what the Redskins have done to improve this team and homework on the breakdown of last season. Much of it is posted on these boards, We can agree to disagree on the interpretation of such information.
This isn't about blind homerism vs realism (interesting that your view is the realist) - On this thread, this is about extreme bashing and you calling this bashing, an opinion and then telling us that we shouldn't do it (btw- that part is the crying). If you want to be a peacemaker, then talk to both sides.
I don't think I (or RR or JRoyce) are crying.
Take it from me, I cried on this board before because I felt that I got persoanally attacked. Another poster said stop crying and repost the thing. At first, I wasn't going to, but then I read my post defending myself. That was crying (I define crying as whining that folks are posting in an unfair manner). I reposted and now accept that what I post is fair game and that it is
my responsibility to back up what I post. I read your posts defending RR -
you and Jeremey and RR are crying. At least I admitted it and took responsibilty for what I post. Perahps instead of defending such extremism, you should
encourage RR to move to your "realism," so that we can have a peaceful discussion of verying opinions on the spectrum.
I also never suggested tanking. In fact, I said that it could never occur on a NFL team. Please reread my posts if you think I said throwing a season is a viable (or even possible) option.
Of course you didn't. That is why I put the disclaimer "OR." Since that may have unfairly lumped you with RR, then I now acknowledge that you didn't say that.
"Guys like you spew pure negative (OR at least defend someone who does) about OUR team." Your examples of Harrison and Brady are the exceptions that prove the rule. Drafting well and knowing when to get rid of talent and when to augment your base of draftees with key FAs seems to be the key to the modern NFL. To return to your examples: do you advocate obtaining OLBs only as UDFAs and QBs in only the 6th round, since Harrison and Brady were obtained that way?
Check out the whole Super Bowl Steeler and Packer rosters and see how few studs were drafted and see how many players were homegrown and developed into studs. It is more than just Brady and Harrison. Check out my "How to Build a Winning Franchise" in the General MAnagers section - I did the work for you.
Also, the number of Pro Bowlers on a team is not indicative of talent. Hopefully, you understand that. The Pro Bowl voting process is nothing more than a popularity contest.
Nothing more ... really? Tell that to Orakpo, Hall and any other Pro Bowler that you might run into. That it is nothing more. Tell that to Fletcher that it is nothing more. Sure All -Pro is the better designator - but even that is subjective. My point is simple here - the best talented teams do not always win. That is a consensus agreement in the sports world. So how do you, personally, determine talent? When the team makes it to the Super Bowl, suddenly everyone is talented? Tell me - how do you? Stats. Ben doesn't have the top stats. He was MVP of a Super Bowl with lousy stats.
Now, is there any way to discuss this topic rationally and without hurling personal insults?
Realism - - I think the Redskins will go 2-14 and here is why ..... I hope that we get Luck as a result. - That is realism.
Even this emotional DIE HARD - BLEEDING HEART - with BURGUNDY AND GOLD BLOOD, NATIVE TEXAN, REDSKIN fan can accept responsible criticism of the team I love and accept that there are fans that don't feel the way that I do.
This is extremism - Let's tank the season for Luck. I will root against the the Redskins. Making up facts to justify opinions and then complaining when someone meets the extremist posts head on.
I will not sit back passively and watch this - I tried, but it's too much fun to pass it by. If RR wants to continue posts his stuff, fine, but stop crying about it when your fanhood is questioned. You post extremist stuff, you get extremist stuff in return.
So much for having the most talent. 
+1 
ey, Brian Orakpo, Laron Landry, Trent Williams', etc etc etc careers.
