What was that?

Raised2BeARedskin · Post by **Raised2BeARedskin** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:04 am

Yeah...I think Ramsey played a heck of a game. OK, so he literally threw the game away...doesn't make me like him any less. I would HATE to see him go! He is a walking cannon, he is big, he is getting more mobile, and he is getting smarter. I am sold on his leadership abilities as well. Ramsey is still in the building stages. I remember telling everyone in the last Philly game "he is starting off with hitch passes to get a foundation built and get more comftorable"...well guess what? Ramsey is almost complete!

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:18 am

Raised2BeARedskin wrote:Yeah...I think Ramsey played a heck of a game. OK, so he literally threw the game away...doesn't make me like him any less. I would HATE to see him go! He is a walking cannon, he is big, he is getting more mobile, and he is getting smarter. I am sold on his leadership abilities as well. Ramsey is still in the building stages. I remember telling everyone in the last Philly game "he is starting off with hitch passes to get a foundation built and get more comftorable"...well guess what? Ramsey is almost complete!

Exactly, I know people are mad but talking down on him is ridiculous. That one play did not cost us the game. How about the penalties, the play calling, the time management? He made some good plays and showed A LOT of growth. Its like people are expecting him to play error free games, have you forgotten last year? Have you forgotten how many DUMB plays he'd make in one game? Now he's down to 1 or 2 and he's the worst QB ever.

AT LEAST he gives us a chance to win a game. Brunell didn't even give us a glimmer of hope. We need to stick with him because we can't afford another overpaid worthless QB because we already have Brunell.

Raised2BeARedskin · Post by **Raised2BeARedskin** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:33 am

How about the missed field goal? Don't forget that one!!

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:36 am

You go for the score when you can and have faith in your defense. You know, that defense that held the Eagles in check pretty much all game?

With the wind as crazy as it was in that game I wouldn't be surprised if it pushed that pass down a little.

Raised2BeARedskin · Post by **Raised2BeARedskin** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:42 am

The commentators said the wind was very calm. They also said John Hall was VERY rusty in the pre-game warm-ups.

General Failure · Post by **General Failure** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:44 am

Suzy Kolber said the wind was swirling. I tend to believe the chick on the sideline with her hair whipping all over instead of the drunk in the booth. Especially when the flags on the uprights were going nuts all game.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:03 am

Raised2BeARedskin wrote:The commentators said the wind was very calm. They also said John Hall was VERY rusty in the pre-game warm-ups.

They were also idiots!!!!! Well, mostly Paul Maguire.

skinsfan1 · Post by **skinsfan1** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 10:46 am

They were also idiots!!!!! Well, mostly Paul Maguire.

I was saying the same thing NC, I hated the way they would snicker and laugh when they would comment on the skins. To them i say.. Monkey

tnathan · Post by **tnathan** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:05 am

anybody see the post-game interview with ramsey? looked like he was about to cry. i say, cut the guy a break. played a heck of a game, kept things together. a bad call, a terrible pass. it happens. he's not there yet... and neither is the team. in the post game, a reporter said "what were you trying to do with that pass in the fourth?" and ramsey replied "i was trying to throw a touchdown." True enough. kid's trying to win the game. and gibbs showed some confidence in him.
if we don't change too much in the offseason, we've got a shot at a pretty good team.

NC43Hog · Post by **NC43Hog** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:15 am

"What doesn't kill you makes you stronger." We will be a stronger team next year!

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:38 am

anybody see the post-game interview with ramsey? looked like he was about to cry. i say, cut the guy a break.

Agreed. On to the next game.

THE interception shows why Gibbs has doubts about Ramsey, and shows where Ramsey has to improve. (I said this on one thread...maybe this one, but, to repeat) The offense gives the QB more than one option. Gibbs calls the play, but does not choose which receiver Ramsey throws to.

It was a bad choice. Maybe the ball slipped...maybe he meant to fire it high and out of bounds, but it did a Kilmer-duck-flap. I don't know.

I do know that Ramsey is the QB we have, and I do hope that he improves his in-the-moment decision-making.

That is, any of us can look at a picture of the play and think of the perfect choice, but the QB has to see it all at fuill-speed, real-time, and know the right play withoiut thinking about it.

That's one area where Ramsey has to improve. I like his throwing.

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The second area is leadership. When things start to crack apart, when the game has come down to a last few plays and the offensive players are wild with adrenalin, thje QB has to gather them and lead them.

That's the second area where Ramsey needs to improve. Maybe that's just experience...we'll see.

FatPat · Post by **FatPat** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 12:34 pm

Everybody keeps saying he had options on that play i think otherwise. If you watch the play again there were only 3 guys out in the pass pattern (Cooley, DMac and Portis) and Cool

ey and Dmac both ran to the same part of the endzone, cooley ran a corner and Dmac ran a post pattern (neither were going to be open).

Unfortunately the eagles did not come with a blitz so they had 7 guys covering 3...with that said and knowing that was the situation Ramsey should have thrown the ball somewhere in the 3rd row. He needs to see that the safeties (Lewis or Dawkins) were not near the line of scrimmage its almost as if the eagles knew we were trying to fool them with the heavy jumbo look (which we run out of 9/10 times). Its gonna be something ramsey learns from in terms of reading the defense pre-snap. just my read on the play...

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:39 pm

first, ramsey's throw was almost out of the end zone. dawkins had to make a great grab, one so close that it had to be reviewed. and it was not a duck; it was a fairly tight spiral.

next, it looked to me like cooly was supposed to be in the corner of the end zone, but held up after his break because the corner back was in his way. if pushes through the dback and gets to the corner, who knows who catches that ball.

lastly, if it weren't for ramsey making some pretty sweet throws, many of which were after he stepped up in the pocket to avoid pressure, this game ends with a score of 17-7. from what i saw, ramsey played a nearly perfect game. i'm not sure what more anyone can expect from a quarterback who is still evolving.

tnathan · Post by **tnathan** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 1:49 pm

joebagadonuts wrote:from what i saw, ramsey played a nearly perfect game. i'm not sure what more anyone can expect from a quarterback who is still evolving.

I agree. 30.46, 246 yards, 1 Int (granted, a costly one). We all wish that ball hadn't been thrown. might have actually won the game. Deserved to, in my opinion. But let's give Ramsey his credit. you know who else has had lousy throws like that? Favre. He shouldn't have done it, but he played a heck of a game, managing the offense, making good throws, and he's getting a great connection with Cool

ey. A lot of bright spots. If our season had started, say, last week, i'd think we have a pretty solid team.
How about this, guys. Next season started last week... let's win out and start strong for a playoff push in 05.

welch · Post by **welch** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:31 pm

I, too, think that Ramsey played well, except for a few spots. The interception was one: it was not close to being out of the endzone, and the only reason the Eagles almost bobbled it was that they were fighting each other for the ball. I mentioned the "Kilmer" because I thought that maybe Ramsey didn't intend to put the ball at that spot.

Other rough plays were some passes -- shown on TV replay -- when Ramsey didn't see an open receiver. One was Portis, short, ijn the middle, with no Eagles in view, on the end-of-the-half pass to Cool

ey. Ramsey could have gained a lot by dumping to Portis, rather than making a perfect throw to Cool

ey.

Second was a throw away when he had Coles (?) open directly under the ball.

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Overall, Ramsey throws well, but he doesn't seem to straighten out the offense when they begin to get disorganized. I hope he's growing into leadership. We'll see.

Raised2BeARedskin · Post by **Raised2BeARedskin** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:45 pm

FINALLY! People are starting to lighten up on Ramsey! I really believe he is the next Ryp...with time he will be a Super Bowl MVP!

Steve Spurrier III · Post by **Steve Spurrier III** » Mon Dec 13, 2004 3:54 pm

Well the Redskins are currently looking at a top ten pick, although that could change. If we are on the board and Leinart or Rodgers are still on the board (unlikely, but concievable that one slips), do you take him?

I still think Ramsey can be the guy, but if Leinart or Rodgers is there I wouldn't pass him up. However, I would take Mike Williams before I took a Kyle Orton...