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SI.com article about Gibbs

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Struggling savior
If Skins' Joe Gibbs isn't having second thoughts, perhaps he should


In case you hadn't noticed, the returning hero routine isn't going so well for Joe Gibbs in Washington. It's apparently tougher to be a savior for the Redskins than any of us realize.

If you're scoring at home, the Redskins are now 3-6 (.333) under Gibbs, 15-26 (.366) from the start of 2002 on (the Steve Spurrier and Gibbs eras), 24-36 (.400) in the 60 games since owner Daniel Snyder ran Norv Turner out of town with three weeks remaining in the 2000 season, and 25-40 (.385) since mid-season of 2000, when Washington was 6-2 and appeared to be sailing to a second consecutive playoff appearance.

That's about the point when Snyder, with that impeccable reverse Midas touch of his, decided that Jeff George should take over for Brad Johnson as the Redskins' starting quarterback.

All Johnson had done was go 11-7 as the team's starter in 1999, leading Washington to its first playoff berth since 1992, and won six of his first nine starts in 2000, when the Redskins' grotesquely overpaid roster featured the likes of free-agent has-beens Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith and Mark Carrier. As a starter in Washington, Johnson was 17-10 at that point, a .630 winning percentage. To repeat, the Redskins have played less than .400 ball since benching Johnson, and finished at .500 or below every season.

Come to think of it, maybe what the Redskins have been dealing with the past four-plus years is the Curse of Brad Johnson.

Nah, it's just Snyder's plain and simple old incompetence.

On Sunday, the Redskins were beaten 17-10 at home by Cincinnati, which happens to be coached by Marvin Lewis. Snyder, of course, had several cracks to hire Lewis as his head coach. He could have done it after the 2000 season, when Lewis served as Baltimore's defensive coordinator and helped the Ravens to the Super Bowl title, and he could have done it in early 2002, when he lured Lewis away from Baltimore to be Washington's defensive coordinator.

But that wouldn't have been splashy enough for Snyder, who was too busy hiring the likes of Marty Schottenheimer and then Spurrier as his head coach to notice that Lewis might be a much cheaper and wiser alternative. Lewis already had a successful first season with the Bengals under his belt by the time Snyder cranked up his hype machine last winter and landed Gibbs as his latest blockbuster coaching hire.

But now even the coup of restoring Gibbs to the sidelines after an 11-year absence looks dubious. Despite Gibbs' pedigree for offensive genius, the Redskins rank 31st in scoring (125 points, just two ahead of hapless Miami), and their quarterback situation proves that two wrongs don't make a right. It's finally Patrick Ramsey's turn to take over for the humiliated Mark Brunell, but you get the feeling that there are no quick fixes coming in D.C.

If Gibbs comes back for another fun-filled year in Washington -- and after the mini-drama that was the Spurrier denouement, I don't think anything's a lock -- I'd be willing to bet that he requires further assistance on the personnel side of the front office in 2005. With nary a Bobby Beathard or Charley Casserly in sight, Gibbs has smiled and said all the right things about the decision-making team of himself, Sndyer and vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato being up to the job. But who's kidding whom?

With the leveling effects of the salary cap, coaching in the NFL is much tougher in 2004 than it was in 1992, and Gibbs needs help. First-rate help. Since you can't fire the owner, that spells trouble for Cerrato's tenure, or at least his assignment near the top of the Redskins management flow chart.

As one veteran front office executive in the league told me last week: "Vinny's a disaster, and Joe needs somebody in personnel who can help him get quality players. I think Gibbs was flabbergasted at the change in the league since he last coached, and the effect of not having Beathard, Casserly or (former Redskins owner) Jack Kent Cooke surrounding him. I don't know if he was prepared for the reality of how the league is today.

"The players have changed since Joe last coached. You have to put up with more. I don't know whether at his age (63), he's willing to tolerate fools. You get less so the older you are. It'd be a shocker, but if things get real bad and start falling apart, I could see him citing his health concerns and walking away after this season. He already looks like the job is wearing him down.''

Has it really already come to that kind of speculation in Washington? Wasn't it just the other day we were arguing about whether Spurrier would return for Year 3 in old D.C.? As absurd as it sounds to be discussing Gibbs' future, with the change-happy Redskins, you never say never.

It's too early to tell how the 2004 story in Washington will end. But if that long-shot scenario comes true, and the second Gibbs era ends after one desultory season, Redskins fans will have only one common denominator to point to in the whole, sorry five-year saga: Snyder. The owner who just can't seem to win for losing.

Here is the whole article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/don_banks/11/15/banks.shots/index.html

I know this should get some people worked up. I can't stand some of these journalists who think they know everything. :explode:
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Sorry about the double post...I don't know what happened.
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yup, just more uniformed media people writing a story because they got pages to fill. It sure would be nice if one of these guys actually did their homework...
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Post by SkinsLaVar »

Joe Gibbs is a pimp. He'll find a way to save them. He has 4 more years, like the president. Besides, how much did they pay him?
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I may not be happy with all his decisions, but I am not calling for him to hit the road. He can now evaluate how Ramsey plays and determine if we are going to keep him or try to pick up a QB from FA or the draft.

While I admit that a rookie QB is a BIG risk, sometimes you get lucky as all get out and get a guy who can actually start right away and get the job done.
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Re: SI.com article about Gibbs

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ArmyHog wrote:Despite Gibbs' pedigree for offensive genius, the Redskins rank 31st in scoring (125 points, just two ahead of hapless Miami)


All I can say is wow! :o :(
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Post by John Manfreda »

Is he saying Marvin is better than Gibbs this guy is an idiot. Coaches aren't going to turn it around right away it takes and devolopment.
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Wow, did Snyder sleep with this guy's sister or something? He sounds so bitter...
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Post by kkryan »

I am sick of these articles. We will have a good team once the qb starts playing better. The d is solid. The running game is 15th even though the opposing team knows we are running. The oline could be better. Gimme a break...that article should be written about the debacle in big d!!
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Post by Skinsfan55 »

Why do we disagree with this article again?

Dan Snyder is dumb, and we should have Marvin Lewis as the head coach.

Football is not a flashy game, making a big splash wins you the headlines, not football games. I for one am tired of Snyder's incompetence, and I would like to see him hire a general manager and get the hell out of his way!
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Post by SkinsBigtime »

cvillehog wrote:Wow, did Snyder sleep with this guy's sister or something? He sounds so bitter...


Hahah! ROTFALMAO

Since when did 9 games determine that Gibbs would never be able to coach well again? This guy is a complete idiot. I hate when people bring up some obscure stats that always detriment my skins. Like during gametime, they'll put some stat that says:

"Every time the skins are losing by 14 at the end of the 3rd quarter, in Fed-ex field, playing in 70 degrees, in 60% humidity they lose 90% of the time."

I hate obscure stats. Like all that non-sense about the skins losing in the past three years. That has nothing to do about this season what-so-ever. Gibbs is back, and he knows how to manage, even though he is 63. Yes the skins are 3-6, but our defense has played outstanding! Not to mention Portis playing at all-star caliber. Sometimes I wonder if I can get a job at SI by writing critical non-sense filled with inane and obscure stats that say nothing but a pile of monkey poop about a struggling team, such as the Redskins. (Sorry, I'm all flustered now. . . :explode: )
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Post by welch »

Sometimes I wonder if I can get a job at SI
...Right. This is a fill-in-the-blanks article.

Let's write about the Redskins, so:

- have a laugh at Snyder for <any number of mistakes>. As if we didn't know already.

- mention that Joe Gibbs has been out of the NFL for 11 seasons (deep insight...)

- say he's old (yes...63...ancient)

- say that Gibbs is out of touch with today's players (the players in '92 were so different!)

- quote anonymous NFL GM-equivalent that Gibbs needs a GM.(Yeah...so?)

I wish my job could be as easy as this writer's job.
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