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being a WASHINGTON REDSKIN FAN ???? i for one am sick and tried of EVERYONE saying this guy is or is not a SKINS fan.get over it !!! EVERYONE on this site is a SKINS fan !!! except the ones who pull for OTHER teams.
so please EVERYONE PLEASE GROW UP !!!!we are all pulling for the same team we just have different ways of expressing how we feel ....NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG .
there i feel better now and i hope everyone understands where i'm coming from. REDSKINZ4EVER !!!!!!!!! 8) 8) :wink: My 2 cents HTTR
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Amen to that
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McCarthy-like paranoia...that's all it is.
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redskinz4ever wrote:so please EVERYONE PLEASE GROW UP !!!!we are all pulling for the same team we just have different ways of expressing how we feel ....NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG .


Thank you! I'm glad someone posted this.

I RARELY EVER leave a game early but when I do, does it make me less of a fan? No. I didn't leave early yesterday. Ok, there were 5 seconds to go but still...

I have been a Skins fan since day 1 and no one should try to make me feel like less of a fan just because I am dissapointed in the play of my team.
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Jake wrote:
redskinz4ever wrote:so please EVERYONE PLEASE GROW UP !!!!we are all pulling for the same team we just have different ways of expressing how we feel ....NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG .


Thank you! I'm glad someone posted this.

I RARELY EVER leave a game early but when I do, does it make me less of a fan? No. I didn't leave early yesterday. Ok, there were 5 seconds to go but still...

I have been a Skins fan since day 1 and no one should try to make me feel like less of a fan just because I am dissapointed in the play of my team.
i'm just sick of everyone questioning everyone's support and loyality to OUR team the WASHINGTON REDSKINS !!!!! REDSKINZ4EVER !!!!!!!!!
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Go Skins! And, go Skins fans! ;)
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It's like the Patriot Act...

Wait a minute, you don't like the Patriot Act?!?! you must be unpatriotic! and if you're unpatriotic you're a terrorist all of a sudden.

I guess it's human nature or something.
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Skinsfan55 wrote:It's like the Patriot Act...

Wait a minute, you don't like the Patriot Act?!?! you must be unpatriotic! and if you're unpatriotic you're a terrorist all of a sudden.

I guess it's human nature or something.
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How is bitching about people bitching any different than bitching? :hmm:

If it's someone's right to support their team however they see fit, then it is equally someone else's right to express how they feel about HOW other people support the team.

There are fans that only support 'winning' franchises... but will switch teams at some point or many points in their life. There's no way that person is equal in 'fandom' to the fan who sticks through a team through thick and thin.

'Fan' is an abbreviated form of 'fanatic'... which is defined as follows: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion ... see those last 3 words... that means that while fans ARE fans... not everyone who cheers for a team is a truly a 'fan'.

Not judging ANYONE here... colloquialism may have lessened the definition of the word, but IMO, it should still be used in the spirit of fanatic.

So I guess I think that not everyone is a fanatic... some people are just fans. :hmm: :wink:


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What about people who think they are better fans because they are older?
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What kind of fans are you for questioning other poeple who question what kind of fans you are?
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Who said anything about 'better'?

Although some fans ARE better fans that are older... but it is not BECAUSE they're older. Someone like Welch who has such a wealth of knowledge, experience and history that DOES come largely from how long he has been ardently supporting the team deserves to be recognized as someone that is 'more of a fan' than some guy who switched to cheering for Washington this year because he had a lot of Clinton portis cards. I'm not saying that makes the latter any less of a person, but it does make him less of a FAN... which is what we are talking about.

Not everyone who supports a team is a true fanatic... I'm just saying that I think there ARE levels of fanaticism. Some people sulk to work all week when the Skins lose... some just shrug it off and look forward to the next contest. I'm not judging either person... but I think they represent different levels of how much your support of a team penetrates your lifestyle. A fanatic eats, sleeps and breathes it... age has no bearing. HOWEVER... a fan does earn his stripes as he goes along... the longer your tenure, the more global your team knowledge, the more you improve your salt as a fan.

As I said... no judgements here... if you've evr donned a Redskin shirt or hummed Hail to the Redskins... you're a friend of mine right out of the gate.
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I don't think the distinction is between a "johnny-come-lately" fan and someone who has been a fan his whole life, but is merely younger.

And, trust me, people have been calling people out as not being true fans, right or wrong. And there is a lot of talk about how old people are whenever they say something in search of hope for improvement during this season. Even if they say those things with an eye towards improvement season-to-season.
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yeah, but it's usually brought up when people are talking smack about Joe Gibbs. Because if you are younger and weren't around for Gibbs first tenure, then you don't know who he is. That's why people bring up age.

I'm an intelligent guy who is pretty easy going most times. I was devestated when Gibbs retired to say the least. I kept hoping and thinking that he would come back. Years passed. I finally gave up hope. The Skins were the new Cardinals. Then a bright light shone thru the fog. Is that...it can't be...wtf...It's..It's..It's...Is that you Coach? HE'S BACK!

Gibbs is back. He's righting the ship. It's very evident. Is it happening this season, are we going to the superbowl? No, of course not. Are we 5 or so plays away from 6-3 or 7-2? We sure are. We are very close.

For some odd reason, when somebody starts bashing my hero, my reason for being here in the first place, my, I mean OUR savior, THE man that will get us out of this losing tradition, well, it sorta gets under my skin a wee bit.

I don't care if it's a pukes fan, a Skins fan, or a media guy. If your talking smack about my boy Gibby, there is gonna be heck to pay mister :nana:
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Some people have a very, very loose definition of what "talking smack" about Gibbs is and isn't.

I may not be old enough to remember much about the first two Superbowls, but I still take offense at being labeled "just a kid" when I make thought-out, well-reasoned, posts trying to postulate a reason why Brunell was still in after stinking it up so much.

I'm old enough to be a father of two, so I'm old enough not to be belittled for thinking Gibbs made a mistake.

Do you guys think Gibbs never made a mistake in his first tenure?
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redskinz4ever wrote:being a WASHINGTON REDSKIN FAN ???? i for one am sick and tried of EVERYONE saying this guy is or is not a SKINS fan.get over it !!! EVERYONE on this site is a SKINS fan !!! except the ones who pull for OTHER teams.
so please EVERYONE PLEASE GROW UP !!!!we are all pulling for the same team we just have different ways of expressing how we feel ....NO ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG .
there i feel better now and i hope everyone understands where i'm coming from. REDSKINZ4EVER !!!!!!!!! 8) 8) :wink: My 2 cents HTTR


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i still say that you should not question anyone about their team loyality !! My 2 cents and thats ....THAT !!! :-#
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redskinz4ever wrote:i still say that you should not question anyone about their team loyality !! My 2 cents and thats ....THAT !!! :-#


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What about people who think they are better fans because they are older?


There's no such thing as a 'better' fan because one person is older than another fan. There is however, a fan that can be called a fan in the truest sense of the word because of his/her experiences over the course of an extended period of time. There are several of them on this board that can claim that label. TCWest comes to mind, among others.

It has nothing to do with age though, it has everything to do with a persons definition of the word fan. In this instance, Jake comes to mind. That guy could probably out talk half if not all of this board on the Redskins. He has a great perception of the word fan. Kudos to him for his support of the Redskins. We need more fans like him.
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Because....they are not winning the original debate so they flee to their ace card, Which is your love for Gibbs


That sounds like a smack talk request if I ever saw one. Take it to smack, if you have the cojones.
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JPFair wrote:
What about people who think they are better fans because they are older?


There's no such thing as a 'better' fan because one person is older than another fan. There is however, a fan that can be called a fan in the truest sense of the word because of his/her experiences over the course of an extended period of time. There are several of them on this board that can claim that label. TCWest comes to mind, among others.

It has nothing to do with age though, it has everything to do with a persons definition of the word fan. In this instance, Jake comes to mind. That guy could probably out talk half if not all of this board on the Redskins. He has a great perception of the word fan. Kudos to him for his support of the Redskins. We need more fans like him.


This from one of the ones going around telling people they are "true" fans. :roll:
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BossHog wrote:'Fan' is an abbreviated form of 'fanatic'... which is defined as follows: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion ... see those last 3 words... that means that while fans ARE fans... not everyone who cheers for a team is a truly a 'fan'.


I agree with you very much on this point, Boss. At times, there is a true sense of belonging when you support a team or a coach to the bitter end--even when (and especially if) you know that he/they aren't the ones that are going to do it. Kind of like standing on board the Titanic, holding a firm salute, as she plunges into icy waters. You know, stiff upper lip and all that; Skins always: right or wrong; I'll watch every painful moment because I'd rather have that than nothing; and the such. I personally feel that having an even unquestioning confidence in the Skins is an admirable trait. That's why every year, at the beginning of the season, I endure my friends laughing at me because I honestly predict that the Skins will make it to the playoffs/superbowl. And I mean it: every year.


Now, having said that, a few disclaimers.


Obviously, I, like BH, am not judging anyone with my comments. This is a thread that is poking at what it is to be a fan. I happen to think that unwavering, and even unquestioning, devotion to the team, including their bad decisions, is admirable--this is why I am the fan that I am. Yes, it means that I was one of the guys who was actually a little--and I mean slightly disappointed when Spurrier resigned (but I got over that rather quickly). It also means I was standing by Gibbs' decision to play Brunell till the moment Patrick came in. Yeah, I look like a dumb sheep. But that's what I choose--I find it the more noble path.


I'd rather be the guy nursing his beer verrry slowly when the clock has expired and the Skins have lost, blank stare on the face and the week surely ruined. I like being that guy who still believes even when its stupid to do so. I like believing that Brunell could do it coming into Sunday's game.

Others disagree--anyone could see that just by reading more than one post on this board. Everyone is entitled to being a fan the way that they wish. I don't think myself better than anyone, and I think myself probably worse than most. If I live to have half the knowledge, patience, and wisdom of welch, I could die a happy Skins fan. That's just my My 2 cents on why I choose to support the Skins the way that I do.
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This from one of the ones going around telling people they are "true" fans


*sigh* Yet another one!
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I'm on the same (sinking?) ship as FanfromAnnapolis and JP.

My week is made or not by how we play each week. I look forward each week to the next game and hope we will play like the Redskins should play. Where is Diron Talbert and Pat Fisher?

I am sorry that others do not enjoy this team as it gets back to being the respected team it used to be. Where are the hogs and the fun bunch?

For me it's not just about the winning and losing but that we are a team that is competitive every week.

I remember the great Redskins teams and that is what I am waiting for. That is the team that Joe will bring back here.

There are a lot of fans who see the potential in both the players on the field and the sidelines and want to know why are we not playing the "best" players available? Joe will choose the players that he thinks will get us back.

We are very lucky to have a quality coach like this and he has to be allowed to do it his way.

I am not blind, I can see the results already. We are getting back to the top and I will be there through all the agony and the ecstasy.
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What you are all missing is that we all express our fandom in different ways. We all live and die by the team, we just don't all practice the deism brand of fandom as you.

If we weren't fans, we wouldn't care enough to get upset about it.

What about that is confusing?
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