Ramsey's performance?

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:44 pm

Okay, I know we don't want a ton of Ramsey vs. Brunell threads... but this is just a pro Ramsey thread, and since I didn't see one posted... here goes.

1.) What happened to Brunell? Injury or did Gibbs just smell the coffee and decide to give Ramsey his shot? I couldn't follow the game I've been doing homework all day.

2.) According to the Box Score Ramsey didn't exactly blow our skirts up (only 48% of passes were completed, 2 INT) but he DID complete 18 passes, most of which were in the 2nd half. He also threw for 200+ yards and a touchdown. All I can see is stats... but what about the human perspective? How did Ramsey look in the pocket? Comfortable? Confused? Did he audible at all? Were recievers just dropping passes or was he just not making the good throws?

3.) Why's we stop running Portis? Tim concerns, just giving Ramsey a chance to show what he has?

One thing's for sure, it's sure nice to see him as the #1 QB.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:52 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Okay, I know we don't want a ton of Ramsey vs. Brunell threads... but this is just a pro Ramsey thread, and since I didn't see one posted... here goes.

1.) What happened to Brunell? Injury or did Gibbs just smell the coffee and decide to give Ramsey his shot? I couldn't follow the game I've been doing homework all day.

2.) According to the Box Score Ramsey didn't exactly blow our skirts up (only 48% of passes were completed, 2 INT) but he DID complete 18 passes, most of which were in the 2nd half. He also threw for 200+ yards and a touchdown. All I can see is stats... but what about the human perspective? How did Ramsey look in the pocket? Comfortable? Confused? Did he audible at all? Were recievers just dropping passes or was he just not making the good throws?

3.) Why's we stop running Portis? Tim concerns, just giving Ramsey a chance to show what he has?

One thing's for sure, it's sure nice to see him as the #1 QB.

1. Gibbs smelled the coffee because Brunell stunk.

2. Ramsey was thrown into the wolves and struggle a bit. He fought thru it and showed well in the 4th QTR.

3.We fell behind. They were picking our defense apart. I heard C Griffin went down.

We need a pass rush and it would be nice to have a Lavar in there.

We needed a fumble or two so Ramsey could show more of his stuff.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:53 pm

We didn't run the ball early, and we Mark at QB we feel behind quickly. Mark threw a lot in the first quarter (until Gibbs had seen enough) Gibbs pulled him... no injury to him just to the team.
Ramsey came in the game with us down 17-0 and his 2nd Int was at the end of the game with 5 seconds left so it really didn't matter.
Ramsey gave the team hope and they stayed in the game til the end.

1fan4ramsey · Post by **1fan4ramsey** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 8:53 pm

Not so sure you'll see Ramsey starting next week though.

hkHog · Post by **hkHog** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:02 pm

1. Maybe it was Brunell's 0.0 passer rating?

2. He had to knock off the rust, he played better at the end of the game.

3. No idea, just keep giving him the ball. The "we were down by 17" explaination is not valid. We were down by 17 only 20 minutes into the game and he's our best player and our entire offense. The problem is we never started giving him the ball at the begining of the game. Instead Gibbs stubbornly tried to prove that Brunell wasn't washed up. Just look at this stat (which I posted in another thread):

Avg yds per pass - 3.5

Avg yds per Portis rush - 4.8

Now that just shows how rediculous it is for this team not to run the ball on every play until about 5 minutes from the end of the game. This also would have eased Ramsey in there a bit and opened up our passing. I say that it's just bad play calling, there is nothing else to it.

John Manfreda · Post by **John Manfreda** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:05 pm

Ramsey played well he just needed to get warmed up. He showed that if we started Ramsey the whole time we would be a much better team. He played well and a lot better than Brunell. Ramsey is the better Qb

Skinsfan55 · Post by **Skinsfan55** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:07 pm

Hopefully we'll see ole cannonarm (Ramsey) starting next week too... if we win every game from here on out can we still make the playoffs?

PhillyPhanInDC · Post by **PhillyPhanInDC** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:08 pm

Not sure what the deal was in that game. Was it part of Gibbs coaching plan to trick the worst run defense in football by throwing it instead of running it down their throats? The first 3 plays were passing plays. I watched the entire game, and was baffled. I think if Portis had 25+ carries, the whole game would have looked different. Ramsey looked great, when compared to Brunell anyway. He is lucky he only came away with two picks, I can remember at least three other passes that should have picked off. At least two hit the defender right in the numbers. I wouldn't call getting put in against a sorry (statistically) defense being thrown to the wolves necessarily. If he was going to replace Brunell in any game, I bet he would have picked it to be against the Bengals. I think Ramsey will calm down some, and start to make smarter throws, but I also think this game is evidence that the 'Skins current record isn't due solely to the QB spot. I was not surprised in the fourth quarter when the 'Skins seemed to come alive, they needed a spark and they got it. Unfortunately it was not enough given the time. Given all of this, do I think you would have won that game had Ramsey started? Probably not. But things are starting to look up for you guys. If he does get the start, I think he'll only get better. If Brunell gets put back in, it'll be one of the strangest coaching calls in recent history IMO. Hard loss guys, good luck the rest of the way.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:27 pm

I heard that during the press conference after the game, Gibbs said Ramsey will start next week. He said that they got a good look at Brunell and now it's time to get a good look at Ramsey.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:28 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Hopefully we'll see ole cannonarm (Ramsey) starting next week too... if we win every game from here on out can we still make the playoffs?

The giants lost today. We need Dallas or Phili to lose. :mrgreen:

Its still pretty even. Da Bears have changeed things a bit though

SkinzCanes · Post by **SkinzCanes** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 9:44 pm

At least two hit the defender right in the numbers. I wouldn't call getting put in against a sorry (statistically) defense being thrown to the wolves necessarily

Clearly the Bengals don't have a great defense but Ramsey was inserted into a very tough situation. The Skins were down 17-0 and so the Bengals knew that they were going to have to throw the ball and adjusted their defense accordingly. That's a very tough situation for a qb to be in, especially a backup who only gets about 10% of the snaps with the first team in practice during the week. Ramsey defiantly looked rusty when he first came in but he started to settle down as the game wore on. I think that he was 6-8 for 66 yards and a td on that one scoring drive and at least we were able to get the ball downfield with some efficiency. Anyway, Ramsey clearly gives us a better chance of winning so hopefully Gibbs will keep him in the lineup for the rest of the year.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:03 pm

ramsey proved the 2 things we have been saying all along (at least, those of us who aren't colossal morons, like some of the posters on this board who have been defending brunell):

1) he should have been the QB all season
2) he still needs a lot of work getting used to this system and back in the groove (which is why he should have been starting from week 1- he would be totally adjusted and playing great by now)

when he first came in he looked pretty shaky but got more comfortable as he went. he threw some pretty bad passes that were or should have been picked off (the last one didn't count though, i agree, it was a hail mary). but also threw some nice strong missles 15-20 yards downfield and kept MOVING THE CHAINS. he brought us to scoring distance on 3 or 4 drives in a row, something brunell has been unable to do.

regarding the play-calling, i agree it was stupid. they thought we were going to run a lot so we tried to trick them, i guess. but that isn't going to work when you have a -pathetic QB (brunell), so it was stupid and stubborn of gibbs to try that strategy if he actually wanted to win.

especially since cincy has about the worst run defense in the league but the #6 pass defense in the AFC. so yes, keep that in mind-- the bengals aren't the greatest but they have a pretty good pass defense so yeah it was a really bad situation for ramsey.

SkinzCanes you are also right to point out that ramsey had no preperation with the 1st team in practice-- not only this week, but all year! imagine if he'd been getting those reps and game experience all year, we'd be easily in control of an NFC wildcard spot.

jditty47 · Post by **jditty47** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:03 pm

that was vs prevent defense. if we woulda stayed in our normal set ramsey would never ahve gotten going. hes turnover prone. I hope he does well for u guys but i just dont see it. Ur qb situation needs to be changed in the offseason.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:08 pm

let's be realistic, jditty. you won because of one reason, one man- mark brunell. if ramsey had been in the whole game, you would have lost (he only needed another minute or two to tie it, and that was without playing the first 2 mins or so).

and that would have been with ramsey getting no 1st team/starting work all season. if he'd been our #1 QB all year, he would have shredded you to pieces.

jditty47 · Post by **jditty47** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:20 pm

right, he had 2 picks when our D wasnt in prevent but i wont argue.

welch · Post by **welch** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:52 pm

Ramsey proved the 2 things we have been saying all along (at least, those of us who aren't colossal morons, like some of the posters on this board who have been defending brunell):

No one on this board is a colossal moron.

Ramsey got sharper as the game went into the 4th quarter. He seemed rusty at first. The statistics don't show much. I listened to the Cincy radio broadcast, whose announcers kept mentioning passes that the Bengals should have intercepted. One of the announcers has a really dopey habit of yelling "pick-it!", like a baseball announcer's home-run call, every time he thinks a defender should have made an interception. There were many.

However, Ramsey seemed to pull together for two drives. He seemed to improve, and he certainly deserves to practice as number 1 and start.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:16 pm

jditty47 wrote:right, he had 2 picks when our D wasnt in prevent but i wont argue.

No, he had one pick that counted, and one for the hail marry.

Secondly, you never went into a "prevent defense" that I saw, but you did have a couple defenders not finish some plays.

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 11:59 pm

No one on this board is a colossal moron

hahah. umm, yeah. ok. that's very sweet.

anyways,
a) ramsey has gotten virtually no first-team practice the whole season, and almost no game experience. pretty tough when you're learning a new offensive system.

b) ramsey came in 17 points behind. you simply have to force some throws in that circumstance. that would not have been the case if he'd started the whole game.

i would also like to point out that cincy didn't score again once ramsey came into the game. perhaps the defense actually felt like it was worth the effort? and please don't tell me "cincy was going conservative to protect the lead/grind out the clock" because they were still throwing deep passes and being pretty aggressive.

i feel like our players (and fans!) have a great deal of hope going into next week, though somewhat tainted by wondering what could have been if ramsey had been QB all along...

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:50 am

i think he played well being put in a 17-0 hole i mean come on !!! i give him

hey this is what EVERYONE wanted so here we go !!!!!
i for one hope we NEVER is BRUNELL in a redskin uniform again !!!!
after a week with the starters he should look a lot more comfortable calling the shots.

GO RAMSEY !!!!!!!! :wink:

ramseychick · Post by **ramseychick** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:48 pm

From my opinion, and yes I a new here I thought ramsey did well enough
to give him the starting position next week. He may not have thrilled everyone this week, but like a lot of you said he was
put in a very difficult situation to begin with.

wonker · Post by **wonker** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:13 pm

I'm not sold on Ramsey. He doesn't have that magical aura of being able to make a special or timely play.

I know it's early, but right now he's just a GOOD QB.

I actually would love to see more of Hassleback, he's grittier to me.

HTTR

Wonker

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:34 pm

Well to answer the Brunell question, 1-8 for 6 yards and several wide open misses, the last coming on 4th and 3, coles wide open, directly in front of Brunell only 8 yards away and Brunell missed him by 3 yards.

Ramsey did OK, as I stated in another thread, there was a visible difference in the velocity of the throws coming from Ramsey as compared to Brunell's throws. The same thing happened in 2002 when Ramsey came in for Wuerfful. There is an adjustment period when you are talking about timing between a QB and receiving corps that hasn't had much time working together since preseason.

Number 3 has been well-covered. No need to repeat previous answers.

HitDoctor · Post by **HitDoctor** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:01 pm

Skinsfan55 wrote:Hopefully we'll see ole cannonarm (Ramsey) starting next week too... if we win every game from here on out can we still make the playoffs?

You have GOT to be kidding me!! Do you know where this team is going the next two weeks??? In the mouth of the "farging" dragon!! I LOVE THE REDSKINS so much that Me and my Father did not leave the game yesterday. The skins will lose the next two weeks and it is OK!! Gibbs lost the season after week two when he needed to go to Ramsey for week three and beyond (43million reasons why he didn't, of course). It is, what it is. Philly and Pittsburgh are on a different level. A way different level. They are coached up and geeked up and will not have a let down against us.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 2:18 pm

I'm looking for the respectability that Gibbs has been systematically restoring to the franchise to rear it's head on the offensive side of the ball in the next two weeks. Even if that doesn't mean a win.

Scottskins · Post by **Scottskins** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:58 pm

we've got a much better chance than you think in those games HitDoctor. Philly aint on a different level. They have a really easy schedule is all. With Ramsey playing, I feel we have a good shot if he slows down. With our defense, CP running, and now a decent guy throwing the ball, we got a shot. Not saying we will win, but we can. That's for sure.

Pittsburg is a whole different beast. Basicallly, we gotta swarm Big Ben. He is a rookie afterall. If we can rattle him, we got a shot. Not sure if he can be rattled at this point though. The kid is playing awesome with huge confidence.

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