QB word problem

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:29 am

remember those word problems back in grade school? here's one for us:

The redskins start with the ball on their 20 and mark brunell as QB, and go INCOMPLETE, 5-yard run, INCOMPLETE for a 3-and-out followed by a punt of 40 yards, returned 5 yards. They are on the field for 2 minutes.

The redskins then bench brunell in favor of ramsey. the redskins get the ball at their 20 and drive to the opponents' 12 yard-line, where ramsey is intercepted in the endzone for a touchback. the drive takes up 7 minutes.

Q1: which has a greater net result in field position?
Q2: which has a greater result in time of posession?

A1: The ramsey drive gives the opponent the ball at their 20, compared to the brunell drive in which they get it at their 40. the ramsey drive thus gives us 20 extra yards in field position.

A2: The ramsey drive nets a gain of 5 minutes in time of posession over the brunell drive. in this 5 extra minutes our stellar D sits resting on the sideline.

clearly the ramsey scenario is superior in every regard, even those non-quantifiable aspects like "morale". the team will be excited to be moving the ball, at least having a CHANCE at scoring offensively. additionally, at least 1/3 if not 1/2 (and this is being insanely pessimistic) of ramsey's tosses down in the redzone will actually go for TDs or just plain INCOMPLETE instead of INTs. not to mention that we could just run it in or kick a field goal, which would be enough to win games for us if we could get FGs consistently.

so i say, bring on the INTs! they will be accompanied by 250-350 yard passing games and many TDs, and a whole lotta gobbled up clock.

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:01 am

I agree with you compeletly. I want Ramsey in because I feel he can't be any worse. We lose with Brunnell so whats the difference if we lose with Ramsey, like you said at least with him, there is a chance that we could move it more than 5 yards each throw and if he gets intercepted who cares.

Our defense is soooooooooooooo awesome right now that if we could at least get 1 field goal a game we would have won almost all of the games so far. The sad thing is that next year our offense might click but then our defense could suck if Greg Williams leaves.

Plus with the year Springs/Griffin/Salavea are having I think this is a golden opportunity to take adavantage which we are not.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:40 am

Greg Williams isn't going to leave, he sucked as a head coach!

35yrskinsfan · Post by **35yrskinsfan** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:05 am

That's probably the second stupidest post I've ever read.

What if Portis ran 4 times reacing the the 50 yard line where Brunell then threw 3 incomplete passes, we punt the ball and down it on the 2 yard line.

Ramsey comes out and throws an INT on his first pass and fives the ball to the other team on OUR 35 yard line.

WHICH IS BETTER THEN?

redskins56 · Post by **redskins56** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:15 am

I'm tired of people saying that Ramsey throws all of these interceptions because of one game in the big apple. The Skins threw it on every down but 2 that half, the complete opposite of this past week when they ran it on every down but 2 in the 2nd half. (Who does Gibbs trust more?) We were only down by a TD for about a auarter and a half, so I don't want to hear that we had to.

He thew 14 td's compared to 9 picks last season, and after reviewing them, three of the interceptions were on tipped, or batted balls. 6 were poorly thrown, but from a guy in his first season as a full time starter, that should be expected. His QB rating was 76, which makes Brunell's this season look abismal. 9 interceptions in 337 pass attempts isn't really that bad, in fact most NFL QB's wouldn't mind that total.

If Ramsey comes in and throws the checkdowns and short to intermediate passes Brunell's been missing, I wouldn't expect him to be erratic. He normally throws deep and stretches the field, something Brunell hasn't done all season. In 18 attempts, Ramsey completed a 51 yard bomb-- all of which in the air mind you to a laying out Rod Gardner. Brunell's longest ball in 229 passes has been a 47 catch and run to Laveranues, which went about 25 in the air.

I don't see how Ramsey developed this reputation for being a bad decision maker. Even now, he has only played 16 NFL games, that's it. Entering last seaosn it was 5, and not one of those behind a remotely adequate blocking shcememe. The only thing I can attribute his poor reputation to is the game in New York, when oh by the way, we came back and cut it to a one possession game before losing.

SkinsBigtime · Post by **SkinsBigtime** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:17 am

Do you guys remember the Dallas game? Brunell threw something like 325 yards or something? I think the Gibbs relies heavily on Portis and ball control. Brunell isn't very accurate at all, but he just needs to be effecient. Brunell rarely throws picks, and that is a great aspect of awareness on the field. I kinda wish Gibbs would play Ramsey SOLEY due to the fact that we could get off of that topic and stop bashing Gibbs.

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:22 am

SkinsBigtime wrote: I kinda wish Gibbs would play Ramsey SOLEY due to the fact that we could get off of that topic and stop bashing Gibbs.

i agree but the problem i think we all have is that there is NO DEEP BALL in our offense and his completion rate is REALLY BAD. :shock:

35yrskinsfan · Post by **35yrskinsfan** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:27 am

[quote="redskins56"]I'm tired of people saying that Ramsey throws all of these interceptions because of one game in the big apple. quote]

I'm not saying that.
I'm just pointing out that the original posts scenario is ludicrus. Who the heck knows what would happen. Ramsey could be sacked and fumble the ball. He could throw a TD.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:23 pm

DCD, very well thought out... I agree that, with Ramsey, we'd have to learn to live with the highs and lows, but the end result would be greater... 35yrskinfan, this is just a hypothetical scenaro used to portray what we have come see (on the average), based on Brunell's and Ramsey's performances to date...

die cowboys die · Post by **die cowboys die** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:46 pm

thank you USASkinFan! of course there are many other possible scenarios, but i see these two as being more typical of the QBs (in terms of what their problems are).

redskins56, i also don't understand where ramsey got the rep for throwing so many INTs and making bad decisions. you are so right to point out that his picks against NY came when we were throwing almost every down, and he was under pressure to come in and win the game for us, since BRUNELL had gotten us behind. we should also remember that he was not prepped as the starter for that game, and the starter gets all the 1st-team snaps in practice, right? all of these factors indicate that it's not reasonable/fair to assess ramsey based on his performance in this game. in fact i was quite impressed with how he sustained drives and made throws despite the situation he was put in.despite the INTs i thought he made it clear right then in week 2 that he should be the starter.

USAFSkinFan · Post by **USAFSkinFan** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:32 pm

I think we can all agree that Brunell isn't the QB of the future... now we have to find out if Ramsey is... we can't afford to find out next year that he's not... we need to find out now... I'm afraid if we wait until we're eliminated to make the switch, it won't be a fair analysis (good or bad) of Ramsey (ie. playing other players around him that need to be evaluated for next year, playing teams that are either out of it or resting banged up players for the playoffs, etc...) We don't even know if Ramsey can work with Joe or visa versa in a continuous game situation... we've got to answer these questions sooner than "too" later...

dnpmakkah · Post by **dnpmakkah** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:24 pm

I love topics like this, it gets the board more active and I hope we continue to have more like these....not neccessarly all about Brunnell/Ramsey but just in general.

I tend to get more interested in topics that require back/forth replies from everyone like those in this topic then most....so I diffentely wouldn't say this was a stupid post.