Well - we have heard...

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 1:58 am

From several experts

DL
TE
RB

Sounds about like what we have been saying on here... anyone have personal faves from colleges that they are near or that they have seen? I know KJ from Tech is good, but I don't suspect that Gibbs will want a smaller fast back. I bet he will go for a larger back like a Martin or George who can get 3.5 yards per carry or better like Riggo.

He might surprise me and go for Dillon, but I dunno about that.

I still argue vehemently against Sapp. Too much money - not enough motor left for the length of contract that his money will warrant having to sign him to. It will hurt us long term.

Anyone besides me think that the Skins will trade down to stay in the top 20 and pick up 2 picks for doing so? I think we can still get a top 5 DL in the top 15-20 picks whether end or tackle - though end is shallower. I think end can be addressed in FA with Abraham and/or Kearse. That makes me salivate.... Abraham on the right, Kearse on the left, Gardener at right DT... any nominations for left DT? Who in the hell would you double team on THAT line? Bring Lavar or Trotter on a blitz and watch the corpses mount up.

That leaves us with RB - Duce? George? Martin? Dillon.... I dunno - maybe a utility back out of a later round that has size and speed and is a little unproven.

That fat puke lover from ESPN had one thing wrong... the line of Samuels, Dockery, Friedman, Thomas and Jansen definitely solidified in the second half as they learned each other. It was the second most improved part of the team next to the special teams.

Maybe we keep the fifth spot and go with Winslow, but he has an attitude that his Dad didn't, and Miami has only made that worse.

Whatcha think brother and sister Hogs?

Jake · Post by **Jake** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:45 am

I think we should sign DE Adewale Ogunleye from the Dolphins or Abraham. Boss told me in an e-mail that Gardener might not leave Denver. He mentioned the big cap number involved with cutting him in June. Sapp? NO WAY! The team might also look at DE Darren Howard. That copuld be a valuable and subtle signing that could pay off for us in the end. I heard Boo Williams is available. My opinion... SIGN 'EM UP! Then, to finish it off, draft Kevin Jones! Man, I can't wait.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 7:14 am

Depending what we do in the FA market will determine the route we take in the draft...would not be surprised at all to see Gibbs trade down for more picks. I don't see him going after big name guys that will cost lot's of$$$ That's Synder MO. Gibb's MO is getting the most out of average players, case and point not many of his former Skins are in the Hall of Fame, but toghther they were a hall of fame team. N.E is the one team doing it now.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 10:55 am

you know, i was stressing the draft and what "stupid" things might happen. but, now what ever happens, i know it will be in the best interest of our team, i'm not even worried anymore. hail joe

Justice Hog · Post by **Justice Hog** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:04 am

If we can get help on the DL in free agency, I say get that stud TE Winslow from Miami in the draft. I'd love to see him play "GIBBS" football!

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:37 am

Just a couple of things...

Firstly, to Jake, while the Broncos won't cut Gardener outright, they have been building a case against him for conduct detrimental to the team since he went ballistic at the IHOP. There is a good behaviour clause in his contract, that experts say is the reason the Broncos have been meticulously logging DG's problems this year. If they succeed, they would probably be able to let him go without cap catastrophe and it would be a possibility. Just wanted to clarify that for you Jake.

I would rather see us drop just 3-5 spots in the draft if we're going to deal and take whatever the bonus pick is -- which could be considerably high for how little we might move. We would still have a shot at a top DE or DT for sure, the cost of the contract would be lower, and we'd add another valuable decent pick.

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 11:41 am

I would rather see us drop just 3-5 spots in the draft if we're going to deal and take whatever the bonus pick is -- which could be considerably high for how little we might move. We would still have a shot at a top DE or DT for sure, the cost of the contract would be lower, and we'd add another valuable decent pick.

i think with joes history, that will probably happen. two years ago we did the trade down and landed Ramsey. the extra pick would be nice.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 2:25 pm

I think we could see them trade down 2-3 times depending on what player they have targeted.

I can envision us picking up 2-3 more draft picks. That is the type of moves I look forward to.

If we have say, the 20th-25th pick, we can still get a great tackle and on top of that have 2-3 more picks and the 5th choice in the second round.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:56 pm

I heard that there were a 300 pound TE in the Draft this year.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 4:59 pm

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:11 pm

I dont know what team he is from but the football gurus at work were trying to think of his name.

They said he played in one of the bowl games. One guy said he had soft hands and all agreed that he would not last long because you have to go after his knees to bring him down.

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:24 pm

Probably will be converted to a lineman or used as a blocking tight end in the NFL

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Thu Jan 08, 2004 5:25 pm

That would be great for King Gibbs

Warmother · Post by **Warmother** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:51 am

I would love for the Skin's to sign Adalius Thomas from the Ravens. He made the Pro Bowl this year as a special teamer. The Ravens played him at LB but he was a DE earlier in his career. He is also an unrestricted FA who would probably cost less than Abraham or Ogunleye.
I would also like to trade down for more picks. There will be quality DT available and maybe we could get a TE and Safety with extra picks.

Warmother · Post by **Warmother** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:08 am

Oh by the way I just recently found this site and I love it. I've been a Skin's fan since my Dad said I was in 1972.

toddlerdurden · Post by **toddlerdurden** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 12:59 pm

I was getting hammered for this in another thread, but I want to just say that if we're really unable to trade the #5 for anything desirable that I hope the 'Skins go for Sean Taylor, S, Miami.

He's coming out as a junior and he's probably the most gifted defender on the board so far. There really is no one great RB on the board that reminds me of a Gibbs-back and I don't think there is a Defensive Lineman on the board that deserves to go at #5. So, if we still find ourselves there, I'd take Taylor. He'd be an upgrade over a less talented and mistake-prone Ohalete. He's also so speedy, you can move him into the slots on nickel and dime situations...he just makes things more flexible.

If the secondary is completely solidified, then Gregg Williams can concentrate on blitzing and supporting the D-Line, which will probably be improved, but not altogether ready to go on a Championship-run just yet.

I just think he'd be the most talented defender available and like Coach Gibbs said yesterday, it'll be the defense that leads the 'Skins back to a championship.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 1:08 pm

Sean Taylor is good, may be that best athlete in the draft?? A lot of people here love him. I don't think they disagree with you judgement on that, just that S it not the most critcal need on this team. Hey if the D-Line is addressed, (before the draft) then Taylor looks like a great pick

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 2:39 pm

Hey if the D-Line is addressed, (before the draft) then Taylor looks like a great pick

Lot of $$$. if we luck out in free agency, we'd be better off to trade down, and pick up as many quality players that we can. just because a player isn't a first round prospect, dosen't mean they won't be any good, or turn out to be an impact player. the fifth pick is a good spot for a team like NE that is eyeing jones(VT RB) to trade up to. they got the ravens pick and whatever pick they end up with. and if we franchise camp and somehow manage to get a 1st for him, that could be three. :shock:

while taylor is a great player, and you'd here no complaint from me if he landed on the roster, i'd personally rather try to trade down.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 7:56 pm

I had somehow in my busy-ness neglected this thread, so i apologize. Couple of things:

1) I love Sean Taylor and it would be nice if we have shored up the defensive line enough by then to have the courage to take him at #5 because I personally think he's the biggest 'stud' of the draft. Any player that is not a stud is not much of a guarantee.

2) We have to aready have at least one quality DT and DE free agent to even think about doing it.

3) There aren't a lot of FAs that are great, at DE, you have Kearse, Grant Wistrom, Darren Howard, Ogunleye (jake's pick) but kearse will be expensive. At DT you have Sapp, Cornelius Griffin, Gary Walker, maybe Gregg of the Ravens worth grabbing, but after that someone like Russell is gonna be right up there with. One decent fill at DT might be Texan and former Redskin Jerry De Loach who'll be a FA this year but I don't know how bad Houston wants to keep him.

4) The shallow ppol of FA linemen probably means that d-line will still be a priority, and I think if that's the case we have to trade down.

5) But I don't want to trade down, down... I just wanna move a few spots. Someone will be itching at 6,7,8 or 9 and if we can strategically move down even one spot or two spots and get something good extra like a second round pick, that's what I'd love to do. Much lower cap number for 6-10 than 5, and we would presumably end up with something like the 5th and 6th picks of the second round.

6) I can't see Champ not being franchised at this point and if that happens then there's a good chance that he will turn into a first round draft pick. Then we need secondary help and we're back to liking Taylor again because we will have another 1st round pick to play with.

I really did all of this just to show that there are so many things that can go on between now and then that it is almost futile to speculate.

But dang... ain't it fun doing it, and more importantly, ain't it fun, it being fun again???

The draft section is coming soon... that will help you follow along !!!!!!

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Fri Jan 09, 2004 8:02 pm

welcome Warmother!

HTTR

and Saint Gibbs!

skinsfaninroanoke · Post by **skinsfaninroanoke** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:11 am

Boss - what if NE wins the SB like most are prediciting and they have the 32nd pick and the Ravens first being, what the 15th or so? Wouldn't it be nice to trade down for those two, get another for Champ and turn one or two of those into 4-5 picks for Gibbs to fill more holes with? That or trading down a couple of times to pick up 2-3 more picks?

I think we need studs, but I think we can get enough studs at 15-20 and with the 5th in the 2nd round to start plugging holes on the DL along with the FA moves that the press are already reporting we are getting ready to make. In fact - there have been leaks to the Post stating that the Skins are "gearing up for major FA moves".

Man - this gives me goosebumps.

BossHog · Post by **BossHog** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:59 am

Yeah but studs don't come at 20-32.

We can't fill holes with guys not good enough to make the roster.

If we have an extra 1st round pick for Bailey, it won't be extra because we'll be without a cornerback and while there are tons of FA CBs of good quality... there won't be many left come draft day. If we move things really quickly, then we might be able to franchise him, get compensation from somebody, and still sign a DB like Chris McAllister or Bobby Taylor and just have the extra 1st rounder.... but that's a big if.

If you could make ALL of that happen and add Grant Wistrom too (cheaper than Kearse), well you'd be going into the draft needing a DT a S, a RB and a TE.

In a perfect world they also find a way to lower Dillon's cap number and sew his lips shut.

:-)

I think Taylor would look awesome in the B&G and would make up for any drop off in talent between Bailey and whoever takes over.

I think that any later first round pick from the Champ deal would get you a top 3-5 DT to hopefully slot in.

We would still have the #37 pick and there will be lots of good players left including a good TE. Troupe and Winslow may go first round, but TEs tend to fall down the board on draft day.

davef · Post by **davef** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 4:10 am

Hi all, my first post out here in San Diego!

I think you trade the pick down a few spots and pick up a couple of extra draft choices...we have lost some in trading for some lousy DT's during 2003, correct?

D-Line is their biggest need to me, any names out there?

Texas Hog · Post by **Texas Hog** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:31 pm

welcome davef

curveball · Post by **curveball** » Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:26 pm

The 300 lb TE actually is listed at 320, He's from Arkansas and just declared.