Does anyone understand....

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:15 am

...how two men (or four, if you prefer) can go at each other and say nasty things about one another for months, even lie about that person.....and then, after it's all over, say that the other is 'gracious' and wish him the best?!? it seems odd to me. anyone else?

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:31 am

That's politics for you!

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:32 am

so weird.....

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:39 am

Well, clearly they both care for this country, or they wouldn't go through what one goes through in a campaign. And, for the country's sake, we need to move forward and try to at least get the things we CAN agree on done.

Oh, and it's all BS. lol

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:53 am

Unfortunately, that's how politics work these days. It less about policy and more about who can dig up the most damaging information about the other, and now with all these 527s out there that don't have to follow fund-raising restrictions things have gotten even worse.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:12 pm

As "Bonesmen" they have sworn an oath to each other (and other members) that nothing can break, not even campaign propaganda. That's why it's easy to "make up".

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:35 pm

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:As "Bonesmen" they have sworn an oath to each other (and other members) that nothing can break, not even campaign propaganda. That's why it's easy to "make up".

I don't follow. Can you explain?

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:39 pm

I think he is referring to a secret society of Ivy Leaguers that the majority of the nations presidents have belonged too. I know Bush is one, and I assume from Redeemed's post that Kerry was one as well.

http://www.secretsofthetomb.com/book.asp

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:45 pm

JansenFan wrote:I think he is referring to a secret society of Ivy Leaguers that the majority of the nations presidents have belonged too. I know Bush is one, and I assume from Redeemed's post that Kerry was one as well.

http://www.secretsofthetomb.com/book.asp

Hmm, I see.

Still, that does nothing to explain the fact that these are the same kinds of things you hear after most elections, from both sides.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:01 pm

Still, that does nothing to explain the fact that these are the same kinds of things you hear after most elections, from both sides.

Allow me to illustrate how something like this is possible, using my thehogs.net experience...

In the past, BringThePain! and I held long-winding disputes over my opinion of Lavar Arrington, and other issues. We were at odds over these things and created long threads in the Smack Talking forum, which gave to others the impression that he and I hated each other.

In between our public displays of displeasure for our beliefs, I would often PM him to see how he was doing, find out more about him, and see how his business was going, etc. So, in secret, he and I developed a relationship that was somewhat amicable. Unless he made a comment that was inflammatory toward me, I would not "hate" on him, and he'd extend the same courtesy to me.

One time, I was involved in one of the most heated Smack Threads with a few other members of this thread, and "my bitter rival" (or so he was believed to be) was privately recruited to bash me. He replied that he was not the official "Redeemedskin Basher" and would not jump into that fray, something that caught most by surprise.

While he acknowledged our past disagreements and verbal spats he said he held no ill will toward me. He was able to rise above the fray and look beyond our publicly "tumultuous" past.

Similarly, the secret oath between Bush and Kerry (who by the way are distant cousins) goes beyond the public campaigns they held against one another, which allows them, in the end to say "you're gracious" because of their non-public/occult relationship. The power of these secret oaths allow for Bush to call Kerry a flip-flopper and for Kerry to call Bush incompetent all they want without remorse, because they have a bond that runs deeper than the depths to which "mean" words can cut.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:12 pm

Redeemed,
I knew the bit of trivia about Bush and Kerry being distant cousins, 9th cousins I believe.

I understand how two people can be in a heated battle of words and then "make up" and move on.

What I called into question was saying that it was due to a secret oath.

I questioned that hyposthesis by pointing out that the same occurs even when there is no oath in place.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:25 pm

Then would you believe their "make up" session was a precursor to the ushering in of the "New World Order"?

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:35 pm

speaking of well-wishing, it appears as if elizabeth edwards (john edward's wife) has been diagnosed with breast cancer.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/309/pol ... dia:.shtml

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:03 pm

Oy, that must be hard on the Edwards family. I pray for a speedy recovery, if not complete healing, of Mrs. Edwards. Best wishes.

JPFair · Post by **JPFair** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:04 pm

Even though Bush and Kerry were civil towards each other and had kind words about the other in the end, I can assure you that behind closed doors and in the presence of members of their respective inner sanctums, they speak with a lot less diplomacy about the other and in all likelihood use quite a few expletives and adejectives to describe the other.

REDEEMEDSKIN · Post by **REDEEMEDSKIN** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:09 pm

Let's not leave out the fact that they might SHARE THE SAME "INNER SANCTUMS"....eh?

joebagadonuts · Post by **joebagadonuts** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:31 pm

JPFair wrote:Even though Bush and Kerry were civil towards each other and had kind words about the other in the end, I can assure you that behind closed doors and in the presence of members of their respective inner sanctums, they speak with a lot less diplomacy about the other and in all likelihood use quite a few expletives and adejectives to describe the other.

yeah, but why not just say those words in public (expletives censored, of course)? will they be saying anything worse than what they've said already? would anyone really be surprised? i understand the future implications; for example if kerry has aspirations to run again in 2008, he wouldn't want to be remembered as a sore loser. but somehow the stuff he said between last fall and november 2 is different than saying that same stuff on november 3.

and i don't buy the whole 'we need to come together' crap that the loser (and winner) say in the aftermath. hearing kerry say that we need to stand behind our president doesn't make me feel any more compelled to do such.