The Fans/Brunell/Gibbs/Defense/Refs my two cents

redskinz4ever · Post by **redskinz4ever** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:06 pm

DEHog wrote:
Why aren't we talking about a lack of a running game. We have the great Clinton Portis who's suppose to get 1500+ yards??

because he is playing better every week ...is he not !!! BRUNELL IS SUCKING BIGTIME !!!!! when we play from behind teams tend to go away from the run so PORTIS is not being used enough .... SO YOU CAN NOT BLAME PORTIS !!! and as long as BRUNELL is our Q.B. we will continue to NOT move the ball and play from behind and continue to lose :cry:

no i'm not EVER giving up on MY TEAM ...BUT FACTS ARE FACTS .... THE TEAM WITH THE MOST POINTS WINS !!!! RIGHT ??

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 7:21 pm

When the crowd started chanting for Ramsey, I got sick to my stomach. I can't stand seeing a QB like Brunell, who has been solid his whole career, get so disrespected

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He'll get over it when he goes to the bank and cashes his million dollar checks.

These are grown men, not your children in a pee-wee league. If M. Brunell cries at night because he got booed then he needs to just quit. These are professionals, do you all cry when your bosses tell you that you need to improve on something?

Brunell had the time to make the passes. The o-line isn't the problem.

Portis has gotten better while the passing game has stayed stagnant.

Dropped passes has declined.

Its funny how a NFL player tells us that they dont respect Brunell and that he's a joke, and you can't believe him. LOL. The man is done. Bench him.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:38 pm

redskinz4ever wrote:
DEHog wrote:
Why aren't we talking about a lack of a running game. We have the great Clinton Portis who's suppose to get 1500+ yards??
because he is playing better every week ...is he not !!! BRUNELL IS SUCKING BIGTIME !!!!! when we play from behind teams tend to go away from the run so PORTIS is not being used enough .... SO YOU CAN NOT BLAME PORTIS !!! and as long as BRUNELL is our Q.B. we will continue to NOT move the ball and play from behind and continue to lose
no i'm not EVER giving up on MY TEAM ...BUT FACTS ARE FACTS .... THE TEAM WITH THE MOST POINTS WINS !!!! RIGHT ??

So your telling me that #1 Portis is playing better evry week?? He's had two 100 yards games and one was not this past week and that all Brunell fault. So as soon as Ramsey get under center Portis will get goig??

I realize Brunell is part of the problem but the whole O is struggling. If Ramsey comes in I'll cheer for him I won't start chanting Hassleback!

hailskins666 · Post by **hailskins666** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 9:54 pm

not saying it is ALL brunell(well, only 99% :lol:

) but if teams feared a pass in the slightest, they wouldn't stack 8 or 9 in the box on EVERY single play. and that would make it a little easier on portis.

but if ramsey is thrown to the wolves, the D's would just blizt every play to take advantage of a still weak o-line, so its a double evil.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:19 pm

So as soon as Ramsey get under center Portis will get goig??

To an extent yes.

We have WR's that can TORCH CB's. Jacobs, Thrash, and Coles can torch a lot of these CB's especially in the slot or 4th WR position.

Ramsey's arms demands respect. IF his brain can possibly meet up with his arm he'll be good.

The respect his arm deserves will be given by the safeties backing up off of the line.

People say the O-line is weak, well....if we take the safeties off of their blocking list it'll help the out a bit. THUS helping Portis, and in return helping Ramsey.

Brunell cannot bring this to the table. He cant throw deep, Darren Sharper said it, why is it so hard to believe?

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:55 am

I do beleive it. What I don't beleive is that Ramsey is the anwser. I still think Ramsey or any other QB is going to need time to throw. We were only puting 2 and 3 receivers in some of the plays Sunday and we still couldn't protect the QB!

Why is it the Baltimore can run when teams stack 8 in the box? Could it be they have a good o'line?

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:21 am

DEHog wrote:Why is it the Baltimore can run when teams stack 8 in the box? Could it be they have a good o'line?

Straight ahead football. No time developing run plays.

Another good question is, why did Trung Canidate average 5.2 yards a carry under Spurriers run schemes and Portis cant get pass 4.0 a crry under this proven system?

Also, Trungs numbers did drop to 4.2 when he came back to early from a high ankle sprain.

Is it the scheme of things??

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 5:44 pm

Why is it the Baltimore can run when teams stack 8 in the box? Could it be they have a good o'line?

Jamal Lewis is the answer. Everyone needs blocking, Im not saying he doesn't. The thing is Jamal Lewis breaks tackles and drags defenders for yards. Portis cannot do that. He isn't big enough, and he isn't strong enough. Its not a knock against him, he just isn't that type of RB. Jamal Lewis is the type of back that I'd kill to have in this system. If Jamal was on our team he'd be the black Riggins.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 6:41 pm

So we got the wrong running back??

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:33 pm

I dont think its the runnning back, I think its something else.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:34 pm

This is what that horrible call did to Brunell's numbers:

These are the numbers because of the penalty.

25/44, 56.82%, 218 Yards, 4.95 YPA, 2 TD's, 2 INT's, 66.29 Rating

These are the real numbers if it wasn't for that horrible call.

26/45, 57.78%, 261 yards, 5.8 YPA, 3 TD's, 1 INT, 87.36 Rating

Champsturf · Post by **Champsturf** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:44 pm

what's your point? Those are GOOD numbers??? I suppose almost completing 58% of one's passes for a whopping 5.8 yards per completion is darn good.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:04 pm

Brandon777 wrote:This is what that horrible call did to Brunell's numbers:

These are the numbers because of the penalty.

25/44, 56.82%, 218 Yards, 4.95 YPA, 2 TD's, 2 INT's, 66.29 Rating

These are the real numbers if it wasn't for that horrible call.

26/45, 57.78%, 261 yards, 5.8 YPA, 3 TD's, 1 INT, 87.36 Rating

So you CAN say it's not Brunell looking at the numbers... but everyone sees the w-l numbers nothing else matters and you blame the leader. I blamed Brunell for the 2-4 record... I blamed him for the interceptions and I blamed him for the lack of a run game........
Joe doesn't blame him for any of it :?:

We all blamed the refs for to losses this year so we should be 4-3 at worst... but that's what is known as spilled milk I'm not gonna cry over it and I'm though blaming Brunell (the number B777 have in his post shows that Mark had a better rating than Mr. QB himself Brett Favre) so it MUST be something else.
The INT's might not have happened if he had more time... :hmm:

maybe it's the O-line or if he had more recievers in patterns :hmm:

but who would then help out the O-line.
Maybe we'd have a better runnig game IF we had a better O-line.
I'm off the "Bash Brunell Bandwagon" or is it the "Bash Boonell Bandwagon" I forget I was only on it for 10 days or so......I'm not starting or on a bash the O-line Wagon
but maybe it is a area that needs some major attention, this year.
It will work itself out in the offseason and next year with the return of Jon Jensen, but I for one think we've waited long enough.
What ever the record the QB will have that to bear (can't help you there Mark)

This may explain why Gibbs backs Brunell the way he does, and keeping Patrick on the bench .... Mark is mobile
Patrick is not

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:40 pm

DEHog wrote:So we got the wrong running back??

Wrong RB? I wouldn't say he's the wrong one. I also wouldn't say he's the best one for this offense. Portis could thrive in this offense but you can't expect him to do the things that Jamal does. You asked how does Baltimore consistently run when stacked up against 8 guys. My answer was Jamal and its the truth. They don't have the best line in the NFL but they surely have one of the hardest RB's to take down. Portis goes down when a strong wind gusts, it takes a hurricane to take Jamal down. Its not a knock on Portis he's just built differently. I believe in this system you need a smash mouth runner, ie. Riggins, not a finese runner like Portis. Portis won't do bad, he'll do well but he just doesn't fit the system IMO. I wish him the best.

Brandon777 · Post by **Brandon777** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:12 am

Champsturf wrote:what's your point? Those are GOOD numbers??? I suppose almost completing 58% of one's passes for a whopping 5.8 yards per completion is darn good.

I think my point is quite clear. They're not Peyton Manning numbers but it should have been good enough to win. The bottom line is that Ramsey isn't the answer. It's so obvious when you listen to Gibbs talk. I really believe Ramsey is out of here next year.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:25 am

Brandon777 wrote:This is what that horrible call did to Brunell's numbers:

These are the numbers because of the penalty.

25/44, 56.82%, 218 Yards, 4.95 YPA, 2 TD's, 2 INT's, 66.29 Rating

These are the real numbers if it wasn't for that horrible call.

26/45, 57.78%, 261 yards, 5.8 YPA, 3 TD's, 1 INT, 87.36 Rating

Nice Post B7...that's really all I'm trying to say. Brunell himself is not the problem. I'll add to your post B7 that if the Portis TD stands and our D holds and we get the W we arn't even talking about all this!

I was one of the one on the record saying I didn't want Portis and that he wouldn't get over 1200 yards here. I wanted Rhoades fron Indy. That being said Portis has shown me a toughness I didn't know he had, he runs hard when he has to and he is a excellent blocker. For his sake I hope the line play improves for him.

JansenFan · Post by **JansenFan** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:19 am

I am a Ramsey guy, not because of Brunell's performance, but just because I like what the kid brings to the team. That being said, lobby for the kid all you want, but don't boo Brunell or chant Ramsey at the game people. Number 1, Coach Gibbs will never make a change simply because the fans are chanting for it and probably is MORE likely to leave him in because of it. Number 2, taking number 1 into account, you are taking the focus off the game for the guy who will not be pulled unless injured and therefore hurting our chances of winning the game.

DEHog · Post by **DEHog** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:14 pm

Well said JF... it's goes back to the point of my original post.