Speaking of dirty players

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:07 am

John Lynch comes to mind. I know we talked about his late hard hit a few weeks ago. So I already didn't like him going into the game. But last night I saw something I didn't understand until it was explained to me (thanks Jansenfan). John Lynch towards the end of the first quarter would jump on an already downed Bengal, holding him down. Trying to delay the line from getting back up and getting back to the line in a timely manner. The refs of course didn't call it. I know I've never seen this in an NFL game before. Is it common and I've just missed it, or is it something only the scum of the NFL try?

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:46 am

I my self hate that when a player holds you down and doesn't allow you to get back to the
line and possible get one more play off

especially when the game is on the line once you tackle a player you should be made to get
off so they can get back to the line

if players insist on doing that then flag them 5 yards and give back the time lost

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:47 am

But IMO that doesn't make them dirty players

Scooter · Post by **Scooter** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:50 am

George Foster is at the top of my list - he broke that kids ankle - from behind, 10 yards from the play. Pure Cheapshot.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:56 am

Hell the hit Arrington layed on Aikman after the ball was gone is a cheap shot in my book

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:01 am

TexasCowboy wrote:Hell the hit Arrington layed on Aikman after the ball was gone is a cheap shot in my book

Aikman hasn't ever called it a cheap shot...

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:02 am

Aikman doesn't remember what happend the day before any more

SkinsBigtime · Post by **SkinsBigtime** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:28 am

Mark Carrier was a pretty big hitter back in the day. I'm sure a weekly helmet-to-helmet fine was a normal occurrence.

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:01 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:Aikman doesn't remember what happend the day before any more

Every hit that results in a concusion is a dirty hit now?

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:12 pm

only when the ball is clearly gone and the defensive player still intentionaly hits
the qb

I am sure Aikman would have loved the new protection of the QB rule that is in place

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 2:44 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:only when the ball is clearly gone and the defensive player still intentionaly hits
the qb

I am sure Aikman would have loved the new protection of the QB rule that is in place

Get off it already, ok?

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 3:03 pm

Get off what? it is the truth Aikman would love to have the same rules that protect QB's
today

these late hits are killing quaterbacks

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:51 pm

I told yall their line is dirty. I saw Denvers line falling and rolling all night long.

John Madden spent like 15 minutes talking about and did not want to let it go. It bothers alot of people and the league should do something about it.

...Or maybe teams should gun for their players and give them a tatse of their own feces :twisted:

Oh yeah and John Lynch does come into hits late and hard. He is a borderline bum for doing it. :roll:

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 5:56 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:Get off what? it is the truth Aikman would love to have the same rules that protect QB's
today

these late hits are killing quaterbacks

Well if the rules were diffrent then, how is that dirty? :thump:

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:47 pm

That's just it the rules were not differnt then

NikiH · Post by **NikiH** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:51 pm

RC thanks for getting my back. I wasn't saying he was dirty for the hitting or the holding the player down on its own. It's a combination of those things. And the blatent use of those things.

As far as Lavar goes, it is so funny to me how the Cowboys fans constantly say Lavar has nothing and then bring this "hard" hit up like it was something horrible he did. Make up your damn mind would you.

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:19 pm

TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then

OK you have legally confused me. :shock:

redskincity · Post by **redskincity** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:33 pm

NikiH wrote:RC thanks for getting my back. I wasn't saying he was dirty for the hitting or the holding the player down on its own. It's a combination of those things. And the blatent use of those things.

As far as Lavar goes, it is so funny to me how the Cowboys fans constantly say Lavar has nothing and then bring this "hard" hit up like it was something horrible he did. Make up your damn mind would you.

No problem.

Lynch is very intense and I have seen him do dirty stuff over the years. The most recent was the preseason game, when he came in late and hit CP in the head while he was already tackled and down.

As far as Lavar and Cowboy fans go, If I was to write a book I would be titled, "Contradictive behaviors, thy should not lie."

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 8:35 pm

There were a couple plays in that game where Lynch seemed to be guilty of "piling on" after the play was dead, though they never called it. Come to think of that, when is the last time you can think of that penalty being called?

tcwest10 · Post by **tcwest10** » Tue Oct 26, 2004 9:43 pm

You have to love Romo for dirtiest player in the past ten years.
That guy is a complete headcase.
Corey Fuller, Hardy Nickerson, Kevin Gogan, Jerome Woods, Erik Williams, Steve Wisniewski...
Welch would probably bring up John Sample's name, although his worst offenses came as a Colt.
All time ?
Dobler or Tatum. Take your pick. Dirtiest bastards ever.
The game would not be the same without 'em.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 6:07 am

redskincity wrote:
TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then

OK you have legally confused me.

The NFL when Aikman played didn't crack down on the hits on quaterbacks

the rules today are alot tougher then when Aikman played

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:02 am

TexasCowboy wrote:
redskincity wrote:
TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then

OK you have legally confused me.

The NFL when Aikman played didn't crack down on the hits on quaterbacks

the rules today are alot tougher then when Aikman played

The confusion comes from the disidence between you said the rules were the same, and when you said the rules were different.

TexasCowboy · Post by **TexasCowboy** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 8:59 am

I never said the rules were the same I said they were not the same

cvillehog · Post by **cvillehog** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:02 am

TexasCowboy wrote:I never said the rules were the same I said they were not the same

Um...

See this in your post above?

TexasCowboy wrote:That's just it the rules were not differnt then

welch · Post by **welch** » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:28 pm

Tatum. For career consistency.

And (?) Blount, from the Steelers, who broke Daryl Stingley's neck.

Wow, I thought Johnny Sample had faded into oblivion!

Then there was Chuck Bednarik's hit on Frank Gifford, Bednarik standing over Gifford as if in pride, Gifford hurt so badly that he was almost paralyzed.

Tataum and Blount were lucky that the NFL outlawed the crackback block, because Charlie Taylor used hat block to punish guys like them.